OFFICIAL: Pacers sign Monta Ellis 4/$44m

cubsflan24 · Post #1 » by **cubsflan24** » Wed Jul 1, 2015 6:34 am

Will be meeting face to face with the Pacers tomorrow along with his family. Would think that's a good sign if the family is coming along.

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Edited again for official signing on page 3.
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JeffFosters · Post #2 » by **JeffFosters** » Wed Jul 1, 2015 7:40 am

"Good" is a relative term.

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Clutch31 · Post #3 » by **Clutch31** » Wed Jul 1, 2015 8:21 am

I would really love that signing. The team really lacked another go-to-guy

JeffFosters · Post #4 » by **JeffFosters** » Wed Jul 1, 2015 9:24 am

Allegedly 3 years and $32m. Not sure why he's due a raise on last year.

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basketballwacko2 · Post #5 » by **basketballwacko2** » Wed Jul 1, 2015 9:50 am

Monta might be the best SG we can sign, if he's coming in at 3/$32 million that's roughly $10 million a year.

We'll have to see if there are any options on the final season.

We need to get Lavoy Allen in and get that kid signed. I would assume we're talking to Scola too. I'd look for a Hibbert trade by mid August after some of these teams are left holding the bag on bigs.

davidfr94 · Post #6 » by **davidfr94** » Wed Jul 1, 2015 11:41 am

jarryd3107 wrote:Allegedly 3 years and $32m. Not sure why he's due a raise on last year.

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If it is 3/32 it is a realy good contract. Je is getting a raise because he was kind of underpaid with Dallas. He should fit well with George Hill because he needs a point guard that CAN play off the ball shoot the There and CAN défend the two spot occasionaly. They could form a Nice duo offensively and éven défensively

MillerTheKiller · Post #7 » by **MillerTheKiller** » Wed Jul 1, 2015 11:49 am

This will be a huge get for us, then hopefully we can add the pieces around after this.

Post #8 » by **boomershadow** » Wed Jul 1, 2015 1:13 pm

I dont want to see George Hill giving up the ball a lot again. Stuckey moved to the 2nd unit last year because too many people needed the ball.

DunkinDutchman · Post #9 » by **DunkinDutchman** » Wed Jul 1, 2015 1:46 pm

Personally I wouldn't be a huge fan of this signing. I have never liked Monta very much. I would rather see a 3&D type player than a ball dominant undersized two guard. Not sure how well he would mesh with this team.

Wizop · Post #10 » by **Wizop** » Wed Jul 1, 2015 1:50 pm

I listened to the podcast on free agency here where they discussed each of them in turn. On Ellis they had no one but us offering more than a mid-level. I think 3/32 might be more than the market would give him. I guess we're below the cap with West opting out and basically offering Ellis West's contract. of course the leaked numbers we're hearing could well be coming from his agent rather than from the Pacers so they might be inflated. we'll see soon enough.

Personally, I'd rather have Stuckey on the second unit and CJ Miles starting but I do trust Bird and I do agree with all the pundits who have been saying we need to add speed. I read this morning that the cap number might be a couple of million higher than expected. I sure hope there is room to sign Stuckey too. (and Allen and Whittington and etc)

Post #11 » by **Scoot McGroot** » Wed Jul 1, 2015 2:36 pm

Wizop wrote: I sure hope there is room to sign Stuckey too. (and Allen and Whittington and etc)

A Monta Ellis signing means 100% that Stuckey is gone. Using cap space to sign Monta means we don't have the full MLE or BAE, but rather one smaller room exception (starts around $3m, and we get it only after we've used our cap space). Unless Stuckey strikes out everywhere else and then circles back around and is willing to take less, again, and get a smaller role this year than last, with Ellis on board, he's gone. Whittington's a minimum guy, so he's not effected. Allen's not effected either as we have full bird rights on him, and his cap hold is so small we don't have to renounce him to use the cap space. Scola has to be renounced. West, Copeland, and Watson, too. So, to keep any of those guys, we'd have to use cap room, or the room exception.

As for Ellis? I'm worried. He's a fine enough player in theory. He fills a hole as a guy that can create offense (though not always efficiently). It worries me for other reasons. Dallas is now the 3rd team he's been essentially pushed to leave. Bird trusts and respects Carlisle's opinion, yet won't trust that Carlisle is done with the guy for a reason? Add in West, the heady, strong veteran voice in the locker room leaving, and Roy, the mercurial, quiet, moody locker room guy staying, and adding more moody, tough to be around voices in the locker room like Monta seems like a disaster waiting to happen. He's also not an effective 3 pt shooter, so now, to minimize our team holes, we're likely going to have to put the ball in Monta's hands a lot, and ask George Hill to stand in the corner shooting 3's again; negating the positive play he put up after Lance left and he no longer had to defer.

Post #12 » by **Scoot McGroot** » Wed Jul 1, 2015 2:39 pm

jarryd3107 wrote:Allegedly 3 years and $32m. Not sure why he's due a raise on last year.

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Everyone's getting a raise this year. It's due to next year's huge rise in cap. Teams are spending what they can now, since everyone will have space next year. Add in that a team has to be at 90% of the salary cap every year (even in 2016) or pay the difference, and it's going to be hard to add $40 or $50m in salary next summer alone when everyone will be trying to do it. Many are going to try and add it this year. We'll also likely see more teams go over the tax line for this year as they'll refresh next year and not worry about repeater tax payments in the future.

It's gonna be weird this summer.

Wizop · Post #13 » by **Wizop** » Wed Jul 1, 2015 3:10 pm

Stuckey wasn't much from three either but I am worried too. Ellis and Young are about the same size. Stuckey was great coming off the bench and is big enough to make a good pairing with Young particularly with his point guard experience. with Ellis starting I suppose our second unit wings are Miles and Solo and that's not a lot of speed and ball handling. otoh, Ellis is a 18-19 point a game scorer and we haven't had a lot of those recently.

Post #14 » by **Scoot McGroot** » Wed Jul 1, 2015 3:46 pm

So, with guessing the format of Monta Ellis deal, and the cap holds we'd be keeping to maximize cap space (Young, Allen, Turner), here's our current cap picture. We would have to renounce Stuckey (doesn't matter, he's not staying, and we didn't have Bird Rights anyway), Scola (cap hold over $9m, now have to use cap or an exception if we want to keep him), Copeland, Watson, West, Whittington (I think we keep him, but since he's a minimum salaried guy anyway and we don't have Bird rights, or need them, renounce him to keep an extra $300k...we did this with Lavoy last year), and Sloan (even if we keep him, minimum salary guy). Also, renounc Andrew Bynum and his cap hold of $1.2m

We could clear an extra $300k or so by renouncing Lavoy, but I think we might have to go a bit over the minimum to convince him to stay, and since his hold is only right at the minimum right now, it's not a hindrance.

Technically, we could sign someone for up to $1.8m (the roster charge would go away with adding a guy). Also, if we want to sign Joe Young to more than just a one year deal, as we did with Lance, we would either have to use cap space or an exception to do so, not just the minimum salary exception.

Obviously, this is all fluid. We could wait and see what West does, and maybe we turn him into a S&T out for cap space, and somehow turn it into a 3 way S&T where we receive Monta in, and then can re-use our cap space that is currently held on Monta. Or, operate as an over the cap team, and not renounce Scola and keep our MLE and BAE.

JeffFosters · Post #15 » by **JeffFosters** » Wed Jul 1, 2015 3:55 pm

Scoot McGroot wrote:
jarryd3107 wrote:Allegedly 3 years and $32m. Not sure why he's due a raise on last year.

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Everyone's getting a raise this year. It's due to next year's huge rise in cap. Teams are spending what they can now, since everyone will have space next year. Add in that a team has to be at 90% of the salary cap every year (even in 2016) or pay the difference, and it's going to be hard to add $40 or $50m in salary next summer alone when everyone will be trying to do it. Many are going to try and add it this year. We'll also likely see more teams go over the tax line for this year as they'll refresh next year and not worry about repeater tax payments in the future.

It's gonna be weird this summer.

My comment about the raise was facetious. I agree with you on all points, I don't see the fit either stylistically or for the locker room.

I'd much rather have devoted half of the Monta money to Afflalo or a 3&D type. I can't stand Monta.

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Post #16 » by **Scoot McGroot** » Wed Jul 1, 2015 4:10 pm

jarryd3107 wrote:
Scoot McGroot wrote:
jarryd3107 wrote:Allegedly 3 years and $32m. Not sure why he's due a raise on last year.

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Everyone's getting a raise this year. It's due to next year's huge rise in cap. Teams are spending what they can now, since everyone will have space next year. Add in that a team has to be at 90% of the salary cap every year (even in 2016) or pay the difference, and it's going to be hard to add $40 or $50m in salary next summer alone when everyone will be trying to do it. Many are going to try and add it this year. We'll also likely see more teams go over the tax line for this year as they'll refresh next year and not worry about repeater tax payments in the future.

It's gonna be weird this summer.

My comment about the raise was facetious. I agree with you on all points, I don't see the fit either stylistically or for the locker room.

I'd much rather have devoted half of the Monta money to Afflalo or a 3&D type. I can't stand Monta.

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Afflalo's likely to end up with close to the same money as Monta. Probably. But yeah, agreed on 3&D. I'd rather have found a way to get Danny Green.

Wizop · Post #17 » by **Wizop** » Wed Jul 1, 2015 4:20 pm

wonder if we could do some sort of three team deal with Dallas and Portland where we get Ellis and Dallas gets LMA. or is there anything to be gained by shipping Ian to Dallas in an S&T for Ellis? or would Portland take Roy as part of the deal?

Post #18 » by **Jake0890** » Wed Jul 1, 2015 4:24 pm

Bye bye Stuckey...

Not really sure how I feel about the $$. With the huge salary cap increases coming up, it'll probably be good in the future, but I feel like Ellis will do on $10 mil what Stuckey did for the minimum last year.

Post #19 » by **Scoot McGroot** » Wed Jul 1, 2015 4:44 pm

Wizop wrote:wonder if we could do some sort of three team deal with Dallas and Portland where we get Ellis and Dallas gets LMA. or is there anything to be gained by shipping Ian to Dallas in an S&T for Ellis? or would Portland take Roy as part of the deal?

All questions to be answered in the next 8 days. There's lots of machinations that could happen. Where does West sign? Could that turn into a 3 way deal where we get Monta for shipping out West in a S&T to another team?

Until these deals start locking in after the moratorium ends, there's going to be a shuffling of the mechanics of how many deals work.

SmashMouthRod · Post #20 » by **SmashMouthRod** » Wed Jul 1, 2015 5:11 pm

Im not a fan of this deal. I would prefer a guy like Wes Matthews. Im hoping this falls flat. Feels like a desperation move. The biggest piece of irony is that Stephenson wanted 9 per and Bird wouldnt up the offer. Ellis is getting ready to be paid 10 per. Im not questioning Eliis's character. But as a player I dont think its the best option for that much money. One would think that they would use G. Hill and Paul George to aid in luring really good free agents to Indiana instead of just desperately plunging money into a guy whos production is only based on scoring. Indy scouts should be 100% focused on under the radar talent if theres real pushback from players NOT wanting to play in Indiana. Im sure that there are young very good to great players that would come to Indy for a chance to play with Paul George. Im sure there are 3-4 young guys with talent that would be better to have than Ellis.