Lance Stephenson Plan B

8305 · Post #1 » by **8305** » Sun Jun 29, 2014 12:22 pm

Gotta think it's happening within the Pacer front office right now. What's the plan if we don't resign Lance?

My first call would be to Shaun Livingston. I like that he potentially allows George Hiil to play the 2 while still guarding the point. Wish he was a better shooter but I love that he's another multiple position defender. He's never had an NBA payday but at his age I'm not sure what salary he commands.

Post #2 » by **Scoot McGroot** » Sun Jun 29, 2014 2:28 pm

Livingstons a good call. Would probably cost somewhere between the taxpayer MLE that Brooklyn can afford and the full MLE we could.

Good call on a PG, too. Especially a tall rangy one that could complement George Hill well. Obviously, we could shift George Hill back to SG and play a bigger PG next to him to replace some of the offense lost with Lance.

Otherwise, if we want to keep Hill at the PG spot, I think Thabo Sefalosha is a decent add. None of the offense from Lance, but ALL of the defense. A bit of a 3 pt shooter now, too, if I recall.

Other somewhat realistic names? Al Farouq-Aminu. Trevor Ariza. Vince Carter. Xavier Henry. Wes Johnson. CJ Miles. Mike Miller. Ramon Sessions. Highly doubt, but maybe he wants back, Danny Granger?

Pie in the sky, dreaming, maybe they hate the Heat so much they'll take the MLE to compete against them? Luol Deng and Paul Pierce.

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Post #3 » by **Jake0890** » Sun Jun 29, 2014 3:43 pm

Didn't Deng get traded because he wanted some absurd contract from the Bulls? I don't think he'll ever sign for the MLE.

Pierce though, maybe. The Brooklyn experiment has failed and if Ray Allen went ring chasing, why shouldn't he?

Moooose · Post #4 » by **Moooose** » Sun Jun 29, 2014 3:53 pm

If we don't get to re-sign Lance, i'd want Sefolosha as the replacement. Livingston is a good add but Sefolosha brings elite level defense on the wings. And then maybe add Jodie Meeks as an insurance back-up or as someone who can start for us if we need more offense.

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Post #5 » by **Scoot McGroot** » Sun Jun 29, 2014 5:23 pm

Jake0890 wrote:Didn't Deng get traded because he wanted some absurd contract from the Bulls? I don't think he'll ever sign for the MLE.

Pierce though, maybe. The Brooklyn experiment has failed and if Ray Allen went ring chasing, why shouldn't he?

Yeah, I mentioned both as our in the sky guys. Deng was dealt both because of salary hopes on his new contract, and merely for value, as Chicago didn't think they were going anywhere at the time, as well as to get under the luxury tax line last season, which they BARELY did.

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Post #6 » by **Scoot McGroot** » Sun Jun 29, 2014 9:56 pm

E'twan Moore just got his qualifying offer turned down (as a courtesy after the drafting if Elfrid Payton in Orlando). Could be a consideration as another Pg body if we move Hill to SG.

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Post #7 » by **Jake0890** » Sun Jun 29, 2014 10:11 pm

E'Twaun went to my high school, and I think it'd be cool to have him on the Pacers, but I wouldn't trust him to play more than just spot minutes on a minimum contract. I wouldn't trust him to handle a lot of PG minutes.

In any case, he's just as much of a combo guard as Hill is. Definitely no floor general.

chube · Post #8 » by **chube** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 2:28 am

I'm still saying Kyle Lowry as Plan B. He would command roughly what Lance would salary-wise and would cause the same ripple effect as Livingston in terms of moving Hill to the 2-spot. Plus, he's a true point guard and is another playmaker on offense. A lot of people are trying to label the 2013-14 season as the contract year phenomenon for Lowry, which is always a slight concern, but I like Lowry if Lance isn't back.

chube · Post #9 » by **chube** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 2:36 am

Also, what I'm about to say is in no way a "Plan B" but if we're looking for that sharp-shooting wing off the bench (a la Jodie Meeks/Anthony Morrow that I've seen thrown around) whatever happened to Kelenna Azubuike? He tore an ACL and hasn't really been heard of since, but he showed the ability to pour it in. At this point, he'd be worth a NGC on a minimum deal at only 30 years old.

Post #10 » by **Scoot McGroot** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 3:57 am

chube wrote:I'm still saying Kyle Lowry as Plan B. He would command roughly what Lance would salary-wise and would cause the same ripple effect as Livingston in terms of moving Hill to the 2-spot. Plus, he's a true point guard and is another playmaker on offense. A lot of people are trying to label the 2013-14 season as the contract year phenomenon for Lowry, which is always a slight concern, but I like Lowry if Lance isn't back.

Lowry is an A-Level free agent this offseason, and will likely make more than Lance, and do so in Miami.

As to Kelenna Azubuike....he's simply physically done. He tried to come back after a torn patella tendon, and he just couldn't make it through even a portion of a season. He's only been healthy enough to play in 13 total games since 2009. He's apparently doing christian music and movies now. Also, real estate. Because aren't all former athletes into real estate?

8305 · Post #11 » by **8305** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 12:03 pm

Has the Danny Granger ship sailed? It seemed to me that in all three playoff series we needed a guy who could step out and guard a stretch 4. I think Granger's future is as a stretch 4. He wouldn't be my first priority but if we had any money left after finding a more a more direct replacement for Lance he'd be on the radar screen.

Post #12 » by **Scoot McGroot** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 1:53 pm

8305 wrote:Has the Danny Granger ship sailed? It seemed to me that in all three playoff series we needed a guy who could step out and guard a stretch 4. I think Granger's future is as a stretch 4. He wouldn't be my first priority but if we had any money left after finding a more a more direct replacement for Lance he'd be on the radar screen.

He's moved on, yes. He has a player option for this year in LA, and I'm not sure if he exercised it or not. Haven't heard anything either way.

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Kuq_e_Zi91 · Post #13 » by **Kuq_e_Zi91** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 2:25 pm

Brandon Rush is also out there as a "3 & D" kind of guy. Maybe it'll be different this time around without "he who shall not be named." We should be able to get him at a great price too.

Moooose · Post #14 » by **Moooose** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 2:43 pm

Scoot McGroot wrote:
8305 wrote:Has the Danny Granger ship sailed? It seemed to me that in all three playoff series we needed a guy who could step out and guard a stretch 4. I think Granger's future is as a stretch 4. He wouldn't be my first priority but if we had any money left after finding a more a more direct replacement for Lance he'd be on the radar screen.

He's moved on, yes. He has a player option for this year in LA, and I'm not sure if he exercised it or not. Haven't heard anything either way.

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If i can remember correctly, him and Glen Davis are opting out. I think it was on wiretap some weeks ago.

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Post #15 » by **Scoot McGroot** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 6:25 pm

Kuq_e_Zi91 wrote:Brandon Rush is also out there as a "3 & D" kind of guy. Maybe it'll be different this time around without "he who shall not be named." We should be able to get him at a great price too.

Bird's still in charge, and he's not one to re acquire a guy he completely gave up on like Rush.

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8305 · Post #16 » by **8305** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 7:55 pm

Rodney Stuckey is a ball handling 2 who has had some decent pay days. He could be a candidate to sacrifice a little in salary to go to a contending team. If we don't go point guard Stuckey could be a reasonable complement to George Hill at the point.

Indy4Life · Post #17 » by **Indy4Life** » Mon Jun 30, 2014 11:55 pm

I believe we will sign Lance, and that is good with me.

However, having Lance and George along with West and Hibbert is a poor offensive combination. Having two guys clog the paint really prohibits the biggest strength in Lance's game...beating his man off the dribble and getting in the lane.

I would consider moving West or Hibbert for a true stretch player. If we are committed to West and Hibbert, then why sign Lance? We would be better with JJ Redick if we are keeping the middle men...

Post #18 » by **Jake0890** » Tue Jul 1, 2014 12:16 am

Jameer Nelson has been waived and is now a free agent. I'd love to have him.

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SmashMouthRod · Post #19 » by **SmashMouthRod** » Tue Jul 1, 2014 2:17 am

Jake0890 wrote:Jameer Nelson has been waived and is now a free agent. I'd love to have him.

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I thought the same thing; immediately when I saw it. He has been to the NBA finals; and plenty of playoff experience. Also plays lights out in clutch situations. A 7 assists a game guy would be nice for Indys offense.

MillerTheKiller · Post #20 » by **MillerTheKiller** » Tue Jul 1, 2014 4:04 am

What about picking up Chalmers?