Pacers discussing trade for Rondo

[Grang33r]

Per Yahoo's Adrian Wojnarowski-

Pacers talk with Celtics about Rondo deal

As Boston Celtics general manager Danny Ainge aggressively pursues possible deals for Rajon Rondo(notes), the Indiana Pacers have emerged as an intriguing suitor for the point guard, league sources told Yahoo! Sports.

For the past few days, Pacers officials – and third-party surrogates – have been making calls and gathering information and insight into Rondo’s reputation as a teammate and leader, sources said.

The Pacers and Celtics have discussed the preliminary framework of a deal, but two sources said Indiana would need a third team to provide Boston with the talent it wants to do a deal. The Celtics are likely trying to gather the necessary pieces to make a bid for Ainge’s ultimate target: New Orleans point guard Chris Paul(notes), sources said.

It was unclear if the Pacers had begun to reach out to broaden discussions, but there was an expectation they would do so.

Link- http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=a ... ndo_112911

Personally i don't see it. Paul George must be involved in this you got to think?

[Indy2thaWindy]

I don't want to trade Paul. I'd rather blow it up and build around him than trade him. Rondo is nice, but we wouldn't be anywhere near as effective with him as the Celtics are. They have 3 great offensive plyers there. We only got one.

[Indy2thaWindy]

It wouldn't be a straight up deal between us and the Celtics. They want Chris Paul. If Rondo did come here, Collison would be gone. There's a 3-way deal on the trade board, with us, Boston, and New Orleans.

Hornets get: Darren Collison, Tyler Hansbrough, James Posey, Jeff Green, LAC #1, BOS #1, IND #1, and an $11m TPE

Celtics get: Chris Paul, A.J. Price, and Brandon Rush

Pacers get: Rajon Rondo and Emeka Okafor

Leaves us with a little over $8 million in capspace. If we amnesty Dahntay, then right around $10 million. That could be enough for David West. Resign Foster. Use our $2.5 million exception to get an okay bench player. Fill out the roster with vet minimums.

That only will work for a season. Then we have to pay Hibbert and Hill. Okafor just kills the deal and I doubt that would even be NO's best offer for Chris Paul.

[laydo]

Source: "Yahoo's Adrian Wojnarowski"

huh...

[Indy2thaWindy]

Source: "Yahoo's Adrian Wojnarowski"

huh...

He practically breaks every story that actually ends up happening tho.

[Moooose]

If we would still end up with Granger, George, Hibbert, and Hill i'd be fine with it. I think NO would want Hansbrough, and if that happens, we can sign David West straight up.
That would be a pretty solid lineup Rondo, George, Granger, West, and Hibbert.
I can't wait to see the details.

[kd35sneighbor]

Source: "Yahoo's Adrian Wojnarowski"

huh...

That picture has nothing to do with him being a bad source. You're ridiculous.

[Val Holliday]

If it were a deal in which we took on Okafor he would likely become an amnesty casualty. He might stick around for a year if we didn't have Hibbert, but we do and there are guys as effective or more (like Chuck Hayes, even McRoberts) that can be had for much much cheaper.

[jowglenn]

If it were a deal in which we took on Okafor he would likely become an amnesty casualty. He might stick around for a year if we didn't have Hibbert, but we do and there are guys as effective or more (like Chuck Hayes, even McRoberts) that can be had for much much cheaper.

AMNESTY??? Hell naw. If we got Okafor, he'd be a big big part of our team. Sure, the guy has his limitations, but he's a really solid defensive big. He could play both PF and C for us - say, average of 20 mpg at C and 15 at PF.

The deal suggested above is stupendous for us. Absolutely slam dunk.

I

Hornets get: Darren Collison, Tyler Hansbrough, James Posey, Jeff Green, LAC #1, BOS #1, IND #1, and an $11m TPE

Celtics get: Chris Paul, A.J. Price, and Brandon Rush

Pacers get: Rajon Rondo and Emeka Okafor

Leaves us with a little over $8 million in capspace. If we amnesty Dahntay, then right around $10 million. That could be enough for David West. Resign Foster. Use our $2.5 million exception to get an okay bench player. Fill out the roster with vet minimums.

That only will work for a season. Then we have to pay Hibbert and Hill. Okafor just kills the deal and I doubt that would even be NO's best offer for Chris Paul.

I don't think okafor kills the deal - we can always look to move him later when we need to renew contracts. Also, we wouldn't need to sign a David West type if we got Okafor - there's lots of other cheap options out there - I'd be quite pleased with Carl Landry and he'd be way cheaper than West. And he's played with Okafor before, so that's nice.

Fact is, here we get an all-star PG on a good contract, along with a solid starting-caliber big man, and all we have to give up is hansbrough, collison, a pick, and filler? SLAM DUNK.

Sad we didn't just draft Rondo a few years ago. Shawne f-ing Williams, seriously...

[Val Holliday]

Erm, Okafor is not very good. He's not bad, but he's not worth half his contract, would be a bench player, and like I said, has cheap equals/superiors on the open market.

That said, it'd be huge for Indiana to take Okafor off New Orleans hands and eat his contract (something I wouldn't bet on btw). Probably the biggest piece Indiana would offer out of that outlined deal. But in said deal (and all that I have seen), Indiana is giving up the greater chunk for the lesser point guard.

Basically all Boston offers is Rondo and a mediocre forward, be it Green or Davis, with likely high 1st rounders. Frankly Indiana is better equipped to make a run at Paul than Boston, and significantly so. There's just the part where he would probably leave in a year.

[Indy2thaWindy]

Actually you know what, I redid the numbers and, we's still have about $13 million in capspace after the trade and 8 players left on the roster. We could sign David West, Jeff Foster, a point guard, a small forward, and one more big. We'd lose one of Hibbert or Hill after the season tho.

Rondo/Stephenson/Hill/FA
George/Hill/Jones
Granger/George/FA
West/Okafor/FA
Hibbert/Okafor/Foster

I really don't want anything to do with Okafor.

I doubt the Hornets would do it tho.

[OnFire]

Rondo would be the
perfect PG to run this
team.

leadership, craftiness,
gritty defense – a real
creator and upgrade
from DC.

my gut tells me this
gets done.

[dennis_mora91]

Don't touch Paul George. If we'll trade him i would be disapointed with Larry

I like Rondo more than DC. It's possible that we trade Roy too to get Rondo

[laydo]

I don't think the Hornets would send CP3 to Boston as long as David Stern is the Owner.

[King Of The 4th]

Hornets get: Darren Collison, Tyler Hansbrough, James Posey, Jeff Green, LAC #1, BOS #1, IND #1, and an $11m TPE

Celtics get: Chris Paul, A.J. Price, and Brandon Rush

Pacers get: Rajon Rondo and Emeka Okafor

Celtics fan here. Just came to say that I would do that deal faster than I could recommend Rondo the nearest plane to Indiana. It'd be sad to see Rondo leave but CP3 would make our team better and Rondo would fit in great on the Pacers.

He gets a lot of insults about his shooting ability but his mid-range game is actually better than he's given credit for and he's one of the mentally toughest players in the league. If he improves on his FT shooting, he'll become a great piece for you in the future.

[Indy2thaWindy]

Rondo/Hill/Stephenson/Price
George/Hill/Jones/Rush
Granger/George/FA
West/Hansbrough
Nene/Foster/FA

We could use our room exception and the vet. min. to fill our remaining roster spots.

It is possible

Indy is not trading Granger for David West. I hope BBall_IQ understands just how dumb that sounds.

New Orleans doesn't have to take on Posey, but they could get an extra pick out of it. While using there capspace on someone who won't get in the way of tanking, which it seems like they want to do. They'll have to hit the 85% salary floor somehow.

Boston has to send out salary no matter what to get CP3, whether the trade rule is 125% or 150%. If it's 125%, they'll probably have to send out Jeff Green. If it's 150% they'll be able to send out Avery Bradley.

The combined salaries of Hibbert, Collison, Green, and Posey is just below $17 million. New Orleans is sending out $16.3 million with Paul. They take on about a half million dollars. They'll still need to spend $7 million to hit the salary floor.

Their starting lineup immediately after the trade would be

Collison
Ariza
Green
Okafor
Hibbert

That lineup screams Anthony Davis.

Boston would be put in a tough spot and have to fill their bench up with vet mins, their rookies, and possibly the 3mil MLE. But that's the price of getting CP3.

After the trade Pacers would have $36 million in comiited salary, but with Tyler Hansbrough as the only big. I think David West could be had for 4years/42million, starting out at $9 million in the first year. I think Nene could be had for 4years/58million, starting out at $13 million in the first year. I don't know if you know this but 9+13=22. But wait, I'm not done. 36+22=58. That would put the Pacers just under the salary cap. They could probably resign Foster cheap and use the room exception on a big or a small forward. Whichever position they don't use it on they can use a vet minimum on.

Like I said, it would take A LOT, but it's not impossible.

[Indy2thaWindy]

Uhhh, the CP3 angle looks to be dead.

It still seems Boston wants a change at point, and it seems Larry really wants Rondo. I'm sure they'll go over other teams and see if they can working something out, but as of now it looks like we'll be going into the season with Collison as our starter.

[laydo]

What's wrong with starting Collison as point guard?

Remember he was coached by 4 head coaches in his first two year of his career, it is too early to judge him now. Also, Collison will be challenged by George Hill at starting PG. The point guard should not be the positon the Pacers should worried about.

And, it is crazy to put Hibbert in the trade. Big Roy and George Hill worked out with Nene and Duncan frequently in SA during the past few months. How could we land Nene if he knows he won't be able to team up with Hibbert and become the most danger bigs in the East?

[Pacers2013Chmps]

surprised everyone likes this trade. understand it is the only way we can bring in these type of players if we don't draft them and probably will sell a lot of jerseys. don't think he is worth the money unless they are giving him to us and still not sure then. he has played with the big three and been the only guy with an ego. i think his stats and game are a bit inflated because boston could afford to let him run because they had a championship team with him.

Also really like everything about DC and would love to see him as our long term PG. Will Rondo keep the same passion in indiana for the rest of his contract.. not quite the garden

whatever.... just wouldn't be disappointed to see nothing come of this never been a rondo fan and always thought he was the product of a perfect situation

[Edug27]

Random Thoughts:

Any trade scenario involving Jeff Green would be tough because he is a restricted free agent, and I'm sure signing long term with the Hornets is not on his agenda. Nor do I believe the Hornets will trade for 66 games worth of Green, before losing him in free agency.

I also don't see why N.O. would prefer Collison and T.Hansbrough over Rondo and insert bench player here. Plus, Boston won't trade for anyone who has more than a year left on their contracts (Dwight dream)

Theres no doubt Boston inquired about CP (mainly to keep him out of NY IMO). I'd assume N.O. told Boston to find a team willing to take Emeka, and they'll resume conversations. And I dont believe the Pacers are up for that. So I dont see how Indy fits into a 3 team trade. Unless we're talking Hibberts name in this.

Hmm .. Should be a fun December.