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I know Bird was high Caulry-Stein and wanted to get thoughts on the potential of trading up and what the Pacers could offer in that scenario.

pacerfan1984 wrote:I know Bird was high Caulry-Stein and wanted to get thoughts on the potential of trading up and what the Pacers could offer in that scenario.

Well, in terms of tradeable pieces that we have that a team higher in the lottery (i.e., not exactly "win now" teams) would want are very low.

Hibbert, Hill, CJ Miles, Ian Mahinmi, and West, while having trade value, doesn't do much to convince a team in the top 10 to trade down, as he's only under contract for one year, and those teams are much younger, and further from competing than just a Pacers vet.

Solo Hill? While a nice fit for us, would have trouble jumping us more than around a pick or two in the lotto, and only if the teams want to trade down and are looking for a small value to do so.

Future 1st? Not sure Bird is too interested after what happened in the Scola/Plumlee swap. Hard to mortgage what few picks we have.

#43 in the 2nd round? MIGHT get us up a pick or two. If we're lucky.

Rudez? I doubt he moves us up even a pick. Nice little near minimum salary player, but no trade value.

We literally have nothing else after that. That's everyone tradeable at the draft.

pacerfan1984 wrote:I know Bird was high Caulry-Stein and wanted to get thoughts on the potential of trading up and what the Pacers could offer in that scenario.

Scoot pretty much covered all the bases. I think, if the Pacers realistically want to move up and have their eyes set on a player, they will need to hope the player drops into like 7-8 range before they can truly pick the phone up and see work some magic. Trading into like 4-5 range as Stein is projected i think is just too unrealistic for the Pacers, as Scoot said, they dont have the currency to do it.

But, welcome to the forums! Always enjoy seeing new people sign up and share their opinion on Pacers basketball. Should be a fun month with the draft only 3+ weeks away.

I think it's much more likely we trade down. immediate needs are backups to West and Hill. at 11 I'd want someone who will eventually start and that says a 4. Lyles, Kaminsky, and WCS work for me. I'm not sold on Turner. If the 4's are gone, I think we might be able to slide a bit and still get a guard we like.

Wizop wrote:I think it's much more likely we trade down. immediate needs are backups to West and Hill. at 11 I'd want someone who will eventually start and that says a 4. Lyles, Kaminsky, and WCS work for me. I'm not sold on Turner. If the 4's are gone, I think we might be able to slide a bit and still get a guard we like.

Barring a PG13 trade, I wouldn't be surprised at ANY direction we may go at the draft.

Wizop wrote:I think it's much more likely we trade down. immediate needs are backups to West and Hill. at 11 I'd want someone who will eventually start and that says a 4. Lyles, Kaminsky, and WCS work for me. I'm not sold on Turner. If the 4's are gone, I think we might be able to slide a bit and still get a guard we like.

I keep coming back to Bobby Portis if they have to go with a 4. Scouting reports would lead one to believe that he has a better all around skill set for the position than any of Kaminsky, WCS or Lyles.

Wizop wrote:I think it's much more likely we trade down. immediate needs are backups to West and Hill. at 11 I'd want someone who will eventually start and that says a 4. Lyles, Kaminsky, and WCS work for me. I'm not sold on Turner. If the 4's are gone, I think we might be able to slide a bit and still get a guard we like.

I am really starting to think we are trading down, just because there are teams that are looking to trade up. And as Scoot said, we literally have nothing to offer to be able to trade up. So we may get the other pieces via trades. WCS is also climbing up the draft boards fast.

Grang33r wrote:

pacerfan1984 wrote:I know Bird was high Caulry-Stein and wanted to get thoughts on the potential of trading up and what the Pacers could offer in that scenario.

Scoot pretty much covered all the bases. I think, if the Pacers realistically want to move up and have their eyes set on a player, they will need to hope the player drops into like 7-8 range before they can truly pick the phone up and see work some magic. Trading into like 4-5 range as Stein is projected i think is just too unrealistic for the Pacers, as Scoot said, they dont have the currency to do it.

But, welcome to the forums! Always enjoy seeing new people sign up and share their opinion on Pacers basketball. Should be a fun month with the draft only 3+ weeks away.

Thanks for the welcome. I do agree with you guys though. I don't think the player the Pacers want will be there at 11 so its very possible they may trade back and acquire an asset from a team that is desperate to move up. Should be interesting as the draft gets closer.

Scoot McGroot wrote:

Wizop wrote:I think it's much more likely we trade down. immediate needs are backups to West and Hill. at 11 I'd want someone who will eventually start and that says a 4. Lyles, Kaminsky, and WCS work for me. I'm not sold on Turner. If the 4's are gone, I think we might be able to slide a bit and still get a guard we like.

Barring a PG13 trade, I wouldn't be surprised at ANY direction we may go at the draft.

That's not gonna happen!

As for WCS I'm getting really tired of the talk about how Bird wants to have his Baybay! I like all the bigs you mentioned but I wouldn't be shocked if we traded down. If Boston wants to move up we should be able to get their #16, #28 and either their #33 or a future #1. Turning the #11 into 3 #1's would be a score even if the 2016 pick was the Mavs or Cavs. I'd also consider the 2 #1's and James Young if they'd do that.

I agree we won't give up a future #1 to move up and we don't' have much else to offer any of the teams higher than us except the Hornets I'm sure would love to have #11 and David West for Lance and #9, no way in Hell do I do that, at this point not sure I want Lance on the team considering how well George Hill played this past season. Lance needs to be a starting pg, I think he loves the ball too much to be a SG.

Hibbert might get a pick later in the draft Portland maybe, or the Celtics #16 but we'd have to eat some salary to make it work. I was thinking Avery Bradley, Zeller and #33 for Hibbert but But I don't know if they'd put that much value into Roy for what might be a one year rental. They have aspirations on Marc Gasol and Aldridge, I don't see them getting either.

For our own 2nd rounder I was looking at a guy from Washington named Robert Upshaw a 7 foot 260 shot swatting center. He blocked 4.7 a game last season. I see that NBAdraft.net has us picking Stanley Johnson at #11.

Bird would trade $100 million for WCS, apparently.

basketballwacko2 wrote:
For our own 2nd rounder I was looking at a guy from Washington named Robert Upshaw a 7 foot 260 shot swatting center. He blocked 4.7 a game last season. I see that NBAdraft.net has us picking Stanley Johnson at #11.

Upshaw got kicked out of both Washington and Fresno State for cocaine abuse, as well as just generally being too awfully hard to deal with. 2nd round? Whatever, it's a flier with little to no risk. I'd just assume that he's going to get waived 3 or 4 times before he puts his head together and starts contributing.

Holy goats!! I had no idea we don't need a crack head.