Ok, so given this win (Vogel 2011 & beyond-related)

[chube]

Towards the end of the season, a question was posed of "what would it take for you to want Vogel back as coach next year?"

I saw some posts that said, as long as it was a competitive series from a play standpoint and not necessarily W-L, which it obviously has been. Some said, just win at least one, which he now has.

Now where's your standing on Vogel? I say as long as guys like Roy, Danny, Darren and Paul want him back, by all means strip away the "interim" tag.

Your thoughts?

[Miller4ever]

If we get the right assistants, this could be a very good coaching staff. I would be happy to have him back next season, but I would also want to look at other options.

[chube]

^^^ You mean Vitaly Potapenko and Walter McCarty don't make up a coaching staff conducive to winning? WHAT?!?!?!?!?!?!

But seriously, yeah, I agree. He's done an awesome job and if he's hired on full-time, I'm all for it. Like you said, especially if we get good assistants around him. But no harm in at least taking a look at guys like Mike Woodson, Mike Brown, Rick Adelman, etc. But I have no problem with Vogel being at the top of the list.

[Pacersike]

If he keeps Paul George again out of the game in the 4th after playing such a good game, I don't want him back under any circumstances.

[Kuq_e_Zi91]

I, too, wondered why Paul didn't play the entire 4th. But, I think playing Dahntay on the final possession was a great call. Dahntay does a better job of faceguarding Rose and denying him the ball. We needed to keep the ball out of his hands on the final play.

[LadiesLuvPGs]

If he keeps Paul George again out of the game in the 4th after playing such a good game, I don't want him back under any circumstances.

I didn't mind coach sticking with D. jones today. I thought Dahntay posted up on Korver was effective when it was used, and his defense was solid on Rose. PG will have plenty of chances to make big plays

[Miller4ever]

Given George's recent troubles on offense in the 4th, I feel like going with the vet wasn't a bad idea.

Also, McBob was doing better than Hansbrough this game so I don't disagree with that decision either.

Since they are going to be on the team for sure next season, I would like to see better out of George and Hansbrough.

[Pacersike]

Given George's recent troubles on offense in the 4th, I feel like going with the vet wasn't a bad idea.

Going with the vet is a good idea.

Going the first two games without him for the entire game and going with George the first three games but not a single minute in the fourth game, is not a good idea.

At least, I wouldn't have done it that way.

The statement about me don't wanting Vogel back because of that should be taken with a grain of salt. Emotions of the game were still fresh when I posted it.

[Wizop]

^^^ You mean Vitaly Potapenko and Walter McCarty don't make up a coaching staff conducive to winning? WHAT?!?!?!?!?!?!

I think they were good choices to assist a veteran coach like O'Brien. I'd want at least one assistant with gray hair on the bench with a young coach like Vogel.

[Wizop]

I didn't mind coach sticking with D. jones today.

I thought playing D Jones at the end game was excellent. he was in at point guard. I thought pulling both Collison and Price on the defensive end was smart. Vogel's ability to make adjustments like that as the series went on has me much more comfortable staying with him next year than I was a week ago.

[TSC25]

I feel Frank has done a great job coaching this team,but he still makes rookie coaching mistakes,so maybe adding a couple vet asst coaches would help his case in keeping the job,Dick Harter would be a good start to the staff.

[MUpacersSIC]

Paul George is your starter, he should be in the game in the 4th. Dahntay Jones had a -12 point differential when he was in the game, Paul George +10. That should say it all. I'm not saying that the Bulls run at the end of the game was all D. Jones fault; however, at the end of the game you go with the starters IMO.

[Kuq_e_Zi91]

Paul George is your starter, he should be in the game in the 4th. Dahntay Jones had a -12 point differential when he was in the game, Paul George +10. That should say it all. I'm not saying that the Bulls run at the end of the game was all D. Jones fault; however, at the end of the game you go with the starters IMO.

I think you go with matchups and whoever is playing well. We needed to deny Rose the ball, Dahntay is better at that.

I was more upset over wasting Paul on Korver at the end of game 3. He should have been on Rose instead of Dahntay because he's better once Rose gets the ball. He's longer and a better man defender. Dahntay has a tendency to be overaggressive. Rose suckered him in and blew right past him.

[paulgeorge24]

People who want Vogel back, keep in mind that you would be designating him as the guy to take us back to the top of the East ALL BECAUSE he came in after an awful coach, padded his schedule with alot of easy wins at the beginning, and has simply gotten out of the players way instead of forcing them into a system that they dont fit into. All of the guys who love him, have played substantial minutes for 1 coach before him...JOB...

We should not bring him back. He's done a good job, but we have higher expectations and there are many other candidates that are more worthy and with more proven track records.

[PR07]

Vogel has done a good job, no question. However, I don't see how it hurts to at least evaluate other candidates that may be available. With that being said, I wouldn't commit to him 100% today, but I would think he's the favorite for the job.

[Scoot McGroot]

Vogel has done a good job, no question. However, I don't see how it hurts to at least evaluate other candidates that may be available. With that being said, I wouldn't commit to him 100% today, but I would think he's the favorite for the job.

I'm at this point as well. Vogel hasn't done anything worthy of having the "interim" tag stripped yet, but he also hasn't done anything to remove himself out of the running. I'd say he has to be a serious consideration to get the long-term job.

I'm not of the belief that lifelong re-treads like Rick Adelman are a serious consideration or answer here. I think there is also sometimes much wisdom to a coach who was successful elsewhere, but just couldn't get a team over the top and as such was let go (think Mike Brown).

Ultimately, I think Vogel's a great guy we need to keep in our back pocket, just in case. I don't want to end up with a Jim O'Brien again because we put all our eggs in one basket (Stan Van Gundy), and then were second choice.

[8305]

Among some other mismatches noted before the Pacer/Bulls series was coaching. NBA Coach of the Year against an Interim. How much credit does the coach get for his team basically controlling this series for all but the last couple of minutes of each game? How much credit does he get for the melt downs? Every game the guys have looked both mentally prepared and tactically prepared. Arguably better prepared than the Bulls.

I think he's Larry's guy. If Larry's back so is Vogel.

[Rerisen]

In my opinion, Vogel has outcoached Thibodeau.

Now maybe its that Thibs was overrated going into the playoffs, that remains to be seen how he does the rest of the postseason, if the Bulls advance. But so far, Vogel has shown more creativity in doing whatever it takes, though it might be argued that desperate tactics are easier to risk from a bottom seed in a matchup where simply continuing regular season systems are likely to favor the higher seed.

I think a lot of it would come down to his relationship with the Pacers players. If they leave the postseason feeling he's done a good job and having trust in him, and feeling like the team has taken a step forward toward something, then it seems like a no brainer to bring him back.

[mizzoupacers]

I think Vogel is doing a good job, but the story of this series is execution and matchups, not coaching strategy. Vogel hasn't tried anything "desperate." The Pacers' players are just competing. Granted, it's a sign of good coaching that he has them playing this hard.

[Rerisen]

I think Vogel is doing a good job, but the story of this series is execution and matchups, not coaching strategy. Vogel hasn't tried anything "desperate." The Pacers' players are just competing. Granted, it's a sign of good coaching that he has them playing this hard.

I'd call it desperate doubling a guy as soon as he crosses half court for a half or a third of the game. You don't see the Lakers doing that to Paul (maybe they should) or teams doing that to Rondo. Nor even keeping both guys on a PnR glued to the PG and totally leaving the pick setter wide open as the Pacers usually do vs Rose.

It wouldn't work as well on most teams because those teams have better secondary options and playmakers, and they would likely get picked apart.

I have watched the Bulls all season, and only one or two teams have come close to prioritizing the defensive pressure on Derrick as Indiana. Those teams were probably Golden State and Philly, the latter being exactly the tape Vogel admitted to studying when looking for clues on how to play the Bulls.

I would also say the very hard fouls are a desperate tactic in this day and age in the league. In the sense that you are risking giving up points and/or even losing guys if they result in flagrants, which of course the NBA retroactively did make Foster's fouls into.

Desperate doesn't mean dumb though, you do what it takes to try and win. Vogel has done that.