Three Granger trade ideas

8305 · Post #1 » by **8305** » Sun Jan 9, 2011 4:08 pm

All these trades work off the idea of filling the power forward position with a player near Granger's equal. I throw Hansbrough in because he can still be sold as potential replacement or rotational contributor that makes moving a good 4 a little more palitable. I don't think any of these ideas is some kind of Pacers make out like bandits pipe dream. Apologies if someone thinks this should go in the permanent trades thread.

Indiana Pacers trade Danny Granger and Tyler Hansbrough
Minnesota Timberwolves trade Kevin Love and Cory Brewer

I keep reading things that might indicate Love not being happy in Minnesota. I also think Beasley might be better if the majority of his minutes came at the 4. Imagine Rubio with the likes of Beasley, Granger and Wesley Johnson to pass to in transition.

Indiana Pacers trade Danny Granger, Tyler Hansbrough and Jeff Foster
Atlanta Hawks trade Josh Smith, Jamal Crawford

Atlanta can now move Al Horford tothe 4 full time. Granger and Johnson might be a really deadly wing combination and Foster and ZaZa can handle the 5 by committee.

Indiana Pacers trade Danny Granger, Tyler Hansbrough, Darren Collison, 2011 first round pick
Golden State Warriors trade David Lee and Stephen Curry

Warriors get able replacements for Lee and Curry while also getting a dynamic player at the wing. Ellis and Granger could be pretty dynamic scoring combination.

Indy2thaWindy · Post #2 » by **Indy2thaWindy** » Sun Jan 9, 2011 6:18 pm

The only one I would think about accepting is the Atlanta deal. Even then, why bring in Josh Smith if Granger isn't gonna be here? We should get somebody younger.

Wizop · Post #3 » by **Wizop** » Sun Jan 9, 2011 6:49 pm

I can't think of any Granger trades I'd like that didn't include a recent first rounder and a first round pick or two first round picks. I can't see how we'd get all that better with a pure player swap. if Tyler can play like a lottery pick and he sure did Friday, what's the position of need? Hibbert is the center. DC's the point guard. Rush, George and Granger are a fine threesome on the wing.

Indy2thaWindy · Post #4 » by **Indy2thaWindy** » Sun Jan 9, 2011 6:52 pm

Wizop wrote:I can't think of any Granger trades I'd like that didn't include a recent first rounder and a first round pick or two first round picks. I can't see how we'd get all that better with a pure player swap. if Tyler can play like a lottery pick and he sure did Friday, what's the position of need? Hibbert is the center. DC's the point guard. Rush, George and Granger are a fine threesome on the wing.

Power Forward. Hansbrough is nice, but he needs to come off the bench. Not right now tho. He's proven that he's the best 4 on the roster.

Reginald Wayne · Post #5 » by **Reginald Wayne** » Sun Jan 9, 2011 8:31 pm

Wizop wrote:I can't think of any Granger trades I'd like that didn't include a recent first rounder and a first round pick or two first round picks. I can't see how we'd get all that better with a pure player swap. if Tyler can play like a lottery pick and he sure did Friday, what's the position of need? Hibbert is the center. DC's the point guard. Rush, George and Granger are a fine threesome on the wing.

Hibbert isn't very good. DC is ineffective with JOB here, and that threesome on the wing is not fine. We need all positions!

Fo-Real · Post #6 » by **Fo-Real** » Sun Jan 9, 2011 10:54 pm

Suns fan here.... not trying to troll or argue or anything silly like that, just didnt have any idea that Granger would ever be even thought of as a possible trade. Other than Nash or Gortat, is there anything on Phx. that could get it done. We have VC's 17 mil expiring, Pietrus is essentially an expiring, Lopez, 2 first rounders, a 5.7 million dollar TPE, is there anything??? Hell, even Dragic.

Indy2thaWindy · Post #7 » by **Indy2thaWindy** » Sun Jan 9, 2011 11:30 pm

Check this out

http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=1082139

You know it's good when you get this on the 1st Page.

bdgking wrote:I know what top 5 & top 5 protected means however like I said Casspi & trading a 1st for GANGER is not exceptable ! Trading CASSPI & a 1st better net you guys like CP3 , D.WILLISAMS , D.HOWARD etc. though we would have to trade even more for them !
As I mentioned CASSPI'S career could easily end up being better than GRANGER'S alone .
I am definatly not opposed to get GRANGER even using part of our cap next year to do it .

lakerhater · Post #8 » by **lakerhater** » Mon Jan 10, 2011 12:38 am

The GSW trade doesn't fit Larry Riley's recent statements about the direction he's looking to take the W's and Indy can do better then what the W's seem to be willing to part with if the Pacers decide to deal Granger.

Post #9 » by **Scoot McGroot** » Mon Jan 10, 2011 3:06 am

Fo-Real wrote:Suns fan here.... not trying to troll or argue or anything silly like that, just didnt have any idea that Granger would ever be even thought of as a possible trade. Other than Nash or Gortat, is there anything on Phx. that could get it done. We have VC's 17 mil expiring, Pietrus is essentially an expiring, Lopez, 2 first rounders, a 5.7 million dollar TPE, is there anything??? Hell, even Dragic.

Eh, there's not much to work with there. Obviously, Nash is out of the picture. Gortat, while nice and all, is a pure center, and we already have Hibbert. Childress, Frye, and Warrick are excluded due to their contracts, especially respective to their talents/productions. Hill is nice, but with his age and production in the Phoenix system, he should likely stay there. Pietrus is just superfluous to what we already have in guys like Rush and George. Dragic is nice and all, but we already have Collison.

I could only possibly see something with Carter for his expiring (although it's not really expiring; he's guaranteed $4 million next year) and Robin Lopez are about the only pieces that are on the roster now. Even by including large numbers of 1st rounders, I don't see it. The best I can come with is something like:
Carter/Lopez/1st rounders for Granger/Posey/Dahntay. That would clear about $16 million, give a decently nice big man in Robin Lopez, but would require a better young piece/package. If you could somehow swing this into the Carmelo deal, maybe a young guy like Favors could be swung Indy's way, and Phoenix could swallow other contracts to get Granger to Arizona.

Long story short, after fully analyzing the situation; no. Phoenix doesn't have the pieces to get Granger.

BiggDawg897 · Post #10 » by **BiggDawg897** » Mon Jan 10, 2011 4:49 am

Tyson Chandler (back-up Roy and expiring) and a couple first for DG and Solo.. With Butler down for the year Granger fits right in and the Mavs won't have to over pay to keep Butler there next year. We also have a history of working with the Mavs.

Indy2thaWindy · Post #11 » by **Indy2thaWindy** » Mon Jan 10, 2011 4:53 am

BiggDawg897 wrote:Tyson Chandler (back-up Roy and expiring) and a couple first for DG and Solo.. With Butler down for the year Granger fits right in and the Mavs won't have to over pay to keep Butler there next year. We also have a history of working with the Mavs.

What? Wait, Tyson Chandler and a few picks in the late 20's for Danny Granger?

laydo · Post #12 » by **laydo** » Mon Jan 10, 2011 5:11 am

No, no, and .... no!

There's no reason trading your franchise player just because he's been down for like a month, especially it took years for the Pacers to develop Granger from 17th pick to an all-star player. If you do this to your top player, what will other players think of that? :wavefinger:

Also, when you look at the roster of T-Wolves, Hawks and Warriors, you know they won't make the deal.

T-Wolves have pretty good front players. All they need is a veteran guard to lead the young players, which the Pacers also lack of.

What Hawks want from Josh Smith would either a top center or a qualified point guard. Collison is still learning, and they already have Mavin Williams at SF.

As for the warriors, they sure like Granger. But I doubt them would deal Curry and Lee at the same time in return for a player who's been down, reciently.

It's not unusual that players would be down. What's more important is how can the coaches, the general manager help the players. It's more practical than just trying to deal the players.

BiggDawg897 · Post #13 » by **BiggDawg897** » Mon Jan 10, 2011 5:45 am

The Pacers "softening" their stance shows just where this thing is headed, I am as big a DG fan as there is, but the fact is that all of this is just building up to next year. The Pacers have younger and cheaper wings that need playing time to be evaluated and grow. I don't think there are going to be offers that are gonna be hands down "fair" offers, or offers that bring in top notch future altering talent. People are going to take the Pacers at face value here. Granger is going to be valued as a more expensive role player for a contender, than catalyst for a struggling team with younger up and coming talent. He was chosen as OUR player to build around so it's natural we have over valued him, but the truth is he will just be an above average player on a contender (my guess the kinds teams that would be interested) that already has it's catalyst. Think Vince Carter to Orlando, Richard Jefferson to San Antonio. Every situation is different, but it's looking like a change in direction and that might mean trading cap space for overall value returned. Who knows. Just my thoughts.

peno360 · Post #14 » by **peno360** » Mon Jan 10, 2011 11:02 am

8305 wrote:
Indiana Pacers trade Danny Granger and Tyler Hansbrough
Minnesota Timberwolves trade Kevin Love and Cory Brewer

I keep reading things that might indicate Love not being happy in Minnesota. I also think Beasley might be better if the majority of his minutes came at the 4. Imagine Rubio with the likes of Beasley, Granger and Wesley Johnson to pass to in transition.

Dis one.

Wizop · Post #15 » by **Wizop** » Mon Jan 10, 2011 1:02 pm

Indy2thaWindy wrote:Power Forward. Hansbrough is nice, but he needs to come off the bench. Not right now tho. He's proven that he's the best 4 on the roster.

so what are you going to draft next year and what free agents are you going to target? I don't see the urgency to get a 4 mid season. if you trade Granger, you are lengthening the rebuilding process and so I want draft picks.

laydo · Post #16 » by **laydo** » Mon Jan 10, 2011 2:00 pm

BiggDawg897 wrote:The Pacers "softening" their stance shows just where this thing is headed, I am as big a DG fan as there is, but the fact is that all of this is just building up to next year.

About the "softening the stance on DG," I personally think its a kind of strategy. The Pacers could listen for the offers, knowing what best they can get through the trade.

After all, Granger is the most valueable that Pacers have, and teams would offer some bigger assets than just putting Ford or Dunleavy on the block. And when you get some of the offers, which are important information in the tading market, you are able to analize how the other teams think of their players. That will help if the Pacers want to trade some less valueable players.

SouthJersey · Post #17 » by **SouthJersey** » Mon Jan 10, 2011 4:03 pm

Evan Turner and picks?

Starkiller · Post #18 » by **Starkiller** » Mon Jan 10, 2011 4:17 pm

SouthJersey wrote:Evan Turner and picks?

No. Maybe even a hell no.

Post #19 » by **Scoot McGroot** » Mon Jan 10, 2011 5:01 pm

SouthJersey wrote:Evan Turner and picks?

Could be a starting point if you had one large expiring contract, like Sam Dalembert as filler. We simply can't take on 4 or 5 smaller expirings to make the deal work. We like our end of the bench junk more than your end of the bench junk.

Starkiller · Post #20 » by **Starkiller** » Mon Jan 10, 2011 5:55 pm

Now maybe the Eric Gordon idea isn't so far fetched?