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Who would you like to see us get with this pick?
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Wizop wrote:Kaminski, Grant, Lyles, or the small school one whose name is slipping my mind.
Cameron Payne?
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Myles Turner?
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WCS will probably move up the ladder once the private workouts begin. I am not convinced that Myles Turner could become faster as he is now. Though he can move, he still lacks the athleticism you'd want for a big man.
If not WCS, I'd rather go Kaminsky than Myles Turner.
If not WCS, I'd rather go Kaminsky than Myles Turner.
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Scoot McGroot wrote:Wizop wrote:Kaminski, Grant, Lyles, or the small school one whose name is slipping my mind.
Cameron Payne?
Yup. Thanks for the prompt.
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My preference will continually change but as of right now I like Stanley Johnson, Frank Kaminsky, Lyles, or possibly even Devin Booker.
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I'm sure things will change dramatically once teams start working out guys, but if Bird wants Payne I'd hope we try and trade down since it looks like (for now) he'll be available closer to 20.
If we get Kaminsky I won't be pleased. Another reach in the lotto and I'm not sold on him being more than a bench big. We don't need an NBA ready big. I'd much prefer to get someone like Portis, Turner, etc. and have West/Scola mentor them for a season or two.
If we get Kaminsky I won't be pleased. Another reach in the lotto and I'm not sold on him being more than a bench big. We don't need an NBA ready big. I'd much prefer to get someone like Portis, Turner, etc. and have West/Scola mentor them for a season or two.
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Bird and Vogel made it sound like we are going smaller next year, with PG often at the 4. I will believe it when I see it. The draft could be very indicative of how that turns out.
To make it to the finals we obviously have to beat LeBron. PG showed he could score and guard LeBron (as much as anyone can). PG is younger than LeBron, but can he guard him and still have the energy to play 40 minutes and get 25, 7.5, and 5? I guess that's a long way of me saying do we go for a guy who can guard LeBron or a guard who can score?
If PG goes to the 4 we need a rim protector, too. And Hibbert's days are limited. If we get Kaminsky we will have to win a lot of 120-116 games.
To make it to the finals we obviously have to beat LeBron. PG showed he could score and guard LeBron (as much as anyone can). PG is younger than LeBron, but can he guard him and still have the energy to play 40 minutes and get 25, 7.5, and 5? I guess that's a long way of me saying do we go for a guy who can guard LeBron or a guard who can score?
If PG goes to the 4 we need a rim protector, too. And Hibbert's days are limited. If we get Kaminsky we will have to win a lot of 120-116 games.
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We don't need to trade up to 3 to get Cauley-Stein. If we move up that high I think we'd go for someone else.
I heard this on a podcast, maybe Simmons or Zach Lowe. Anyways, this person mentioned the Heat trading us 10 for CJ Miles. Miles has a great contract and was one of the best 3 pt shooters in the entire league. But hypothetically, of course, what pick do you guys think the 10 and 11 could bring in? I'm higher on 6 or 7 guys and then more in the late teens and 20s. Then again we got PG at 10, so what so I know.
I heard this on a podcast, maybe Simmons or Zach Lowe. Anyways, this person mentioned the Heat trading us 10 for CJ Miles. Miles has a great contract and was one of the best 3 pt shooters in the entire league. But hypothetically, of course, what pick do you guys think the 10 and 11 could bring in? I'm higher on 6 or 7 guys and then more in the late teens and 20s. Then again we got PG at 10, so what so I know.
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There's no way we get 10 for Miles. Maybe if Riley didn't really like anyone there and we added a future first, but then I still kind of doubt it.
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pacers33granger wrote:There's no way we get 10 for Miles. Maybe if Riley didn't really like anyone there and we added a future first, but then I still kind of doubt it.
I hadn't thought about it til I heard it on a podcast. It was an impartial observer making the claim. They said with Dragic, Wade, Deng, Bosh, and Whiteside they have a really good team. And that if they want to compete they need a 3 point shooter and Wade and Bosh aren't getting any younger.
And CJ is locked up at about 4.5 mill per year for 2 years (then a player option). Not bad for a guy who hit 154 3s in 70 games. He shot just under 35% from 3, but close to 40% since the all-star break.
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Turner, Payne, Kaminsky in no particular order. I feel like my answer is boring.
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chatard5 wrote:pacers33granger wrote:There's no way we get 10 for Miles. Maybe if Riley didn't really like anyone there and we added a future first, but then I still kind of doubt it.
I hadn't thought about it til I heard it on a podcast. It was an impartial observer making the claim. They said with Dragic, Wade, Deng, Bosh, and Whiteside they have a really good team. And that if they want to compete they need a 3 point shooter and Wade and Bosh aren't getting any younger.
And CJ is locked up at about 4.5 mill per year for 2 years (then a player option). Not bad for a guy who hit 154 3s in 70 games. He shot just under 35% from 3, but close to 40% since the all-star break.
Maybe they meant CJ Miles and #11 for Josh McRoberts and #10?
Ultimately, I like CJ Miles, and view him as a keeper. But he doesn't have value to net a pick by himself earlier than around 25 (and only that if it's a perfect fit for a team and we take another long term deal). He has NOWHERE near enough value to get a lotto pick, let alone #10.
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I'm anticipating 1-4 to be some combination of Towns, Okafor, Mudiay, and Russell. After that, I'd have no issue with ANY of:
Porzingis, Hezonja, Winslow, Johnson, Oubre, WCS, Turner, Kaminsky, Payne or Grant (depending on who works out better), Dekker, Booker, Lyles, Portis, and maybe even Looney. Sure, it's really early, and things will shake out, but I see us having George Hill and Paul George as our only true long-term starters, and Miles and Solo Hill as long-term role players. With all 4 of them being flexible in terms of positions, I just don't see any one MUST HAVE, nor any DON'T TAKE. Take a natural 1, and we can play Hill at the 2. Take a natural 2 and they slot inbetween Hill and George. Take a natural 3, and we play them on the wing with PG. Take a 4 or 5, and they go in easy.
Porzingis, Hezonja, Winslow, Johnson, Oubre, WCS, Turner, Kaminsky, Payne or Grant (depending on who works out better), Dekker, Booker, Lyles, Portis, and maybe even Looney. Sure, it's really early, and things will shake out, but I see us having George Hill and Paul George as our only true long-term starters, and Miles and Solo Hill as long-term role players. With all 4 of them being flexible in terms of positions, I just don't see any one MUST HAVE, nor any DON'T TAKE. Take a natural 1, and we can play Hill at the 2. Take a natural 2 and they slot inbetween Hill and George. Take a natural 3, and we play them on the wing with PG. Take a 4 or 5, and they go in easy.
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I'm changing my previous statement. I want Grant ahead of Kaminsky. It'd be intriguing to play the game with two 1.5's so to speak.
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I'm really liking the looks of Myles Turner.
7'0", 239lb. 7'4" wingspan and a 9'4" standing reach.
Can block shots, score and is a great rebounder.
7'0", 239lb. 7'4" wingspan and a 9'4" standing reach.
Can block shots, score and is a great rebounder.
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chatard5 wrote:Bird and Vogel made it sound like we are going smaller next year, with PG often at the 4. I will believe it when I see it. The draft could be very indicative of how that turns out.
To make it to the finals we obviously have to beat LeBron. PG showed he could score and guard LeBron (as much as anyone can).
Which means to me that PG has to match up with LeBron wherever he plays. If PG is going to play the 4 when LeBron plays there, it makes sense for the team to play that lineup regularly through the season so everyone is comfortable with small ball.
as for Kaminsky, I wonder if he can play center against teams like Atlanta who have centers with 3 point range. now I know one center who definitely can do that as he easily switched onto guards in college and that's WCS. perhaps that is why Bird made such a glowing comment about him. do we have anything we could trade to the Knicks who want out of the 4? of course 4 might be too high for WCS but maybe there is a three team trade that could be worked as what the Knicks really want is a player and we don't really have a spare starter other than West and Hibbert. if we can't get a big that can defend the arc, I say go for a point guard and yes, I think we could trade down and still get Grant or Payne. and there is also Lyles who should be available a little lower and he defended the three in college.
I chuckled when I read that Payne thought he'd play with with GHill. confidence is nice but if he's a Pacer next year, he's going to be playing with Stuckey on the second unit and not with Hill on the first unit. I think either Grant or Payne would fit will with Stuckey.
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MillerTheKiller wrote:I'm really liking the looks of Myles Turner.
7'0", 239lb. 7'4" wingspan and a 9'4" standing reach.
Can block shots, score and is a great rebounder.
He measures well, but I'm really concerned with the awkward "hitch" in his run. It really limits his mobility and effectiveness. Honestly, he's a younger Hibbert right now, unless that hitch straightens out and he moves better because of it.