What can the Pacers do in free agency?

pacerfan1984 · Post #1 » by **pacerfan1984** » Fri Jun 26, 2015 11:12 pm

Now that draft is over and we know West is out and Roy is in what can we possibly do in free agency? What players can we afford that will make sense for us?

Boneman2 · Post #2 » by **Boneman2** » Sat Jun 27, 2015 2:07 am

Sign TRob on a cheap one-year prove it deal and Bellinelli on a 4 year 16m contract.

Use the rest of our cap space to absorb an asset or two.

Post #3 » by **Miller4ever** » Sat Jun 27, 2015 2:59 am

Getting Stuckey back should be the priority.

Wizop · Post #4 » by **Wizop** » Sat Jun 27, 2015 3:32 am

agreed. let's start at home. we need Stuckey and Allen and we need to talk to Scola. with those pieces in place we can look for a veteran backup point guard so that Young can be brought along slowly. I suppose we need to see what Roy does Monday as well.

I see wiretap has Stuckey looking for a contender. not good.

chube · Post #5 » by **chube** » Sat Jun 27, 2015 6:10 am

Wizop wrote:
I see wiretap has Stuckey looking for a contender. not good.

It should be noted that same article implies that returning to Indy is still high on his list.

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basketballwacko2 · Post #6 » by **basketballwacko2** » Sat Jun 27, 2015 4:20 pm

Miller4ever wrote:Getting Stuckey back should be the priority.

Wire tap says he's looking for a deal with a contender. If he doesn't find it I expect he would be back. Otherwise we'll be looking for a new combo guard.

pacers33 · Post #7 » by **pacers33** » Sat Jun 27, 2015 6:36 pm

I want Stuckey back.

Boneman2 · Post #8 » by **Boneman2** » Sat Jun 27, 2015 6:40 pm

Obviously we need a reliable b/u PG.

Among free agents you can rule out restricted ones because Simon won't bid on them. The only way we'll acquire a restricted player is through S & T and the only feasible option available for us this offseason is a player like Beverly. Jackson would be too expensive. Maybe we could work something out with Houston in regards to a S & T involving DWest for Patrick and TJones, if possible, otherwise it is highly doubtful we pursue any restricted players.

Realistic UFA PG options are the likes of Moe, Foye, ABrooks, Ish, Lin & maybe Larkin. Based off recent trends Larry won't overspend on a b/u so that kind of rules out Moe, Foye & probably Aaron. This leaves Lin, Larkin & Smith.

I have to say Ish showed a lot of potential last season when he got playing time. Out of all the available PG's my money is on Larry signing Ish. He's only 26 and his body has been well preserved. I think 3/ 10.5 would suffice.

pacers33 · Post #9 » by **pacers33** » Sat Jun 27, 2015 6:45 pm

I'd take a flyer on Lin as a scorer off the bench. I liked him in Houston for the most part. Didn't see his Los Angeles work, I don't take it very seriously though, considering how abysmal the Lakers were last year.

basketballwacko2 · Post #10 » by **basketballwacko2** » Sat Jun 27, 2015 7:08 pm

Boneman2 wrote:Obviously we need a reliable b/u PG.

Among free agents you can rule out restricted ones because Simon won't bid on them. The only way we'll acquire a restricted player is through S & T and the only feasible option available for us this offseason is a player like Beverly. Jackson would be too expensive. Maybe we could work something out with Houston in regards to a S & T involving DWest for Patrick and TJones, if possible, otherwise it is highly doubtful we pursue any restricted players.

Realistic UFA PG options are the likes of Moe, Foye, ABrooks, Ish, Lin & maybe Larkin. Based off recent trends Larry won't overspend on a b/u so that kind of rules out Moe, Foye & probably Aaron. This leaves Lin, Larkin & Smith.

I have to say Ish showed a lot of potential last season when he got playing time. Out of all the available PG's my money is on Larry signing Ish. He's only 26 and his body has been well preserved. I think 3/ 10.5 would suffice.

I also want Stuckey back if possible.

For pg why not just bring back Sloan? Jose Juan Barea is a UFA, Dallas might even pay us to take Harris if they resign JJ. Cory Joseph is and RFA with the Spurs but they are looking to sign LMA so why not shoot him an offer of $3.5 million a year for 3 yrs with a Team option for the final year the Spurs won't match it because they aready have Patty Mills Signed and need the room for Aldrige. Jameer Nelson is also out there, Foye, Mo Williams, and Lin would be ok if the money is right.

For PF we should be looking at our own guys Allen and Scola but if they prove too expensive we could look at Thomas Robinson and Derrick Williams on short contracts with the 2nd year partially guaranteed. I also like Kosta Kofus if he could be signed to a reasonable deal.

basketballwacko2 · Post #11 » by **basketballwacko2** » Sat Jun 27, 2015 7:16 pm

I also was thinking that maybe we just renounce all our FA's and try to acquire some assets by helping with trades and S&Ts and get paid some draft picks in the process.

My question for Scooter or anyone who knows is, What happens when we renounce our Free Agents? Can we then resign them? Or are they off limits to us. I am not that up on it, I'm assuming we renounce rights, that means any kind of Bird rights? And that removes the cap holds? If that's the case we'd be looking at about $51.3 Million, not counting Shayne Whittington QO. That would give us room to take a guy or 2 if they were short enough contacts to not become a problem and were useful enough players at positions we could use, and get paid off in the process. Like Philly did the last couple years. Seems like an easy way to get some assets.

Moooose · Post #12 » by **Moooose** » Sat Jun 27, 2015 8:05 pm

C = Roy Hibbert, Ian Mahinmi
PF = Myles Turner
SF = Paul George, Solomon Hill, Damian Rudez
SG = CJ Miles,
PG = George Hill, Joseph Young

- I think we can re-sign Lavoy Allen and play him as PF/C just like Myles Turner. He can run the floor and I really think he's a good, young investment.
- Not sure about Scola, as we are not looking to contend YET. I think we need to get younger and more dynamic.
- Also, we could be loaded at the wings to re-sign Copeland. He and Rudez will kind of battle for little minutes. Well unless we don't re-sign Lavoy and make Copeland the primary back-up at 4 for the faster offense Vogel is thinking about.
- Donald Sloan would be a safe choice to take over CJ Miles' role last year, but I think there are options here.
- Whittington would be a cheap 5th big man but I personally think we need to have some muscle up front to size up with the other bigs, if the matchup would call for it. Stanko Barac?
- Do we need a locker room vet to make up for the loss of David West? I think the guys are man enough to keep the core clean.

Among some free agents that are available, here are some notables that I personally think could fit the system Vogel wants to play.

Marcus Thornton
Cole Aldrich
Thomas Robinson
Wayne Ellington
Greg Smith
Alonzo Gee
Jonas Jerebko

I'd be thrilled if we can get Thornton on board and play him with Joe Young and CJ Miles.

basketballwacko2 · Post #13 » by **basketballwacko2** » Sat Jun 27, 2015 8:49 pm

I don't really want to bring back cope he's a great shooter but he's so horrid on defense and sloppy with the ball it drives me nuts. We also don't know the extent of his injury from the Stabbing.

pacers33 · Post #14 » by **pacers33** » Sat Jun 27, 2015 8:53 pm

Thomas Robinson has been compared to West before. I'd certainly call him up if I was the FO.

basketballwacko2 · Post #15 » by **basketballwacko2** » Sat Jun 27, 2015 9:19 pm

pacers33 wrote:Thomas Robinson has been compared to West before. I'd certainly call him up if I was the FO.

Robinson has been a huge disappointment so far in his career I think he should have stayed in school another year. But yes he's worth a look as long as we're not giving him big money. Vet min or a little more would be about right considering how last season went for him. Same for Derrick Williams from Sacto, they won't match any offer he gets and I'm betting there won't be a lot.

pacers33 · Post #16 » by **pacers33** » Sat Jun 27, 2015 10:02 pm

If I remember correctly he signed with Philly and showed some promise.

DunkinDutchman · Post #17 » by **DunkinDutchman** » Mon Jun 29, 2015 1:12 pm

I would be on board with either TRob or Derrick Williams. When push comes to shove, they can provide solid minutes at the 4 and bring a nice spark off the bench. Robinson is more limited offensively, but a much better rebounder. Neither are elite defenders.

Post #18 » by **Scoot McGroot** » Mon Jun 29, 2015 1:23 pm

pacers33 wrote:If I remember correctly he signed with Philly and showed some promise.

Philly claimed him off waivers, yes. He was ok there, too. Hard to gauge as it's a tough situation to jump into; playing without knowing anything about the coaches system while trying to prove your worth for free agency.

chube · Post #19 » by **chube** » Mon Jun 29, 2015 2:57 pm

I'm always a little cautious of a guy who comes out of nowhere and his only really solid year is in a contract year but...

Al-Farouq Aminu? Stretch four and what he would likely command this summer won't come close to West's salary. I'd think you could match West's left behind salary, probably a tad over, with a combo of Aminu (or Robinson or whoever), Stuckey, Allen, Turner, Young, and Sloan.

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8305 · Post #20 » by **8305** » Mon Jun 29, 2015 3:49 pm

Aminu, Derrick Williams and Robinson are all guys who interest me. Looking back at the Chauncey Billups template for Detroit. He had pretty generally failed with Boston moved and had some success with Minnesota (I think) before Detroit signed. Am I correct that Aminu is the only of the three who can claim to any level of solid play (last year) in his career?