Trading for SG

[dukeknicksirish]

After you guys sign Nene... i was thinking something like:

D. Wright + Monta Ellis + Andris Biedrins + 2013 1st rd

for

Danny Granger + Hibbert + 2012 2nd rd pick

5.Nene/Beidrins
4.Hansborough/McRoberts
3.George/Wright
2.Monta/Rush/Stephenson
1.Collison/Hill

Wright and Hill as 6th and 7th man... thoughts?

[chube]

Definitely not a fan of this one. Hibbert blows Biedrins out of the water as far as overall talent is concerned. Biedrins might be a better consistent rebounder and blocker than Hibbs (for now), but Hibbert is young, improving, part of Indy's main core, not as injury prone (knock on wood), a much better scorer, and MUCH cheaper (Biedrins contract is an example of why the owners want to wiggle out of guaranteed contracts.)

Dorell Wright had a nice year, but so did Biedrins once hence his obscene contract. Ellis is a hella nice scorer, but can't play defense to save his life. Paul George showed nice flashes of his scoring ability as a rook and is a very good defender, holding his own against a crafty D-Rose in the playoffs. Between Paul George, Dahntay Jones, George Hill, and an inconsistent but decent defender Brandon Rush, we have the 2-spot more than covered, especially since Dahntay and George can flip to the 3 and Hill can slide down to the 1 to spell Collison if need be. Not to mention, we're talking about giving away Granger, one of our building blocks, who has repeatedly said he loves playing in Indy, a loyalty that's getting harder and harder to come by for a player of his caliber in the NBA. Would Ellis, easily to big draw of that deal, feel the same way coming from the Bay Area? Who knows.

I'd MUCH rather hold out and improve our frontcourt depth at Power Forward (especially if Nene or West don't come through), get a nice backup to eventually replace Foster behind Hibbert, and maybe even take a run at Eric Gordon in 2012.

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[dukeknicksirish]

Then with th amnesty rule, drop Biedrins more even more cap space... It works from a money standpoint for both teams... And thanks! I like it too

[Wizop]

After you guys sign Nene... i was thinking something like

why would we spend big bucks on a free agent and then blow up the team? if we get our 4/5, we'll run with what we have at SG.

[WillBill420]

trading hibbert after getting nene, kinda leaves us in the same spot we were in before.. a good center and no frontcourt depth

[mpmkr]

Why would you need a SG, do you not like George at 2 with Hill getting a ton of minutes at both 1 and 2?

[Miller4ever]

Seriously, I'd take size 9/10 times.

[daschysta]

I'd rather keep Hibbert to play alongside Nene. I love giant lineups, and if i'm not mistaken Nene considers himself a Power Forward anyhow right? Hibbert has enough of a high-post passing/ Midrange game to make both of them work on offense, and it's a concession i'd be willing to make for a post scorer as efficient as Nene. Hibbert is versatile on offense anyhow and isn't in all ways a traditional pivot. On defense they'd be an absolute terror, sure some stretch fours would give us trouble, but after years of Jim O'frigginBrien i'm tried of adjusting to other teams instead of playing to our strengths, let teams adjust to OUR giant twin towers, good luck stopping both of them in the post, and we'd have great interior positional D too.

Hill
George
Granger
Nene
Hibbert

Is a lineup that looks like it could be absolutely terrific defensively, Hill and George both have the potential to be elite perimeter defenders, and granger is a very good defender when he isn't carrying the offense as well, while nene isn't a shotblocker, he's a huge body and a very, very good positional defender, and Hibbert is improving defensively (i'd say he's above average at this point) and can provide nice shotblocking...

So no, in this scenario (in which we sign nene) i'd much prefer going for a giant lineup than a midget one

Collison/ Hill/ stephenson
Ellis/Hill/ rush
George/Jones
Hansbrough/ wright/mcbob
Nene/ Biedrins/ Foster

Just isn't as attractive to me as

Collison/ Hill/ Stephenson
George/ Hill/ Rush
Granger/ Jones
Nene/ Hansbrough/
Hibbert/ Nene/ Foster

Lineup two blows the first one out of the water, allows hansbrough to do what he does best (score in bunches, he'd make an absolutely amazing 6th man and eat bench players for dinner) Gives us far superior size (needed if we have someone smallish like collison starting).

The only advantage to lineup one (post hypothetical trade lineup) is scoring at the two position, which is largely negated by losing granger who is a scorer of a similar caliber to ellis (albeit in a different fashion)

Hibbert also has more potential as a true center (a rare commodity) than either biedrins or Wright. The flashes hibbert showed for the first month and a half of last season are more than enough to allow him to realize his potential here. Hibbert can be a 18-20 ppg/9-10 rpg/3-4 apg/ 1.5-2.5 bpg matchup nightmare in his prime.

All of this isn't mentioning that I prefer granger to ellis in the first place. ellis is the more dynamic creator of offense, but granger's shooting is more valuable to a balanced team imo, ellis is the better first option by a hair, but neither are going to get you far in that role, wheras granger could be added to almost any team and improve them substantially as a second or third option. Plus he isn't at all undersized and is a better defender when he isn't called upon to carry an entire teams offense.


Also contrary to popular belief, Paul George considers himself a shooting guard, and is fast enough and long enough to guard 3 or four positions, including even fast small two guards, and since the two and the three are basically identical offensively in most modern schemes he and Granger aren't really redundant at all. Plus we have George Hill who is a very competent two guard on the roster. The position is solid enough to where I don't believe it is in our best interest to trade our best player for a lateral move (at best) and certainly we are in no position where we are tempted to give up Roy Hibbert for the priveledge of the aforementioned lateral move.

[Miller4ever]

George is like T-Mac. You want to play him at 3, but he wants to play 2.

I hadn't considered this earlier, but as much as I want Nene, that would be the foulingest front court in the NBA, possibly. Hopefully Hibbert continues to work on that aspect of his game.

[old rem]

After you guys sign Nene... i was thinking something like:

D. Wright + Monta Ellis + Andris Biedrins + 2013 1st rd

for

Danny Granger + Hibbert + 2012 2nd rd pick

5.Nene/Beidrins
4.Hansborough/McRoberts
3.George/Wright
2.Monta/Rush/Stephenson
1.Collison/Hill

Wright and Hill as 6th and 7th man... thoughts?

GSW traded their 2012 #1 with protections going to 2014 or 2015. A 2013 #1 thus can't be traded now.

Monta as a PG is >> Collison or Hill, so Indy could trade one of them, play George at SG and start D Wright, as he's a multi-skill SF who's been better starting than George has. Minus the untradeable #1, this CAN work for GSW as Hibbert is a solid all round C. Granger, while less bang for the buck than Ellis, does at least replace Ellis wit a multi-talented guy who can be a go-to scorer.
In this, while GSW is losing Biedrins when his trade value sucks, they do at least end up functional if #1 pick Klay Thompson pans out.

This IS a deal with 5 starters who their teams probably planned to keep. Minus the picks, it's lkely something tempting both ways but, do you really want to bust up your core and change course?