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http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/235418/Lakers-Among-Teams-Interested-In-Quincy-Miller

Saw this on the wiretap. Signing him would mean we have to cut one guy off the team, right?

I kinda like his ceiling, more than Solomon Hill's.

I wish we could've gave Cj Fair more of a chance.


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Sign him and cut Scola.

pacers33granger wrote:Sign him and cut Scola.

Boy, you're one Lavoy Allen tweaked ankle away from David West playing 48 minutes a night. Scola gets hate, but he's not cut worthy.

Scoot McGroot wrote:

pacers33granger wrote:Sign him and cut Scola.

Boy, you're one Lavoy Allen tweaked ankle away from David West playing 48 minutes a night. Scola gets hate, but he's not cut worthy.

Yes he is. He's been detrimental to the team. Cope plays PF defense better than Scola and is worlds better than him offensively. And we'd still have Rudez and Whittington to play PF. We'd be more than fine.

pacers33granger wrote:

Scoot McGroot wrote:

pacers33granger wrote:Sign him and cut Scola.

Boy, you're one Lavoy Allen tweaked ankle away from David West playing 48 minutes a night. Scola gets hate, but he's not cut worthy.

Yes he is. He's been detrimental to the team. Cope plays PF defense better than Scola and is worlds better than him offensively. And we'd still have Rudez and Whittington to play PF. We'd be more than fine.

I don't know that the plan was ever to play Whittington this year. He's probably a 2-3 year project. And if Scola is cut-worthy, what is Rudez?

Scoot McGroot wrote:

pacers33granger wrote:

Scoot McGroot wrote:

Boy, you're one Lavoy Allen tweaked ankle away from David West playing 48 minutes a night. Scola gets hate, but he's not cut worthy.

Yes he is. He's been detrimental to the team. Cope plays PF defense better than Scola and is worlds better than him offensively. And we'd still have Rudez and Whittington to play PF. We'd be more than fine.

I don't know that the plan was ever to play Whittington this year. He's probably a 2-3 year project. And if Scola is cut-worthy, what is Rudez?

I'd be in favor of getting rid of Rudez as well, but Bird signed him for 3 years. I really wish we would have just picked up someone like Jeff Adrien (still can technically).

The only issue I have with cutting Scola is that Simon would still owe him money. I don't personally care, but I know throwing away money is a huge deal for the team.

Ultimately I think we'd be more than fine at the backup PF spot if we did cut him though. It's not like he does anything to really help the team win and I'm convinced most 10 day contract guys could learn the defensive system better than he can. Current Scola is no different and maybe worse than current Carlos Boozer and he's widely known as one of the worst rotation PF in the league right now.

pacers33granger wrote:

Scoot McGroot wrote:

pacers33granger wrote:
Yes he is. He's been detrimental to the team. Cope plays PF defense better than Scola and is worlds better than him offensively. And we'd still have Rudez and Whittington to play PF. We'd be more than fine.

I don't know that the plan was ever to play Whittington this year. He's probably a 2-3 year project. And if Scola is cut-worthy, what is Rudez?

I'd be in favor of getting rid of Rudez as well, but Bird signed him for 3 years. I really wish we would have just picked up someone like Jeff Adrien (still can technically).

The only issue I have with cutting Scola is that Simon would still owe him money. I don't personally care, but I know throwing away money is a huge deal for the team.

Ultimately I think we'd be more than fine at the backup PF spot if we did cut him though. It's not like he does anything to really help the team win and I'm convinced most 10 day contract guys could learn the defensive system better than he can. Current Scola is no different and maybe worse than current Carlos Boozer and he's widely known as one of the worst rotation PF in the league right now.

Can't sign 10 day contracts until much later in the season.

Scoot McGroot wrote:

pacers33granger wrote:

Scoot McGroot wrote:
I don't know that the plan was ever to play Whittington this year. He's probably a 2-3 year project. And if Scola is cut-worthy, what is Rudez?

I'd be in favor of getting rid of Rudez as well, but Bird signed him for 3 years. I really wish we would have just picked up someone like Jeff Adrien (still can technically).

The only issue I have with cutting Scola is that Simon would still owe him money. I don't personally care, but I know throwing away money is a huge deal for the team.

Ultimately I think we'd be more than fine at the backup PF spot if we did cut him though. It's not like he does anything to really help the team win and I'm convinced most 10 day contract guys could learn the defensive system better than he can. Current Scola is no different and maybe worse than current Carlos Boozer and he's widely known as one of the worst rotation PF in the league right now.

Can't sign 10 day contracts until much later in the season.

I was merely speaking to how I would expect a normal 10 day contract guy to have picked up more of the defense within that 10 days than Scola has in over a year.

pacers33granger wrote:

Scoot McGroot wrote:

pacers33granger wrote:
I'd be in favor of getting rid of Rudez as well, but Bird signed him for 3 years. I really wish we would have just picked up someone like Jeff Adrien (still can technically).

The only issue I have with cutting Scola is that Simon would still owe him money. I don't personally care, but I know throwing away money is a huge deal for the team.

Ultimately I think we'd be more than fine at the backup PF spot if we did cut him though. It's not like he does anything to really help the team win and I'm convinced most 10 day contract guys could learn the defensive system better than he can. Current Scola is no different and maybe worse than current Carlos Boozer and he's widely known as one of the worst rotation PF in the league right now.

Can't sign 10 day contracts until much later in the season.

I was merely speaking to how I would expect a normal 10 day contract guy to have picked up more of the defense within that 10 days than Scola has in over a year.

I get ya. I only responded to that because I think I saw another reference elsewhere on this forum in the last week. Sorry.


Otherwise, Scola has played like, well, only ok, at best. Steaming junk, at worst. But, it's only 3 games into an 82 game season, and we're missing a TON of guys. I just can't summon up hatred or even strong feelings based on such a small, and awkward, sample size.

Scoot McGroot wrote:

Otherwise, Scola has played like, well, only ok, at best. Steaming junk, at worst. But, it's only 3 games into an 82 game season, and we're missing a TON of guys. I just can't summon up hatred or even strong feelings based on such a small, and awkward, sample size.

I get where you're coming from. I'm just tired of Scola already this year mainly because I see the same issues as last year. Early last year I thought it was because he was adjusting to being a backup and felt the need to press. But anytime West has been out and he's started, he's played exactly the same way.

And for all the praise he gets for having high Bball IQ, he doesn't tend to play with it. He's consistently open for those jumpers because teams want him taking those. Just like Robert Sacre can have an open mid range jumper anytime he wants.

I really just feel the only reason he's getting minutes still is because of reputation and what we gave up to get him. I'm also just not concerned about our current depth issues, but that's likely more because I'd prefer to get a nice lotto pick instead of shooting for a 1st round exit.

pacers33granger wrote:

Scoot McGroot wrote:

Otherwise, Scola has played like, well, only ok, at best. Steaming junk, at worst. But, it's only 3 games into an 82 game season, and we're missing a TON of guys. I just can't summon up hatred or even strong feelings based on such a small, and awkward, sample size.

I get where you're coming from. I'm just tired of Scola already this year mainly because I see the same issues as last year. Early last year I thought it was because he was adjusting to being a backup and felt the need to press. But anytime West has been out and he's started, he's played exactly the same way.

And for all the praise he gets for having high Bball IQ, he doesn't tend to play with it. He's consistently open for those jumpers because teams want him taking those. Just like Robert Sacre can have an open mid range jumper anytime he wants.

I really just feel the only reason he's getting minutes still is because of reputation and what we gave up to get him. I'm also just not concerned about our current depth issues, but that's likely more because I'd prefer to get a nice lotto pick instead of shooting for a 1st round exit.

I understand where ur coming from there I don't see the point in this team really putting 100% effort out there when at the very best it'll be a first round exit I'd rather a top 10 pick so we can have another super star with PG

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Scoot McGroot wrote:Can't sign 10 day contracts until much later in the season.

no need. you can sign non-guaranteed contracts now. after some date anyone still on your roster becomes guaranteed and then 10 day contracts come into play to give teams a way to do non-guaranteed tests.

I like the idea of using this year to look at young players. Problem is we don't have any to speak of. Quincy Miller was an interesting guy coming out of college, an even more interesting guy coming out of high school. Is he the best young unattached prospect out there? Or is there some potential solid role player at the NBDL level who would be a better investment of the Pacer's time? I think I saw that Ish Smith is available. We clearly need help at pg right now. An open roster spot looks like it would be a nice thing to have right now and I'm surprised we didn't organize that way going in.

At some point it seems to me Luis Scola is expendable. Could the team get more long term benefit from test driving some young guys this year than from the games Luis Scola could individually impact?

Depending on if the season gets out of hand, I see Scola being one of those guys to be bought out and allowed to sign with another team. Basketball-wise of course, but maybe not something simon would like financially


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8305 wrote:We clearly need help at pg right now. An open roster spot looks like it would be a nice thing to have right now and I'm surprised we didn't organize that way going in.

AJ Price was just cut. as for the roster spot, we must like the big we kept.

Am I wrong in thinking that technically we could have PG13 not count as a roster spot? I quite like the idea of seeing AJ Price in a Pacers uniform again, the kid did a decent job filling in for injured John Wall last year (or was it the year before?).

EuroPacer wrote:Am I wrong in thinking that technically we could have PG13 not count as a roster spot? I quite like the idea of seeing AJ Price in a Pacers uniform again, the kid did a decent job filling in for injured John Wall last year (or was it the year before?).

Without waiving PG13 and allowing him to be a free agent, while maintaining his entire 5 year contract against our cap, he counts as a roster spot.

AJ Price is pretty awful now, though. One of the worst shooters in the league, and not really a great director of the game, anymore.


Otherwise, just because they're OUR young guys doesn't mean the one's out there in free agency are automatically better. Whittington, Sloan, Hill, and Lavoy are our young guys, and all will get looks. Heck, Rudez would *count* too, as he's a rookie, though not young.

Remember, even though Quincy Miller had the highest guaranteed money of the borderline guys, he's the one they waived. They were willing to pay more to send him out. Ish Smith has bounced around a lot too. I'd venture to say that Whittington/Allen and Sloan are just as useful prospects right now at their positions than most any free agent available to sign right now.

Ah right, I thought there was some sort of provision for long-term injuries.

I suppose you are right about the guys on our team deserving a bit of time, it is easy to overlook the fact that Sloan is only in his fourth year (fifth team) same for Lavoy who is also in his fourth year. Rudez needs to get used to the NBA (provided he can!) and Whittington could be an interesting cheerleader on the bench - anybody else noticed he is always the first up?