Are we WAY off base?

Starkiller · Post #1 » by **Starkiller** » Fri Feb 11, 2011 4:28 pm

The past couple of weeks Roy Hibbert has been a pretty hot topic in the Trades section. From the rest of RealGM's perspective, we are extremely overvaluing Hibbert. I've heard him been reffered to as "abysmal" offensively, a "poor man's Bogut", "nothing more than a back up C", etc.....

Are we too far in the forrest to see the trees? Or are we right? Judging by his play under Vogel, I go w/ us.

Wizop · Post #2 » by **Wizop** » Fri Feb 11, 2011 4:46 pm

centers and point guards take a long time to develop. with point guards that often means they get cut and bounce around Europe and the minors until they learn their trade. with big men it often means they sit at the end of the bench. Roy hasn't had the luxury of learning slowly because we have had no other options but he's coming along well. he needs to add some lower body strength but that comes with time and age. it's just a matter of time until Roy becomes the face of this franchise because he is more comfortable being vocal than Danny is.

Post #3 » by **Miller4ever** » Fri Feb 11, 2011 5:02 pm

Most people that I talk to outside of this forum know that Hibbert is one of the more valuable assets in the league.

kdawg531 · Post #4 » by **kdawg531** » Fri Feb 11, 2011 5:14 pm

The one thing that comes to mind with Big Roy is his inside touch. Often I feel like he has no touch on his shots, especially hook shots. He seems to just throw the ball up there. But after time he will develop that touch and be, dare I say, unstoppable down low.

captaincrunk · Post #5 » by **captaincrunk** » Fri Feb 11, 2011 5:39 pm

Starkiller wrote:The past couple of weeks Roy Hibbert has been a pretty hot topic in the Trades section. From the rest of RealGM's perspective, we are extremely overvaluing Hibbert. I've heard him been reffered to as "abysmal" offensively, a "poor man's Bogut", "nothing more than a back up C", etc.....

Are we too far in the forrest to see the trees? Or are we right? Judging by his play under Vogel, I go w/ us.

I think they're just hopeful that they could get him, you know? Why else would they want him anyway, if he's so bad. Hibbert is a fantastic player with fantastic size at a fantastic age with skills your everyday center doesn't possess, let alone the really big bodied C's. Any team would be stupid not to take him unless they had Bynum, Bogut, Dwight, etc.

Post #6 » by **Miller4ever** » Fri Feb 11, 2011 5:50 pm

kdawg531 wrote:The one thing that comes to mind with Big Roy is his inside touch. Often I feel like he has no touch on his shots, especially hook shots. He seems to just throw the ball up there. But after time he will develop that touch and be, dare I say, unstoppable down low.

That's really funny, because one of his strengths in the draft was how nice his touch was inside. I think facing stronger centers in the NBA has messed with it because he isn't planted right, and so he's trying to compensate on his release. I think if he keeps working, he should be shooting 55% in his prime.

Mikey12345 · Post #7 » by **Mikey12345** » Fri Feb 11, 2011 7:27 pm

Is adjusted +/- really a stat that measures the overall value of a player? If it is, according to http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=8779 Roy Hibbert is the most valuable center in the league among those who have played at least 751 minutes, and amongst the top five players in the league. We all know that to call Hibbert one of the five best in the league would be an exaggeration at best, but I think that stat does point to his value as being beyond that of some sort of scrub.

captaincrunk · Post #8 » by **captaincrunk** » Fri Feb 11, 2011 7:39 pm

Mikey12345 wrote:Is adjusted +/- really a stat that measures the overall value of a player? If it is, according to http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=8779 Roy Hibbert is the most valuable center in the league among those who have played at least 751 minutes, and amongst the top five players in the league. We all know that to call Hibbert one of the five best in the league would be an exaggeration at best, but I think that stat does point to his value as being beyond that of some sort of scrub.

Adjusted plus minus isn't really worth anything. Obviously better than just +/- but still pretty worthless.

Post #9 » by **Miller4ever** » Fri Feb 11, 2011 7:48 pm

Mikey12345 wrote:Is adjusted +/- really a stat that measures the overall value of a player? If it is, according to http://www.basketball-reference.com/blog/?p=8779 Roy Hibbert is the most valuable center in the league among those who have played at least 751 minutes, and amongst the top five players in the league. We all know that to call Hibbert one of the five best in the league would be an exaggeration at best, but I think that stat does point to his value as being beyond that of some sort of scrub.

Those stats can accurately describe a player up to a point. I think it does prove without a doubt that when Hibbert is on the floor, it's better for us than when he's not.

Welcome to the forum.

Boneman2 · Post #10 » by **Boneman2** » Fri Feb 11, 2011 8:28 pm

7 + footers are rare to find. Rik Smits added extreme value to our organization. Even though he only played in one all-star game, Smits was vital to our franchise. When Shaq was in his prime, one of the only players that could challenge his shots was Smits, only because of his 7'4" height. Also Smits was able to get his shot off against anybody.

Hibbert is a few inches shorter, but he is also more athletic and durable. True centers really make a difference, which is why they have higher trade value, even though their stats might suggest otherwise.

Hibbert is not the best, but he is definitely a franchise center & I am ecstatic we got the Georgetown product at 17.

TSC25 · Post #11 » by **TSC25** » Sun Feb 13, 2011 2:02 pm

I think Roy could be a very good center in this league,sure there are times I think he plays a little soft on the offensive end,and I like to see him have a few more power moves,but he is a really good passer which I really like about his game,and in talking about Rik's game,he wasnt as good a defender,or rebounder as Roy and we won alot of games with Rik,so now that we have a coach that believes in Roy and the other younger players I think we have a better future ahead of us.

8305 · Post #12 » by **8305** » Sun Feb 13, 2011 2:38 pm

Time will tell if Roy regularly goes into the mental funks he experienced during this past December and January. The guy we are seeing now and back in November is a top 10 maybe top 5 center in the league. How many centers can score, rebound, block shot and pass with Roy's proficiency. Granted he has yet to be consistent and I think he needs a physically tought guy next to him, but championship teams have good bigs. Clearly he can be a good big. I don't think we are that far off when demanding a major return when trades involving him are proposed.