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I've given up on trying to justify anything the refs/league/Stu Jackson do anymore. Why even complain about officials at this point? Whatever.

Oh well.... Chicago deserved both elbows. Foster is a gritty s.o.b.... Maybe he deserved one flagrant 1, but not two, it's the playoffs.

You gotta love him.

Boneman2 wrote:Oh well.... Chicago deserved both elbows. Foster is a gritty s.o.b.... Maybe he deserved one flagrant 1, but not two, it's the playoffs.

You gotta love him.

"it's the playoffs, so players should be allowed to elbow opponents in the head"
there's a difference between playing hard and playing dirty and foster plays dirty. there's nothing commendable about aiming for the head.

GloriaJames wrote:"it's the playoffs, so players should be allowed to elbow opponents in the head"
there's a difference between playing hard and playing dirty and foster plays dirty. there's nothing commendable about aiming for the head.

I don't feel that the elbow was intentionally to the head. Rose had the ball very close to his head and neck. I've said it 1000 times, but if you think Foster is the hardest foul Rose gets this year, I feel really bad for you. You will see harder. The foul on Rose was not bad IMO. The deng one people have more to get upset about.

Was Kurt Thomas's upgraded to a flagrant? He's known for throwing elbows and he actually knocked a player out of the game with it. Was Rose's reaction upgraded to a technical? He did everything Deng did to get one in game 1 and a LOT more than Vogel did right before halftime of game 1. Were the 3 fouls that were given to Bogans correctly changed to fouls on Rose? They probably wanted to send Rose to the line in between games and realized they couldn't get away with it.

GloriaJames wrote:

Boneman2 wrote:Oh well.... Chicago deserved both elbows. Foster is a gritty s.o.b.... Maybe he deserved one flagrant 1, but not two, it's the playoffs.<BR itxtNodeId="882"><BR itxtNodeId="881">You gotta love him.

<BR itxtNodeId="880">"it's the playoffs, so players should be allowed to elbow opponents in the head"<BR itxtNodeId="879">there's a difference between playing hard and playing dirty and foster plays dirty. there's nothing commendable about aiming for the head.

Do you know what dirty really is? Check out how the Pistons used to played on Michael Jordan.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_sMOwMB-WE&feature=related

Foster is just played a hard foul on Rose to make sure that Rose don't get a and 1 opportunity. If he's going to play dirty, Rose could end up more serous hurting.

It's playoffs now. If you cannot play physical, stay at home.

GloriaJames wrote:

Boneman2 wrote:Oh well.... Chicago deserved both elbows. Foster is a gritty s.o.b.... Maybe he deserved one flagrant 1, but not two, it's the playoffs.

You gotta love him.

"it's the playoffs, so players should be allowed to elbow opponents in the head"
there's a difference between playing hard and playing dirty and foster plays dirty. there's nothing commendable about aiming for the head.

I believe this to be the first time that I have ever heard someone call Foster a dirty player. I'd say Kurt Thomas has a lot more rank in the matter and that calling Foster "dirty" is a stretch.

laydo wrote:

GloriaJames wrote:

Boneman2 wrote:Oh well.... Chicago deserved both elbows. Foster is a gritty s.o.b.... Maybe he deserved one flagrant 1, but not two, it's the playoffs.<BR itxtNodeId="882"><BR itxtNodeId="881">You gotta love him.

<BR itxtNodeId="880">"it's the playoffs, so players should be allowed to elbow opponents in the head"<BR itxtNodeId="879">there's a difference between playing hard and playing dirty and foster plays dirty. there's nothing commendable about aiming for the head.

Do you know what dirty really is? Check out how the Pistons used to played on Michael Jordan.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_sMOwMB-WE&feature=related

Foster is just played a hard foul on Rose to make sure that Rose don't get a and 1 opportunity. If he's going to play dirty, Rose could end up more serous hurting.

It's playoffs now. If you cannot play physical, stay at home.

x2

laydo wrote:

GloriaJames wrote:

Boneman2 wrote:Oh well.... Chicago deserved both elbows. Foster is a gritty s.o.b.... Maybe he deserved one flagrant 1, but not two, it's the playoffs.<BR itxtNodeId="882"><BR itxtNodeId="881">You gotta love him.

<BR itxtNodeId="880">"it's the playoffs, so players should be allowed to elbow opponents in the head"<BR itxtNodeId="879">there's a difference between playing hard and playing dirty and foster plays dirty. there's nothing commendable about aiming for the head.

Do you know what dirty really is? Check out how the Pistons used to played on Michael Jordan.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_sMOwMB-WE&feature=related

Foster is just played a hard foul on Rose to make sure that Rose don't get a and 1 opportunity. If he's going to play dirty, Rose could end up more serous hurting.

It's playoffs now. If you cannot play physical, stay at home.

there's a difference between playing physical and playing dirty. you can commit a hard foul on someone's body and stop them from getting an and 1 that way.

blaha112 wrote:

GloriaJames wrote:"it's the playoffs, so players should be allowed to elbow opponents in the head"
there's a difference between playing hard and playing dirty and foster plays dirty. there's nothing commendable about aiming for the head.

I don't feel that the elbow was intentionally to the head. Rose had the ball very close to his head and neck. I've said it 1000 times, but if you think Foster is the hardest foul Rose gets this year, I feel really bad for you. You will see harder. The foul on Rose was not bad IMO. The deng one people have more to get upset about.

so because it's not the hardest foul rose has endured, it's not that big of a deal? that's terrible logic. i agree that the foul on deng was worse btw.

i guarantee if omer asik had committed these fouls against darren collison and danny granger this board would be in an uproar. as a bulls fan, i wouldn't be able to defend it. a dirty play is a a dirty play and foster committed two of them in the last game.

this isn't an mma fight, it's basketball. don't give me this "it's the playoffs" bull. does that give players the right to advertently try and hurt people?

GloriaJames wrote:
so because it's not the hardest foul rose has endured, it's not that big of a deal? that's terrible logic. i agree that the foul on deng was worse btw.

i guarantee if omer asik had committed these fouls against darren collison and danny granger this board would be in an uproar. as a bulls fan, i wouldn't be able to defend it. a dirty play is a a dirty play and foster committed two of them in the last game.

this isn't an mma fight, it's basketball. don't give me this "it's the playoffs" bull. does that give players the right to advertently try and hurt people?

For someone complaining about my logic, you sure didn't respond to my post logically... Your post was actually intellectually offensive... Sigh... Saying that the foul wasn't a big deal and saying that it wasn't the biggest foul rose would get during this playoffs were two separate thoughts. Do I really need to break this down for you?

I felt that the foul on Rose was not that big of a deal because I felt the contact to the upper body was incidental and not done in a way to injure rose. But rather done in a way to stop an easy lay-up with a play made on the ball. If you disagree with that, that's fine, but no where in my post did I say that his foul was okay because there would be worse fouls later on...

My comment that you will see harder fouls was a separate thought to state that, well, you will see harder fouls. It was in no way the justification of the previous statement, as I have stated earlier. Based on your reaction to what I feel was not a bad foul, I just worry about the reaction of fans, such as your self, when you see an actual bad foul.

Lastly, your guarantee that a similar foul would cause me as a Pacer fan to go berserk is wrong. You realize the foul on Tyler sent him out of the game and caused him to barely be able to walk right? Did you see me post anything about that foul? Please keep the word logic out of your future posts if they are similar to your past one...

blaha112 wrote:

GloriaJames wrote:
so because it's not the hardest foul rose has endured, it's not that big of a deal? that's terrible logic. i agree that the foul on deng was worse btw.

i guarantee if omer asik had committed these fouls against darren collison and danny granger this board would be in an uproar. as a bulls fan, i wouldn't be able to defend it. a dirty play is a a dirty play and foster committed two of them in the last game.

this isn't an mma fight, it's basketball. don't give me this "it's the playoffs" bull. does that give players the right to advertently try and hurt people?

For someone complaining about my logic, you sure didn't respond to my post logically... Your post was actually intellectually offensive... Sigh... Saying that the foul wasn't a big deal and saying that it wasn't the biggest foul rose would get during this playoffs were two separate thoughts. Do I really need to break this down for you?

I felt that the foul on Rose was not that big of a deal because I felt the contact to the upper body was incidental and not done in a way to injure rose. But rather done in a way to stop an easy lay-up with a play made on the ball. If you disagree with that, that's fine, but no where in my post did I say that his foul was okay because there would be worse fouls later on...

My comment that you will see harder fouls was a separate thought to state that, well, you will see harder fouls. It was in no way the justification of the previous statement, as I have stated earlier. Based on your reaction to what I feel was not a bad foul, I just worry about the reaction of fans, such as your self, when you see an actual bad foul.

Lastly, your guarantee that a similar foul would cause me as a Pacer fan to go berserk is wrong. You realize the foul on Tyler sent him out of the game and caused him to barely be able to walk right? Did you see me post anything about that foul? Please keep the word logic out of your future posts if they are similar to your past one...

i'm loling at the rhetoric in this post. do you try to be NO PERSONAL ATTACKS -PR07 when you post?
i don't know what about my response was difficult for you to understand, so i'll try again.

I don't feel that the elbow was intentionally to the head. Rose had the ball very close to his head and neck.

the ball was around his waist and anyone with eyes could tell you that foster was NOT making a play on the ball. he stuck out his elbow in an obvious attempt to hurt rose and discourage him from going to the basket. to reiterate, i have NO problem with enforcing the paint, but there's a proper way to do it and elbowing guys in the head is not it.

I've said it 1000 times, but if you think Foster is the hardest foul Rose gets this year, I feel really bad for you. You will see harder.

whats your point? i'm just going to quote myself from my last post

GloriaJames wrote:so because it's not the hardest foul rose has endured, it's not that big of a deal? that's terrible logic

you're saying that foster may have fouled rose hard, but that it isn't the hardest foul he's going to see. that doesn't make the foul not dirty, it just means that jeff foster isn't the dirtiest player in the league. it's still an obvious attempt to injure someone even if other players are more extreme.

You realize the foul on Tyler sent him out of the game and caused him to barely be able to walk right? Did you see me post anything about that foul?

completely different situation. both of them were going for a rebound and thomas inadvertently hit hansbrough with an elbow. it's an obvious foul, sure, and i bet it hurt a lot, but sometimes there's contact when two guys are hustling for a rebound. completely different situation from foster sticking his elbow out, or following through with his elbow on what was already a foul (on deng).

now, try responding to my post without being a total dick. pretty unclassy and it just makes you look bitter.

Just a lame decision by he NBA. Foster's fouls were good, hard, playoff fouls. No intention to hurt the player - just prevent him from getting his way. Rose admits to "trying to create contact" - well... success! Derrick meet Jeff; Jeff meet Derrick.

You guys are playing hard, inspired basketball. Despite the gap in talent, and the losses, you're making this - at least to me - the most entertaining first round series out there, simply because it's so much fun watching over-matched players like Hansbrough, Jones, Collison (when healthy), Foster and even McRoberts play up to the level of great competition. I love Vogel's attitude as well. I'm a die hard Celtics fan who grew up on 80's basketball and this is exactly how you guys have been playing. Consider me a new fan.

I'm sorry I come off as a prick. But, holy cow are you for real? Your posts are completely ignoring the logic behind my words... Which is the most irritating way to have a conversation with someone.

GloriaJames wrote:you're saying that foster may have fouled rose hard, but that it isn't the hardest foul he's going to see. that doesn't make the foul not dirty, it just means that jeff foster isn't the dirtiest player in the league. it's still an obvious attempt to injure someone even if other players are more extreme.

Did you even read my reply? Because you are AGAIN saying that I think the reason why Foster's foul was not dirty was because Rose will see harder. Not only did I say that is NOT what I think, I again told you why I thought his foul was not a F foul. Please re-read my post for further evidence of this thought.

GloriaJames wrote:inadvertently hit hansbrough with an elbow. it's an obvious foul, sure, and i bet it hurt a lot, but sometimes there's contact

This is my basic point about the Foster to Rose foul. We are both looking at the same plays and we have opposite opinions on both plays. That is fine. But, to continually tell me you disagree with me about something I am NOT saying or think is crazy. And then you question MY Logic... Again, It is just not logical...

Ps; I am not bitter. But I do now have a headache...

blaha112 wrote:you are AGAIN saying that I think the reason why Foster's foul was not dirty was because Rose will see harder.

that isn't what i'm saying though. i simply think you bringing up the point that he's going to see harder fouls is stupid and irrelevant when considering foster's foul.

from what i can tell, the reason you think foster's foul wasn't dirty is because he was making a play on the ball. that's fine, that's your opinion. i disagree though because foster doesn't even come close to the ball, which is at rose's waist.

GloriaJames wrote:

blaha112 wrote:you are AGAIN saying that I think the reason why Foster's foul was not dirty was because Rose will see harder.

that isn't what i'm saying though. .

GloriaJames wrote:so because it's not the hardest foul rose has endured, it's not that big of a deal? that's terrible logic.

GloriaJames wrote:you're saying that foster may have fouled rose hard, but that it isn't the hardest foul he's going to see. that doesn't make the foul not dirty,

What other conclusion can I draw from these comments you made?? I'm done. Enjoy the game.

blaha112 wrote:

GloriaJames wrote:

blaha112 wrote:you are AGAIN saying that I think the reason why Foster's foul was not dirty was because Rose will see harder.

that isn't what i'm saying though. .

GloriaJames wrote:so because it's not the hardest foul rose has endured, it's not that big of a deal? that's terrible logic.

GloriaJames wrote:you're saying that foster may have fouled rose hard, but that it isn't the hardest foul he's going to see. that doesn't make the foul not dirty,

What other conclusion can I draw from these comments you made?? I'm done. Enjoy the game.

i'm having difficulty seeing that that's the conclusion that you drew from that. i'm not going to bother explaining myself since you're not actually going to reply to the bulk of the comment, but instead pick out something to criticize because you don't actually know how to rationalize no personal attacks -PR07