2011-12 Trade Thread: *ALL* TRADES GO HERE

Post #1 » by **Miller4ever** » Wed Apr 27, 2011 2:51 am

Get at it.

Crossova21 · Post #2 » by **Crossova21** » Wed Apr 27, 2011 3:06 am

Get me somebody who can create his own shot. I would LOVE to get Monta Ellis or Eric Gordon without trading Granger.

IMO Hibbert can go. I think he's reached his peak. The reason I say that is because with some guys you can see if that they have potential. Hibbert played four years in college and three years in the NBA and hasn't gotten that much better. Wouldn't it be great if we could send him to ATL for Josh Smith or Horford. Dream situation: Dwight says he's not coming back to Orlando and will agree to come to Indy (Yea, I realize it probably will never happen).

Which teams will more than likely be over the cap? Hate to see all these expirings go to waste.

Wizop · Post #3 » by **Wizop** » Wed Apr 27, 2011 3:07 am

right now I'm proud of them game 5 notwithstanding. there's really no one under contract that I don't want back. do I want to do sign and trade deals to give our free agents bigger bucks elsewhere? not so much. we come back with Collison, Price, Stevenson, George, D Jones, Rush, Granger, Posey, Hibbert, and Hansbrough. pretty obvious the roster is short of bigs. Jeff is welcome back and I suppose Josh is too although I wouldn't chase his contract if he gets a nice offer. as much as I like Mike his minutes would just be in the way.

looks pretty obvious that the trade to make is Posey for a journeyman big with a contract his current team needs to unload. regardless of whether Jeff returns, I'm looking for someone who can play 5 and not just 4.

Post #4 » by **Miller4ever** » Wed Apr 27, 2011 3:11 am

Crossova21 wrote:Get me somebody who can create his own shot. I would LOVE to get Monta Ellis or Eric Gordon without trading Granger.

IMO Hibbert can go. I think he's reached his peak. The reason I say that is because with some guys you can see if that they have potential. Hibbert played four years in college and three years in the NBA and hasn't gotten that much better. Wouldn't it be great if we could send him to ATL for Josh Smith or Horford. Dream situation: Dwight says he's not coming back to Orlando and will agree to come to Indy (Yea, I realize it probably will never happen).

Which teams will more than likely be over the cap? Hate to see all these expirings go to waste.

Dwight said that he doesn't want a cold-weather city.

chube · Post #5 » by **chube** » Wed Apr 27, 2011 3:42 am

Nah, Roy may never be an all-star, but given the lack of depth across the NBA at center, having an above-average center on your team is a huge plus, which Roy is. Keep in mind, he was on his way to the MIP award until JOB screwed him up by calling him out through the media. Under Vogel, he showed a little more consistently of what he can bring.

Personally, I'd love an Okafor or Nene.

Moooose · Post #6 » by **Moooose** » Wed Apr 27, 2011 10:12 am

^ True.

And i don't really think we need to tweak the roster that much more, we need to purge some guys out to open some roster spots, but another "overhaul" in any way would be a step back, IMO.
Yes, we can get better pieces but will we still get the same chemistry?

I think we only need a couple of big guys to add depth to our frontcourt, better yet, a young starting PF and not a tweener. I don't want Josh Smith in Indiana, he's good but he's not someone the Pacers need IMO, and adding him would be costly.

Crossova21 · Post #7 » by **Crossova21** » Wed Apr 27, 2011 12:27 pm

Maybe not but we definitely need someone who can block shots and someone who can get their own shot. Hibbert is decent but he doesn't have lateral quickness and that's what I think makes him a liability on defense. I say Josh Smith and Dwight Howard because our front line even with the young talent we have still isn't that athletic. But like you said we'd have to give up a lot. I have no problem with Nene because he'll actually dunk the ball when he's under the rim.

Hibbert gets his shot blocked by Rose at the rim. :roll:

jowglenn · Post #8 » by **jowglenn** » Wed Apr 27, 2011 1:15 pm

I very much want to keep Hibbert, I think it's silly to talk about moving him unless there's some obvious upgrade.

There are 2 directions we can go here:

1. Use our cap space carefully to relieve other teams of burdensome salaries and get a key piece in such a deal.

Like OKC did when they got Maynor from utah just by taking on Harpring, or moved up in the draft in a deal w/ NOH just by taking on Mo Pete. There should be plenty of teams looking to dump guys, so if we find one of those teams and think that the guy they are dumping could contribute to us (maybe someone with a comeback chance in them, older guy who's been disgruntled on his current team) and they have some youngster who they're willing to lose to get under the tax/clear space for a FA/etc.

These would be smaller deals.

2. Combo platter of posey/1st/depends what we're getting for a big deal player.

Maybe GSW wants to dump Biedrens. Well they weren't planning on moving Monta, but if we give them posey/1st/george for ellis/biedrens, could they say no? Would we?

or go whole hog - see if Chris Paul would sign an extension with us and do a collison/hibbert/1st/1st for Paul/Okafor. Maybe toss in something else (what else? i don't know - rush, stevenson, just not george or hansbrough)

because paul/george/granger/hans/okafor is a contender. a title contender.

Utah is going nowhere, is in a rebuild process, and has guys like jefferson and okur and harris and millsap all making big money. Need to dump one of those guys?

yeah we can do jefferson/okur for posey/1st/mcbobs. Sure, no problem. Happy to. Suddenly pacers have the sickest big rotation in the league. probably shuttle memo off elsewhere.

coolweed · Post #9 » by **coolweed** » Wed Apr 27, 2011 1:43 pm

1. Posey / Rush / 1st for Ellis - Saves GS Money and gets us a scoring 2.
2. Sign Adelman to coach and sign Yao away from Huston. - Great coach and backup minutes to older Yao who can teach Roy.
3. Sign Landry. - Already knows the system Adelman will implement so we can hit the ground running.

Collison/Price/Stephenson
Ellis/Jones
Granger/George
Psycho-T/Landry (could be swapped)
Hibbert/Yao

Fill out the rest either with combination of re-signing of McRoberts, 2nd rounders and Stanko. Seriously, will we ever see our European investments?

Starkiller · Post #10 » by **Starkiller** » Wed Apr 27, 2011 2:10 pm

Nene, Nene, Nene, Nene.

Post #11 » by **mizzoupacers** » Wed Apr 27, 2011 2:15 pm

I pretty much agree with what seems to be the conventional wisdom: the Pacers need to add a go-to scorer and a better frontcourt guy.

I think the eventual go-to scorer might already be on the roster: Paul George. Maybe the Pacers should just give him time to develop. They aren't going to find a better go-to guy in this summer's draft; at best they might get someone who is a bit unheralded and will need time to develop, same as George. It's going to be hard to get a lead scorer right away in free agency too--the Pacers might just have to be patient for awhile until the right opportunity presents itself.

For the frontcourt, I don't think the answer is already on the roster. I think Hansbrough and Hibbert are pretty good players now, and you know they will work hard to get better. But I just don't see their ceilings as being all that high. The Pacers need to find a big, athletic guy who can control the boards and be more of a defensive intimidator than Hibbert or Hansbrough appear to be capable of. Not sure who it will be, but I think the Pacers stand a chance of acquiring that guy this offseason, and I think it should be their top goal.

Edit: Nene, Nene, Nene Nene couldn't hurt

LadiesLuvPGs · Post #12 » by **LadiesLuvPGs** » Wed Apr 27, 2011 2:43 pm

I wonder what it would take to get anderson varejao from cleveland. He's be cheaper than nene for sure. not as good offensively, but a defensive beast at times (taking charges, getting loose balls, energizing the team/fans). I think if he recovers from his injury he would attract some more positive local attention to the team. Plus he plays the 4 and 5 spot

would Posey/1st do it?

it just depends on how badly cleveland wants to be rid of his contract, if they do at all. they have shown a desire to get more 1st round picks.

Starkiller · Post #13 » by **Starkiller** » Wed Apr 27, 2011 5:08 pm

LadiesLuvPGs wrote:I wonder what it would take to get anderson varejao from cleveland. He's be cheaper than nene for sure. not as good offensively, but a defensive beast at times (taking charges, getting loose balls, energizing the team/fans). I think if he recovers from his injury he would attract some more positive local attention to the team. Plus he plays the 4 and 5 spot

would Posey/1st do it?

it just depends on how badly cleveland wants to be rid of his contract, if they do at all. they have shown a desire to get more 1st round picks.

IDK, I think Hansbrough does everything he does and does it better.

Wizop · Post #14 » by **Wizop** » Wed Apr 27, 2011 6:51 pm

Hansbrough does not get minutes at 5 and Varejao does.

Post #15 » by **Miller4ever** » Wed Apr 27, 2011 7:07 pm

I would not want to touch Varejao or his contract. Nene should be the target. Failing that, there's quite a few other options I would like.

Post #16 » by **Scoot McGroot** » Wed Apr 27, 2011 9:53 pm

Miller4ever wrote:I would not want to touch Varejao or his contract. Nene should be the target. Failing that, there's quite a few other options I would like.

Don't fool yourself. Anderson Varejao would be a great addition. Unfortunately, the Cavaliers are so far down right now that if they move Varejao, they need to get GREAT value for him, which they deserve (but we can't afford to pay, nor should we).

CoolKids · Post #17 » by **CoolKids** » Wed Apr 27, 2011 11:37 pm

Starkiller wrote:
LadiesLuvPGs wrote:I wonder what it would take to get anderson varejao from cleveland. He's be cheaper than nene for sure. not as good offensively, but a defensive beast at times (taking charges, getting loose balls, energizing the team/fans). I think if he recovers from his injury he would attract some more positive local attention to the team. Plus he plays the 4 and 5 spot

would Posey/1st do it?

it just depends on how badly cleveland wants to be rid of his contract, if they do at all. they have shown a desire to get more 1st round picks.

IDK, I think Hansbrough does everything he does and does it better.

Hansbourogh and Varejo are complete opposites. They both hustle but hansborough is a good shooter/offensive player but very mediocre on the boards and a bad defender. Varejo is terrible on offense and a good rebounder and good defender.

jowglenn · Post #18 » by **jowglenn** » Thu Apr 28, 2011 9:06 am

I've never understood the Varejao hate... he'd be basically a perfect third big, and he's up there with Chandler and Nene as big men who are attainable, and would play starter's minutes splitting time at the 4 and 5, playing next to either hibbert or hansbrough.

He's admittedly one of those guys who doesn't have a ton of specific strengths... but across the board, he's a great hustle/rebound/defense guy and would fit perfectly here.

I'd be more than happy with posey/15 for varejao.

Post #19 » by **Miller4ever** » Thu Apr 28, 2011 2:06 pm

I always thought consistent offense was something we could use since Hibbert and Hansbrough both have shown defensive improvement. To me, Varejao's always put up middling efficiency, rebounding at a lower rate than advertised his entire career. He is admittedly better than Tyler and Hibbert in that area, though. He is a better defender. I guess I really want to see what the 15th pick is going to turn into. I think there's a young guy we can get who's going to be cheaper than Varejao.

writerman · Post #20 » by **writerman** » Fri Apr 29, 2011 12:10 am

Crossova21 wrote:Get me somebody who can create his own shot. I would LOVE to get Monta Ellis or Eric Gordon without trading Granger.

IMO Hibbert can go. I think he's reached his peak. The reason I say that is because with some guys you can see if that they have potential. Hibbert played four years in college and three years in the NBA and hasn't gotten that much better. Wouldn't it be great if we could send him to ATL for Josh Smith or Horford. Dream situation: Dwight says he's not coming back to Orlando and will agree to come to Indy (Yea, I realize it probably will never happen).

Which teams will more than likely be over the cap? Hate to see all these expirings go to waste.

Yeah....let's get rid of this proven 13-8-2 guy who plays the hardest position to fill for any team in the league and isn't yet 25 years old... :roll: