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Post#1 » by granger05 » Tue Mar 20, 2012 9:13 pm

The last couple years I have been paying a lot more attention to draft prospects given our typical position. I haven't paid any attention at all this year, but now Chad Ford has a MOCK DRAFT up on ESPN. It's Insider only, but here's where the Pacers stand:


Pick # 23: Indiana

Terrence Ross

Position: SG
Height: 6-foot-6
Weight: 190 pounds
Age: 21
School: Washington

Analysis: The Pacers are really stacked just about everywhere, so they'll take the best talent on the board. Ross is both an excellent athlete and a terrific shooter. He has some star power to his game, he just hasn't totally harnessed it yet.


His ESPN player card lists shooting, defense and leaping as "player traits".
Projection Mid-First Round Pick


Positives
Good athlete
Excellent shooter with range
Good leaper
Can get to the basket with a quick first step
Good defender


Negatives
Lacks ideal size for his position
Needs to improve his handle, shot selection


I have developed no opinion at all on this.
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Post#2 » by Wizop » Tue Mar 20, 2012 9:44 pm

There are going to be some point guards available when we pick such as the kid from Kansas. off the tourney, I'm interested in Nicholson from St Bonnie. Draymond Green will be in the area too if he has the speed to be a 3. Crowder from Marquette is in the same boat.
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Post#3 » by Miller4ever » Tue Mar 20, 2012 10:03 pm

Going with what we've done, I see us taking the best talent available regardless of position. We can always trade.
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Post#4 » by frizzledizzle » Tue Mar 20, 2012 11:58 pm

If we go SG, I want John Jenkins - Vanderbilt.

If we go PG, I want Kendall Marshall - North Carolina.

If we go big, I want Terrence Jones - Kentucky.

That's just going by where we're currently picking and current mocks. Some players stock will rise, some will fall. Teague out of Kentucky will easily be on the board according to some of the current mocks. He might be worth the risk with his potential.
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Post#5 » by Wizop » Wed Mar 21, 2012 2:54 am

I'd be surprised if Teague is there. I'm not saying he deserves to go higher but that if he sees himself going that low he'll stay in school another year.
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Post#6 » by Scoot McGroot » Wed Mar 21, 2012 3:29 am

As of right now, I want nothing to do with Terrence Jones from KY. He just can't seem to get his head in the game, and if I hate one thing in a prospect, it's lack of consistent effort. I'd rather have a team of Tyler Hansbroughs than a team of Javale McGee's....
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Post#7 » by Moooose » Wed Mar 21, 2012 4:59 am

I hope Tyler Zeller falls to us.
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Post#8 » by Gremz » Wed Mar 21, 2012 6:35 am

Moooose wrote:I hope Tyler Zeller falls to us.


He'll be a lottery pick, simply on his consistency. Other talents have been dropping on mocks yet he keeps rising.

Talent alone I'm looking at Tony Mitchell out of North Texas. He'll be in our range, hopefully falling to us.

Other guys that I wouldn't mind in the 20s are Arnette Moultrie, Marquis Teague, Terrence Ross and (as a project) Fab Melo based on name alone.

I'd like to think Tony Wroten or Kendall Marshall will drop but I just don't see it happening.
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Post#9 » by Moooose » Wed Mar 21, 2012 7:48 am

^ Moultrie could be a lottery pick too.
There's a lot of big men in this draft, i'm really thinking we'll end up with Mason Plumlee.
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Post#10 » by frizzledizzle » Wed Mar 21, 2012 12:07 pm

Scoot McGroot wrote:As of right now, I want nothing to do with Terrence Jones from KY. He just can't seem to get his head in the game, and if I hate one thing in a prospect, it's lack of consistent effort. I'd rather have a team of Tyler Hansbroughs than a team of Javale McGee's....


He had a bad game against Indiana, are you sure that's not the reason you think he's inconsistent? He's been pretty good this season. More consistent than he was as a freshman.

12.6pts(50.2%) 7.2rebs 1.3asts 1.8blks 1.3stls

He could have been a lottery pick last season but he chose to come back because he wanted to win. His scoring is down 3pts but his fg% is up 6% from his freshman year. Look at all the little things he does, it's more than scoring. I think you're confusing being inconsistent with being a team player. When your team is 30-1 during the regular season, you don't need to do more than you're doing. In fact, it would probably hurt the team. He's 3rd in scoring on the team behind Anthony Davis who will be the number one pick in the draft and Doron Lamb who is only scoring more because he's shooting 47.0% from three.

Btw, you think Hansbrough is consistent? He was in college but he's far from it in the NBA. One night he is 6/7 for 15pts 7rebs and the next night he's 0/6 2pts 2rebs. You have to remember that Terrence Jones just turned 20 in January. Hansbrough was 3 years and 2 months older when he was drafted than Jones will be.

One last thing to add. Paul George wasn't exactly a beacon of consistency.
Fr. 34.6mpg 14.3pts 47.0% 44.7%3pt 6.2rebs 1.9ast 1.0blk 1.7stl 2.3to
So. 33.2mpg 16.8pts 42.4% 35.3%3pt 7.2rebs 3.0ast .8blk 2.2stl 3.2to

George was the same age as Terrence Jones coming out(if TJ enters the draft) and his shooting percentage went way down while Jones' has gone way up. The SEC isn't exactly world beaters but Jones is going up against way better talent than George faced in the WAC. We drafted PG on potential and that's what you do with Jones' imo if he's there. Otherwise I think your logic would also have to apply to Paul George and you wanted no part in him based on his inconsistency.
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Post#11 » by Indy2thaWindy » Wed Mar 21, 2012 3:08 pm

I like Terrence but his potential isn't anywhere near Paul's.
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Post#12 » by Scoot McGroot » Wed Mar 21, 2012 3:26 pm

frizzledizzle wrote:
Scoot McGroot wrote:As of right now, I want nothing to do with Terrence Jones from KY. He just can't seem to get his head in the game, and if I hate one thing in a prospect, it's lack of consistent effort. I'd rather have a team of Tyler Hansbroughs than a team of Javale McGee's....


He had a bad game against Indiana, are you sure that's not the reason you think he's inconsistent? He's been pretty good this season. More consistent than he was as a freshman.

12.6pts(50.2%) 7.2rebs 1.3asts 1.8blks 1.3stls

He could have been a lottery pick last season but he chose to come back because he wanted to win. His scoring is down 3pts but his fg% is up 6% from his freshman year. Look at all the little things he does, it's more than scoring. I think you're confusing being inconsistent with being a team player. When your team is 30-1 during the regular season, you don't need to do more than you're doing. In fact, it would probably hurt the team. He's 3rd in scoring on the team behind Anthony Davis who will be the number one pick in the draft and Doron Lamb who is only scoring more because he's shooting 47.0% from three.

Btw, you think Hansbrough is consistent? He was in college but he's far from it in the NBA. One night he is 6/7 for 15pts 7rebs and the next night he's 0/6 2pts 2rebs. You have to remember that Terrence Jones just turned 20 in January. Hansbrough was 3 years and 2 months older when he was drafted than Jones will be.

One last thing to add. Paul George wasn't exactly a beacon of consistency.
Fr. 34.6mpg 14.3pts 47.0% 44.7%3pt 6.2rebs 1.9ast 1.0blk 1.7stl 2.3to
So. 33.2mpg 16.8pts 42.4% 35.3%3pt 7.2rebs 3.0ast .8blk 2.2stl 3.2to

George was the same age as Terrence Jones coming out(if TJ enters the draft) and his shooting percentage went way down while Jones' has gone way up. The SEC isn't exactly world beaters but Jones is going up against way better talent than George faced in the WAC. We drafted PG on potential and that's what you do with Jones' imo if he's there. Otherwise I think your logic would also have to apply to Paul George and you wanted no part in him based on his inconsistency.


Yeah, Terrence Jones' complete abandoning of any effort in his play during the IU game is what sparked this. He hasn't impressed me since.

And I was comparing Hansbrough as work ethic and consistent effort. The production might not be there, but he will no doubt work his butt off, and if he fails, it's on pure talent alone, not on lack of effort. Terrence Jones has all the talent in the world, but I believe he will fail in the NBA within 3 years due to his lack of effort.
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Post#13 » by Scoot McGroot » Wed Mar 21, 2012 3:36 pm

frizzledizzle wrote:
George was the same age as Terrence Jones coming out(if TJ enters the draft) and his shooting percentage went way down while Jones' has gone way up. The SEC isn't exactly world beaters but Jones is going up against way better talent than George faced in the WAC. We drafted PG on potential and that's what you do with Jones' imo if he's there. Otherwise I think your logic would also have to apply to Paul George and you wanted no part in him based on his inconsistency.


Nope. Not talking about consistent production. If you produce consistently in the NBA, you're an All-Star.

I'm talking about consistent effort, and the willingness to work. Paul George had, and still has, a great work ethic. Same for Roy Hibbert. In most cases, it's the reason we fell in love with both players. Paul had potential, and a positive effort/work ethic. Terrence Jones has potential, and questionable effort/work ethic.
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Post#14 » by frizzledizzle » Wed Mar 21, 2012 4:07 pm

Indy2thaWindy wrote:I like Terrence but his potential isn't anywhere near Paul's.


Based on what?

Why do you love Stephenson so much? Bird's comments or his 5* rating? He's looked horrible in both college and pro.

Paul George was 3* in a bad conference. Terrence Jones was 5* and plays on the best team in the country.
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Post#15 » by frizzledizzle » Wed Mar 21, 2012 4:11 pm

I'd like to go into more detail but I'll say this.

I'd trade Tyler Hansbrough tomorrow if we acquired Terrence Jones.

It's nothing personal but one possesses the skills to be elite, the other is almost a 27 year old bench player.

Cousins' mentality was far worse on Kentucky than TJ's. Back in the day I said I'd trade whatever we had to get Cousins and that Wall shouldn't be drafted higher than Cousins. Looking to be the case.

The only dumb thing I said was that I wouldn't trade Hibbert for Cousins. I love Hibbert, that's the only reason I said it. Tyson Chandler has destroyed him. A guy that was great out of high school but never great in the NBA. There are just "it" factors you see in players. I defend Granger but no, he's not a superstar. I've seen the ability in him to do what George Hill does when he goes off. Difference is, Granger is 6'8 and does a bit of everything.

In the end, Paul George isn't that different than Terrance Jones imo. Most of us were pissed when the Pacers drafted him because we didn't know who he was. Nobody should pretend like that isn't true. Only difference is, we know who TJ is. We have these hyped up expectations because he plays for Kentucky. His numbers on a 30-1 #1 seed team are good. You know he would have padded his stats at Fresno St. in the WAC.
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Post#16 » by Indy2thaWindy » Wed Mar 21, 2012 4:21 pm

frizzledizzle wrote:
Indy2thaWindy wrote:I like Terrence but his potential isn't anywhere near Paul's.


Based on what?

Why do you love Stephenson so much? Bird's comments or his 5* rating? He's looked horrible in both college and pro.

Paul George was 3* in a bad conference. Terrence Jones was 5* and plays on the best team in the country.


That's a terrible way to evaluate potential. I was a big fan of Stephenson before Bird ever publicly mentioned his name. I wanted him to start as soon as we drafted him. He has the ability to be one of the best shot creators in the NBA. His size, passing, ball handling, and ability to get around a defender is amazing. It's why I don't get why he is always played offball to Price. Price can't handle the ball at all, can't beat anybody off the dribble, and is best used as an off the ball shooter. Vogel misused him and tried to use Lance like O'Brien used TJ. You don't turn players with no range into off-ball shooters. If Lance doesn't pan out, then he doesn't, but he should at least get a real shot. Not be misused in the worst way possible. You always talk about how he can't shoot, then why use him as a shooter? Why use a player who sucks at dribbling as your primary ball handler? Vogel did everything backwards.
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Post#17 » by Indy2thaWindy » Wed Mar 21, 2012 4:30 pm

frizzledizzle wrote:I'd like to go into more detail but I'll say this.

I'd trade Tyler Hansbrough tomorrow if we acquired Terrence Jones.


Me too. I think Terrence Jones is a rich man's Hansbrough. Much better ball handler, more range, better passer(not saying much), and the ability to play the 3. I think Terrence Jones will end in the same role as Hansbrough, but he's more talented so he has a chance to be an effective starter. I don't see that in Hansbrough. You can knock a players motor all you want, he still has talent.

frizzledizzle wrote:In the end, Paul George isn't that different than Terrance Jones imo. Most of us were pissed when the Pacers drafted him because we didn't know who he was. Nobody should pretend like that isn't true. Only difference is, we know who TJ is. We have these hyped up expectations because he plays for Kentucky. His numbers on a 30-1 #1 seed team are good. You know he would have padded his stats at Fresno St. in the WAC.


Most on here were cool with the pick. We were more relieved that Udoh went #6 and Gordon Hayward went #9 so Bird couldn't take them. At least that's how I remember it. I thought it meant Rush was gone.
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Post#18 » by Scoot McGroot » Wed Mar 21, 2012 5:37 pm

frizzledizzle wrote:I'd like to go into more detail but I'll say this.

I'd trade Tyler Hansbrough tomorrow if we acquired Terrence Jones.

It's nothing personal but one possesses the skills to be elite, the other is almost a 27 year old bench player.

Cousins' mentality was far worse on Kentucky than TJ's. Back in the day I said I'd trade whatever we had to get Cousins and that Wall shouldn't be drafted higher than Cousins. Looking to be the case.

The only dumb thing I said was that I wouldn't trade Hibbert for Cousins. I love Hibbert, that's the only reason I said it. Tyson Chandler has destroyed him. A guy that was great out of high school but never great in the NBA. There are just "it" factors you see in players. I defend Granger but no, he's not a superstar. I've seen the ability in him to do what George Hill does when he goes off. Difference is, Granger is 6'8 and does a bit of everything.

In the end, Paul George isn't that different than Terrance Jones imo. Most of us were pissed when the Pacers drafted him because we didn't know who he was. Nobody should pretend like that isn't true. Only difference is, we know who TJ is. We have these hyped up expectations because he plays for Kentucky. His numbers on a 30-1 #1 seed team are good. You know he would have padded his stats at Fresno St. in the WAC.


If we draft around the #24 or later, I don't really care who we draft. You can afford to take a flier on a risky work ethic kind of guy. However, I'm not sure you understand what I was talking about.

I'm firmly of the belief that for every 10 Terrance Jones, maybe 1 or 2 hit the potential you imagine, 3-4 turn into role players, and the rest just don't play or work hard enough. For every 10 Tyler Hansbrough's, 1 or 2 might become a solid starter, but 4-7 will become rotational players, and the last will wash out on talent alone. Obviously, the Terrance Jones' of the world have infinite more potential, but are infinitely more rare to achieve it. The Tyler Hansbrough's of the world have a much lower ceiling than Terrance Jones, but they also have a higher floor. They're much more likely to work hard and achieve and at least turn into usable ball players.

Any reasons in particular that Tyler Hansbrough has stuck around and wasn't able to?
Any reasons in particular that Danny Granger has stuck around and Shawne Williams wasn't able to?

That's kind of where I'm at.
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Post#19 » by Moooose » Wed Mar 21, 2012 6:29 pm

Meanwhile, i'm starting to like CJ Leslie of NC State.
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Post#20 » by Wizop » Wed Mar 21, 2012 8:50 pm

Scoot McGroot wrote:Any reasons in particular that Tyler Hansbrough has stuck around and wasn't able to?
Any reasons in particular that Danny Granger has stuck around and Shawne Williams wasn't able to?

That's kind of where I'm at.


I'll not name names but its usually a lack of smarts - a poor Wunderlich score (although I don't know whether that particular test is used in the NBA or just the NFL).

p.s. Shawne Williams is still around. took a while for him to grow up but the tall guard who played for us has turned into a decent power forward.
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