Wade's Flagrant Foul

Moooose · Post #1 » by **Moooose** » Wed May 16, 2012 8:38 am

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUMOu12inQk

Should this be a flagrant 2 on Wade? Must we try to tell the league office to review the play?

It is clear that he wasn't going for the ball, shoving Collison instead. That shove was purely intentional.

And the best part is, this is a product of Wade trying to argue a previous no-call, which to me, really wasn't a foul. He just went up straight to Dahntay and wiggled every muscle to initiate contact but to no avail. That's unsportsmanlike. That's stupid.

And you can get whiplash injuries from this kind of fouls.

23artest23 · Post #2 » by **23artest23** » Wed May 16, 2012 10:12 am

It wouldn't disappoint me to change it to a flagrant 2. Quite obviously, Wade was not going for the ball nor making a basketball play. He was livid that he did not get his usual call in the fourth and made a malicious play for no reason in return. Give him the flagrant 2. If this were Ron Artest, he would be suspended. At least nail Wade on the flagrant 2.

jowglenn · Post #3 » by **jowglenn** » Wed May 16, 2012 10:54 am

Well the Pacers front office can ask the league to review this, right? If they don't at least give Wade's foul an upgrade to a flagrant 2, that's absurd. He should get a 1 game suspension.

Either way, we need to dress Fesenko for game 3, insert him somewhere in the 2nd quarter, and have him clobber the hell out of Wade on any drive he makes to the basket. Tit for tat.

Post #4 » by **Gremz** » Wed May 16, 2012 11:23 am

Eh, it has all the making of a flagrant 2.......but it is Wade.

Starkiller · Post #5 » by **Starkiller** » Wed May 16, 2012 12:15 pm

jowglenn wrote:Well the Pacers front office can ask the league to review this, right? If they don't at least give Wade's foul an upgrade to a flagrant 2, that's absurd. He should get a 1 game suspension.

Either way, we need to dress Fesenko for game 3, insert him somewhere in the 2nd quarter, and have him clobber the hell out of Wade on any drive he makes to the basket. Tit for tat.

Yes. I am all for having a goon on the team for that purpose only.

Moooose · Post #6 » by **Moooose** » Wed May 16, 2012 1:19 pm

23artest23 wrote:It wouldn't disappoint me to change it to a flagrant 2. Quite obviously, Wade was not going for the ball nor making a basketball play. He was livid that he did not get his usual call in the fourth and made a malicious play for no reason in return. Give him the flagrant 2. If this were Ron Artest, he would be suspended. At least nail Wade on the flagrant 2.

Exactly. And people have been saying that.
If that's Artest, it'll be an automatic suspension, on the spot. The refs wouldn't even think twice about pulling a flagrant 2 on him.
I don't really understand why the refs didn't think it was flagrant 2 when it happened. I'd get freaking mad if i were Collison, i might give Wade an uppercut for that.

Pacersike · Post #7 » by **Pacersike** » Wed May 16, 2012 1:36 pm

It was bad and unnecessary, but I didn't think it was that bad. Since it was Wade doing it, I'm already glad they called it a flagrant. The commentators had me think they weren't going to call a flagrant.

Moooose · Post #8 » by **Moooose** » Wed May 16, 2012 1:54 pm

Pacersike wrote:It was bad and unnecessary, but I didn't think it was that bad. Since it was Wade doing it, I'm already glad they called it a flagrant. The commentators had me think they weren't going to call a flagrant.

that clearly has to be a flagrant, he's got no other intentions whatsoever other than to shove Collison and argue a previous non-call.
The thing i hope the league office would notice is the severity of the foul and what could've happened to Collison had he crashed hard. It was just fortunate that Collison was able to prevent a drastic crash.

23artest23 · Post #9 » by **23artest23** » Wed May 16, 2012 4:21 pm

Exactly. DC is alright and that is the most important thing. Wade does deserve to be suspended a game, no doubt in my mind. Really doubt it happens though.

madbucky · Post #10 » by **madbucky** » Wed May 16, 2012 9:04 pm

The league ruled that Wade's foul would not be upgraded:
http://espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/2012/st ... grant-foul

That is total BS. First of all, Wade did not "shove" Collison with his hands. Wade drove his shoulder into Collison between the shoulder blades and finished with a forearm shove. That would have been an illegal hit in the NFL (since Collison didn't have the ball).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NXw7VKopmA

Compare that to Jason Smith's foul on Blake Griffin, which was not nearly as bad as Wade's. But Jason got a flagrant 2 and a 2 game suspension.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uSZ-Wjgv1c

I used to be a fan of Wade, but his behavior this year after not getting calls is dangerous and stupid.

FreeRon · Post #11 » by **FreeRon** » Wed May 16, 2012 9:12 pm

Still watching the video to decide if this is defensive holding or pass interference...hard to tell if the hit was before or after the quarterback released it.

Seriously, though, some guy posted that Wade shouldn't be suspended because Granger's bad pass made Collison slow down. Most arguments I saw last night and this morning in Wade's defense were, "Okay, he should have been ejected, but now it should just be a flagrant 2." Now I see most are defending it even being a flagrant 2. There are some really cool Heat fans and everyone's entitled to their opinion so I'm not going to group everyone together, but if you think that wasn't at LEAST a flagrant 2 in today's NBA I'm not sure what you're seeing. And while that probably wouldn't have been a flagrant 2 in the 90's, Wade would have his neck in a cast if he pulled that sissy crap back then. Throw a shoulder into the smallest guy on the court at full speed. What a tough guy.

Pacersike · Post #12 » by **Pacersike** » Wed May 16, 2012 9:55 pm

I forgot Smith got suspended for the same and less severe.
Didn't think it was that bad either, but this is clearly double standards.

Post #13 » by **Gremz** » Thu May 17, 2012 1:54 am

I'd rather beat them with Wade playing.

chube · Post #14 » by **chube** » Thu May 17, 2012 3:24 am

The league reviews all flagrant fouls. Granted, I'm a Pacers fan, but that should've been a suspension. One reason that Jason Smith got suspended and the hit looked as bad as it did was because Griffin was running and more off-balance, and therefore more susceptible to getting hurt after the hit. This was really no different. If anything, it was more dangerous because Collison could've potentially been sent head-first into the basket banister or the row of photographers.

There was zero play on the ball and it was done more than to just deny the fast break. That was clearly to show force, frustration and knock Collison to the floor. Superstar preferential treatment at its best.

Notice not many Heat fans are coming on here to defend Wade? I wonder if they knew they probably got away with one, both in the game and in the league review.

Post #15 » by **Miller4ever** » Thu May 17, 2012 3:39 am

To be fair, Miami fans don't usually come here in the first place.

FreeRon · Post #16 » by **FreeRon** » Thu May 17, 2012 5:11 am

I don't think any of them are defending Wade. Who would defend a player in that situation? He did what he did out of frustration and, from reading their threads, a lot of them seem upset with the way he handles not getting calls. It's a lot like most of us were fed up with JO and Jax always arguing calls while 3 guys tried to play defense. That being said, even if I have something constructive to say or a general question for Heat fans, I won't post on their forum until after the series is over and emotions aren't so high. Nobody over there wants to hear our opinions any more than we want to hear theirs. Even though a good majority of them seem like really classy people, if they came over here trying to defend Wade it could turn into a flame war very quickly.

zapatasblood · Post #17 » by **zapatasblood** » Thu May 17, 2012 5:46 am

Gremz wrote:Eh, it has all the making of a flagrant 2.......but it is Wade.

But it is the Heat and that was a flagrant 2

Moooose · Post #18 » by **Moooose** » Thu May 17, 2012 11:14 am

I used to like Wade a lot.. before Lebron arrived in Miami. He's changed.
I'm all out for suiting up Fesenko in game 3 and make him do what hulk did to Loki.

Mr Loggins · Post #19 » by **Mr Loggins** » Thu May 17, 2012 8:26 pm

Moooose wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUMOu12inQk

Should this be a flagrant 2 on Wade? Must we try to tell the league office to review the play?

It is clear that he wasn't going for the ball, shoving Collison instead. That shove was purely intentional.

And the best part is, this is a product of Wade trying to argue a previous no-call, which to me, really wasn't a foul. He just went up straight to Dahntay and wiggled every muscle to initiate contact but to no avail. That's unsportsmanlike. That's stupid.

And you can get whiplash injuries from this kind of fouls.

Even if you can't spell it, it doesn't mean you should say it. And no, Mooooose, he was not talking about you - Scoot McGroot

druggas · Post #20 » by **druggas** » Thu May 17, 2012 11:25 pm

Just makes you wonder about the fact that it was a playoff game, so no suspension?

Also, if it's just Joe Blow, does he get suspended?

Fact is, it was blatant. It was also premeditated.

I game suspension and he should have got 2.