Evan Turner for Paul George

[SparksFly87]

Indiana gets a slashing big 2 guard who could be one of the best rebounding all around guards in the league in the future. Flourishes as a lead guard with great handles and passing skills.


Sixers get a better compliment to Iggy with Paul George because he's a better spot up shooter.

[Boneman2]

The problem with Indy/Philly is that Granger and Iggy need to be paired, but it is too expensive.

I want to keep George regardless, but the prospect of pairing Evans with PG is enticing. At the end of the season I'd consider Granger for Evans/1st./ + neutral filler.

[SparksFly87]

This trade makes both teams significantly better. Both team improves it's chemistry and needs. Turner provides what Iggy can do and is way younger! His potential is very high has a lead guard place between Collison and Granger would be crazy good!

[Starkiller]

This trade makes both teams significantly better. Both team improves it's chemistry and needs. Turner provides what Iggy can do and is way younger! His potential is very high has a lead guard place between Collison and Granger would be crazy good!

Umm, how do you figure it makes us better when Paul George is the better player in this deal?

[SparksFly87]

Better player? Really based on 3pt shooting? I didn't know that's the end all be all of whoses a player. Turner is a better ballhandler, decision maker, rebounder, slasher, post player, man defender and help defender.

[Pacerlive]

Better player? Really based on 3pt shooting? I didn't know that's the end all be all of whoses a player. Turner is a better ballhandler, decision maker, rebounder, slasher, post player, man defender and help defender.

As far as a help defender maybe as far as a rebounder not really and as far as a ballhandler yes but its obvious that you don't know that Turner is 2 years older than PG and is a dissappointment as the second overall pick in 2010.

Paul George is better than Turner period and your not going to convince anyone here that Turner is a better overall player either.

[Guzman_9]

Better player? Really based on 3pt shooting? I didn't know that's the end all be all of whoses a player. Turner is a better ballhandler, decision maker, rebounder, slasher, post player, man defender and help defender.

As far as a help defender maybe as far as a rebounder not really and as far as a ballhandler yes but its obvious that you don't know that Turner is 2 years older than PG and is a dissappointment as the second overall pick in 2010.

Paul George is better than Turner period and your not going to convince anyone here that Turner is a better overall player either.

This. Plus if Turner better, then why trade him for paul george? this trade 76ers better not the pacers.

[frizzledizzle]

Better player? Really based on 3pt shooting? I didn't know that's the end all be all of whoses a player. Turner is a better ballhandler, decision maker, rebounder, slasher, post player, man defender and help defender.

So that's why you want to trade him straight up?

And lol about Evans being a better defender. George is 2 years younger, 3 inches taller(he's 6'10) and after the Pacers put him on Rose in the playoffs, Rose shot 30%.

Evans would not make the team better. In fact, he'd probably make them worse. Who wants a shooting guard that can't shoot? Doesn't Meeks start over Turner? I'd start a 6'3 SG that can shoot over a 6'7 SG that can't shoot too.

There is a reason you'd trade Turner straight up for George and it's not because he is better. You're right, it would make the Sixers better. It would make the Pacers worse though.

[frizzledizzle]

Better player? Really based on 3pt shooting? I didn't know that's the end all be all of whoses a player. Turner is a better ballhandler, decision maker, rebounder, slasher, post player, man defender and help defender.

As far as a help defender maybe as far as a rebounder not really and as far as a ballhandler yes but its obvious that you don't know that Turner is 2 years older than PG and is a dissappointment as the second overall pick in 2010.

Paul George is better than Turner period and your not going to convince anyone here that Turner is a better overall player either.

This. Plus if Turner better, then why trade him for paul george? this trade 76ers better not the pacers.

Nice lol. Beat me to it.

"We'll trade you straight up, you're getting the better player" --- lol. Minus the fact that George is younger, bigger and a better shooter. More athletic too.

[Miller4ever]

Better player? Really based on 3pt shooting? I didn't know that's the end all be all of whoses a player. Turner is a better ballhandler, decision maker, rebounder, slasher, post player, man defender and help defender.

There is always a way to measure these things.

So let's go with it in these main categories, with rates and per 36 minutes, because they play different roles at different minutes:

-Scoring
-Rebounding
-Passing/Handling
-Defense
-Athleticism/Potential

Scoring: Turner is averaging 13.6 points per 36 minutes on 50.9% TS. George is avering 14.3 per 36 on 60.8% TS. George can shoot and has amazing finishing ability as well. He also has a midrange game and some off-the-dribble. Turner can penetrate better, but he is just a less efficient scorer than George, by far. That almost a 10% difference in true shooting. Granger is shooting horribly this season and is about even with Turner at 50.1%.

Rebounding: Turner has better rebounding numbers, but is the 4th best rebounder on a team that averages less rebounding than the opponent. George, on the other hand, is the 3rd best rebounder on a team that averages more rebounds than the opponent. Turner's rebounding skills are well-documented, and he puts more effort in that area than George, so Turner has the advantage here.

Passing/Handling: Turner also has better passing and handling, but it is very close. Given George's stature, however, he is a very good ballhandler at that height. The margin is also very close in terms of taking care of the ball. Per 36 minutes, Turner has 2.0 TO's and George has 2.1. Turner pulls away in this category.

Defense: Turner is credited with being a good defender. George blows him out of the water. Taking the physical gifts out of it, George is still better. They both have great fundamentals, and understand how to play the defense. George plays the passing lanes better and helps on the weakside better, as evidenced by more steals and more blocks per 36 minutes. He's also a lockdown man defender.

Athleticism/Potential: Turner is an above-average athlete with some great quickness. George may not have the same foot speed, but he is freakish. He can rise higher, and shoot over just about anybody. He is younger than Turner, and is so much more than just a spot-up shooter. He has more size and speed than almost everybody at the SF position, and most of the people at the SG position. 6-10 with ballhandling, a beautiful, effortless shooting stroke that he can heave over anybody, and dunks like a madman.

Even this isn't the end-all-be-all of what makes a good player, but as you can see, you are wrong on many counts.

[Scoot McGroot]

I'd like Turner as a potential running mate long-term with George and Collison. I, however, would not want Turner in place of George.

[Foshan]

As a Philly fan who is stalking your board , I really have no interest in a Turner for George deal. While the fit might be a slight improvement for both teams (I think Indy would benefit greatly from Turners sick handles and passing, and Philly would benefit from George's improved range) I don't think it's 'enough' of an improvement for either team to take the plunge.

That said, I think both teams should consider a move that lands either team Granger or Iggy to pair together.

While I think both fan bases would 'hate it' I think Turner +(+ as in TBD fillers) for Granger or George (+ as in TBD fillers)+ for Iguodala would make a lot more sense.

If Philly got Granger he would add some needed consistent offense to the starting line up, while he's not the super-star closer, he'd give Philly another good option in their team approach. Only problem is I'm still not sure that team has a shot against Maimi in the playoffs.

If Indy got Iguodala, i think he quickly becomes the facilitator that your team is really lacking. He'd be a perfect fit between two guys with the ability to knock down an open shot in Collison/Granger. Plus taking decision-making responsiblities at end-of-game out of Collison's hands is a good thing imo. The perk here, would be with Hibbert/West I think Indy actually could knock off Miami in a series.

Again, neither teams fans like it, FOs probably don't do it... but I think it makes the most sense in terms of a deal between these two teams that actually makes a significant change.

[Pacerlive]

If Indy got Iguodala, i think he quickly becomes the facilitator that your team is really lacking. He'd be a perfect fit between two guys with the ability to knock down an open shot in Collison/Granger. Plus taking decision-making responsiblities at end-of-game out of Collison's hands is a good thing imo. The perk here, would be with Hibbert/West I think Indy actually could knock off Miami in a series.

Again, neither teams fans like it, FOs probably don't do it... but I think it makes the most sense in terms of a deal between these two teams that actually makes a significant change.

Indy needs Granger's scoring less this year but I don't think Iggys ability to pass is going to make much of a difference for the Pacers. In addition Grangers defense has been much improved this year and although Iggy's defense is still better the Pacers as a whole don't need his defense that much anymore.

With PG improving most Pacers fans don't want to screw up the team chemistry that they have goin on now.

[jowglenn]

I don't mind doing some kind of turner++ for granger deal, but George is obviously way way more valuable than turner, and the pacers would never trade george for turner.

Seriously, George is younger, already an amazing shooter and finisher, 6'9 SG, massively high ceiling. Turner does not have nearly the potential George does, is smaller, not nearly as good a shooter. Sure, he's a better ball handler and passer and a few other things, but come on, this is a joke.

we shouldn't even be offering explanations, it makes it seem like there's some debate on the subject, when in fact this is super obvious no from indy. Sixers would jump on this like a fat kid on cake.

[Pacerlive]

Someone just pointed out where PG ranks..
7th in 3-Pt FG Pct
20th in Steals per game
10th in True Shooting Pct
8th in Effective Field Goal Pct
19th in Offensive Rating
15th in Defensive Rating

I am not sure where Turner ranks but its hard to imagine its anywhere near this.

[Moooose]

Paul George > Evan Turner.
No way this trade makes indy better.

[Wizop]

not only do we like PG better, but since he went lower in the draft his contract is smaller too.

btw, I expect to zoom around Philly in the standings as the schedules even out. we've played far more road games than home games and they are the reverse.

[daschysta]

George is far better in the future than Turner. Indiana's management wouldn't even consider this.

[Reginald Wayne]

I expected the first response to be "gtfo"

Get out of here dude.

[TJFordisGod]

Paul George > Evan Turner.
No way this trade makes indy better.

Agreed. Plus George might grow during off-season again.