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More and more chatter around the league about Pacers trying to deal Granger. Is it possible? What can they get? Amico says if they try to trade them, they'll seek a ball handler...

With the Pacers off to a 7-0 start, league execs wonder what Danny Granger‘s role might be when he comes back from injury. With his expiring contract and recent injury history, it seems as if the Pacers would be receptive to moving him. If they do dangle Granger, they’ll probably seek out some backcourt help, specifically someone adept at handling the basketball.

http://www.foxsportsohio.com/story/amic ... eedID=3725

The scenario that is developing in my head is that he gets packaged with G Hill for a PG better at distributing and running an offense. A move for Rondo wouldn't surprise me that much. That sort of move might help create a bit of room to sign Stephenson as well. CJ Watson and Sloan are showing they can cope with the minutes.

A healthy Rondo would make us the #1 contenders without doubt in my mind. But I don't know how he will fit in with the group...

EuroPacer wrote:The scenario that is developing in my head is that he gets packaged with G Hill for a PG better at distributing and running an offense. A move for Rondo wouldn't surprise me that much. That sort of move might help create a bit of room to sign Stephenson as well. CJ Watson and Sloan are showing they can cope with the minutes.

A healthy Rondo would make us the #1 contenders without doubt in my mind. But I don't know how he will fit in with the group...

This has been brought up before but it just doesn't work. Trading Granger for Rondo wouldn't leave us the cap space to resign Lance. Also, a PG who cannot shoot would kill our offense. Our offense doesn't rely on a facilitating PG it relies on the big men, working inside and the wings to be able to hit jump shots. As far as offense goes, a PG like Steve Nash would be good, so long as he doesn't dominate the ball, but Nash kind of has to, however his ball handling and shooting ability is what this offense needs, but his defense would be a black hole and not fit in with our scheme.

As per the topic, nothing really stands out because having sit out so long with injury, Granger has little to no value. Add to the fact that we HAVE to have an expiring back, the only deal I can think of that could help is is Ben Gordon, but Charlotte has no reason to do that considering they are playing well and they wouldn't trade a guy who can play for a guy who may not play the rest of the year, we'd have to add some sweetener.

what can we get begs the question. we really can't afford to take anything back. about the only scenario in which trading him makes sense is if he can't play at all and we can trade him to a team that also has an expiring player who can play and we think that player can bring us wins and the other team thinks moving him can bring them ping pong balls.

we're much better off if Danny is healthy enough to play 24 to 30 minutes of decent ball and be the #1 option on our second unit. I think the summer question of whether Lance or a healthy Danny should start has been answered. not only does Lance fit in well as as a complimentary player on the first unit, but he's not yet ready for the pressure of being the first option on the second unit. we need someone to be that second unit leader and Danny is the logical choice. if he isn't healthy enough to take it, Scola must step up and take the pressure off of Lance. as it happens I saw Vogel at the Colts game yesterday and told him just that. Frank's answer was to say things were coming along which I took as both a recognition that it was early in the season and a desire not to be negative about anything in public.

EuroPacer wrote:The scenario that is developing in my head is that he gets packaged with G Hill for a PG better at distributing and running an offense. A move for Rondo wouldn't surprise me that much. That sort of move might help create a bit of room to sign Stephenson as well. CJ Watson and Sloan are showing they can cope with the minutes.

A healthy Rondo would make us the #1 contenders without doubt in my mind. But I don't know how he will fit in with the group...

It does the opposite. It uses an additional $3-4m in cap room and makes it a certainty that Lance is gone.

If you want to clear cap room for next year, you have to move someone with a contract for next year that is higher than a league minimum. Sloan and OJ are so cheap that their replacements would be the same. Solo's on a late 1st round rookie deal. Scola is only $2.5m guaranteed (or so, according to Larry Coon and Tim at 8pts9sec). So, the contracts you could move to help fiscally would be Ian ($4m), Copeland ($3m), and Watson ($2m).

Or, as sacrilegious as it may sound, if we can win it all, maybe West retires and clears his salary off the books. At that point, you re-sign Lance, Danny, and use the MLE to fill out the roster with Scola taking over the 4 and Copeland backing him up. Essentially, if West retires, all our fiscal constraints disappear. But that's a big question and a long way off, and still debatable if it's worth it.


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His value is low right now with the injuries. I hope they dont trade him. Hopefully he can come back and provide 10-15 a game with solid defense.

Grang33r wrote:More and more chatter around the league about Pacers trying to deal Granger. Is it possible? What can they get? Amico says if they try to trade them, they'll seek a ball handler...

With the Pacers off to a 7-0 start, league execs wonder what Danny Granger‘s role might be when he comes back from injury. With his expiring contract and recent injury history, it seems as if the Pacers would be receptive to moving him. If they do dangle Granger, they’ll probably seek out some backcourt help, specifically someone adept at handling the basketball.

http://www.foxsportsohio.com/story/amic ... eedID=3725

I forgot this the first time, but Amico has some of the worst track record of throwing stuff against the wall. Vescey-ish. I think he's a good reporter, but that he's willing to report anything he's heard without corroboration or if something's at the earliest, most theoretical point.


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DISCOURAGEMENT

our CHEMISTRY is too strong right know, dont trade him..... yet

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Or, as sacrilegious as it may sound, if we can win it all, maybe West retires and clears his salary off the books. At that point, you re-sign Lance, Danny, and use the MLE to fill out the roster with Scola taking over the 4 and Copeland backing him up. Essentially, if West retires, all our fiscal constraints disappear. But that's a big question and a long way off, and still debatable if it's worth it.


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David West would be walking away from how much money were he to retire at the end of this season? He would get traded before he would retire. Neither scenario is very likely. If they make a move to create cap space it will involve Copeland or Scola and a 2016 1st.

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Scoot McGroot wrote:
Or, as sacrilegious as it may sound, if we can win it all, maybe West retires and clears his salary off the books. At that point, you re-sign Lance, Danny, and use the MLE to fill out the roster with Scola taking over the 4 and Copeland backing him up. Essentially, if West retires, all our fiscal constraints disappear. But that's a big question and a long way off, and still debatable if it's worth it.


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David West would be walking away from how much money were he to retire at the end of this season? He would get traded before he would retire. Neither scenario is very likely. If they make a move to create cap space it will involve Copeland or Scola and a 2016 1st.

At retirement, it's up to the team to pay them Or not, but their salary would clear off the cap. But at a certain point, it's not just giving up money or not, it's putting in heavy work for 9-11months a year in order to get the money. For some people, maybe 2 years is worth giving up if they're ready to spend time with their kids. Just hypothetical, of course, but most NBA players retire mid contract and "give up money".


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If David West elected to retire at the end of this season and the Pacers elected to pay him the rest of the money on his contract wouldn't that be something like 26 million. Whether he walked away and got paid or walked away and didn't, either scenario would be pretty unpresedented.....I think.

West has never had the huge payday (by NBA standards). I'm guessing he wants every bit of what's on that contract. I certainly would were I in his position.

8305 wrote:If David West elected to retire at the end of this season and the Pacers elected to pay him the rest of the money on his contract wouldn't that be something like 26 million. Whether he walked away and got paid or walked away and didn't, either scenario would be pretty unpresedented.....I think.

West has never had the huge payday (by NBA standards). I'm guessing he wants every bit of what's on that contract. I certainly would were I in his position.

And he'd have to put in a ton if work to get it, while following any demand of the team. Maybe, just maybe (not saying it's likely), he'd rather take the tons of money he's already made and spend some time with his family while not putting himself through the grind of a year of work?

Maybe I see it a bit differently for this reason; my father passed away suddenly from cancer last Christmas. Diagnosed only a week before we put him in the hospital. He was on life support for a couple days before he passed. He had worked many years to try and get the best retirement package from his company, but they closed his plant before he could reach it. He had an offer to work in Alabama for 2-3 more years to hit the "super retirement" package and he almost took it. However, mom made him not take it. Ultimately, he retired, and lived about 3 years and got to see his 1st grandchild and enjoy his life for a bit. Had he taken "the big payday", he would have retired only a few months before he died. I like to think that he would have retired even earlier had he known what was to beset him. Now, I can't fault people at all for wanting to spend more time with their family. He'll be 34 when next season starts, later than most NBA players ever see. He'll have also earned over $75m in career earnings after this season is over. Could that be enough for him? Possibly. May he want to stick around and play longer? Probably. But for a guy like West, I doubt it would be the salary that brings him back, but his desire to keep playing or to keep winning.


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Getting Rondo will require more than Granger and Hill. We will probably have to give up Solo and a 1st along with them.

The West retirement talk is pretty far fetched.

Not for sure what Granger would net us. I think the Pacers would be better off with any production we get from him this year and letting him walk in the offseason.

Charcoal Filtered wrote:The West retirement talk is pretty far fetched.

Not for sure what Granger would net us. I think the Pacers would be better off with any production we get from him this year and letting him walk in the offseason.

Pretty far fetched in that it was a complete theoretical from the beginning, then yes.


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First, let me say that I have always thought that Granger seemed like a good citizen and a team player. It is a real shame that he hasn't been able to come back yet. I really thought that he and Scola would be the players to push the Pacers over the top this year.

If he could come back soon and play 20 games or more and look really good, then I think a lot of teams might be interested in him. But if he looked good, the Pacers wouldn't want to trade him.

If he comes back and looks pretty bad, or just can't get back in a game for a long time, I am not sure he would have much trade value. Maybe just to a team looking for an expiring contract. But then they would have to have something the Pacers needed.

Probably best to hope that he can come back soon and slowly work himself back into shape, and the rotation, by the playoffs. If he is able to do that, things could still work out well. Really, it is just too early to do anything now. Let's just see how things go in the next month.

Its to bad the pacers are probably going to have to let him go. I know hes injured and this is a business but its just gonna be sad the day he leaves the pacers. He been with them through thick an thin but at the end of the day its what's good for business

Agree entirely, I would love it if he agreed to play out the rest of his career on a MLE or vetmin, but I don't want to ask him to make that sacrifice, he can probably still get a bit more than that elsewhere.

if no one else will pay him more than the minimum, we could probably pay more than that for an assistant coach or front office job.