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Now that the Celts wil have Amir Johnson and David Lee, do they need/want all of these young bigs?

Is there a transactional order that would result in the Pacers having room to add Zeller, Sullinger or Olynyk to the front court? As in - Hibbert trade, followed by Ellis and Stuckey signings and then a pick for player trade to add one of the above?
Is Solo expendable in such a deal? If yes, for which of those players? I'd deal him for Sully, but probably not for either of the other two.

MNPacersfan wrote:http://www.hoopsrumors.com/2015/07/celtics-to-acquire-david-lee.html

Now that the Celts wil have Amir Johnson and David Lee, do they need/want all of these young bigs?

Is there a transactional order that would result in the Pacers having room to add Zeller, Sullinger or Olynyk to the front court? As in - Hibbert trade, followed by Ellis and Stuckey signings and then a pick for player trade to add one of the above?
Is Solo expendable in such a deal? If yes, for which of those players? I'd deal him for Sully, but probably not for either of the other two.

We can do all our deals right now, and still end up about $7m under the cap. If we hold off on just the signings of Lavoy Allen and Myles Turner, we would clear another $3.1m in salary flexibility. So, yes, theoretically we can do that.

I don't know that Solo Hill would hold any value to Boston, though. They're already loaded up on wings that can defend the hell out of the ball, but can't put it through the hoop. They'd probably want a pick, or they'd look to package some of their guys for better vets. Maybe they'd have interest in CJ Miles with some of their lesser valued "young prospect", but also, wouldn't we have interest in CJ Miles, too?

Scoot McGroot wrote:I don't know that Solo Hill would hold any value to Boston, though. They're already loaded up on wings that can defend the hell out of the ball, but can't put it through the hoop. They'd probably want a pick, or they'd look to package some of their guys for better vets. Maybe they'd have interest in CJ Miles with some of their lesser valued "young prospect", but also, wouldn't we have interest in CJ Miles, too?

I forgot that they brought back Crowder!

I wouldn't give up Miles either. His inconsistency is annoying, but yes he's the kind of player we should be adding. Unless Damo has a huge uptick coming into the season I don't think that Miles would be available.

I would trade Solo for any of the 3 mentioned above. Maybe he will prove me wrong in the new scheme, but I cringe every time he steps on the floor. He is still out matched in summer league games...yikes

To play big minutes, I am not sold on any of those three. Maybe Tyler Zeller to play solely the 5 spot. Sullinger and Olynyk? Just because they can shoot, doesn't mean they are good for us going uptempo, I'll pass.

I like Olynyk and Sully. But for a uptempo team I think Olynyk fits better. Sully is better but very injury prone. Could be a very interesting starting five. All five guys can run and hit the three.

Hill
Ellis
George
Olynyk
Turner

Indy4Life wrote:I would trade Solo for any of the 3 mentioned above.

Sure. But they wouldn't.

SmashMouthRod wrote:I like Olynyk and Sully. But for a uptempo team I think Olynyk fits better. Sully is better but very injury prone. Could be a very interesting starting five. All five guys can run and hit the three.

Hill
Ellis
George
Olynyk
Turner

I think Zeller is the best long term piece. He and Turner could hold down the 5 for a long time and maybe play next to each other some too. Olynyk? Pure center. Less of a body guy than Zeller, too.

Scoot McGroot wrote:

SmashMouthRod wrote:I like Olynyk and Sully. But for a uptempo team I think Olynyk fits better. Sully is better but very injury prone. Could be a very interesting starting five. All five guys can run and hit the three.

Hill
Ellis
George
Olynyk
Turner

I think Zeller is the best long term piece. He and Turner could hold down the 5 for a long time and maybe play next to each other some too. Olynyk? Pure center. Less of a body guy than Zeller, too.

I agree that Zeller flashed some potential last season. He would be a nice get as well. But im not sure that Zeller has all-star potential. I think Olynyk has some serious growth potential. Olynyk could be an all-star at some point. There were nights that he had lines like 19pts-9reb-4ast and 3blks. I also like that he displayed a little bit of an edge in the playoffs against Cleveland. What kept him off the floor outside of health was the fact that he cant defend 5's and Sully started at the 4.

Amir Johnson would be a good fit here, as a scrapper who can hit his FTs.

SmashMouthRod wrote:

Scoot McGroot wrote:

SmashMouthRod wrote:I like Olynyk and Sully. But for a uptempo team I think Olynyk fits better. Sully is better but very injury prone. Could be a very interesting starting five. All five guys can run and hit the three.

Hill
Ellis
George
Olynyk
Turner

I think Zeller is the best long term piece. He and Turner could hold down the 5 for a long time and maybe play next to each other some too. Olynyk? Pure center. Less of a body guy than Zeller, too.

I agree that Zeller flashed some potential last season. He would be a nice get as well. But im not sure that Zeller has all-star potential. I think Olynyk has some serious growth potential. Olynyk could be an all-star at some point. There were nights that he had lines like 19pts-9reb-4ast and 3blks. I also like that he displayed a little bit of an edge in the playoffs against Cleveland. What kept him off the floor outside of health was the fact that he cant defend 5's and Sully started at the 4.

What you call "an edge" I call dirty, scuzzy, and completely uncalled for. He didn't try and startle Love. He downright went into that trying to tear his shoulder out, and then called to Stevens to get out of the game and left Crowder to get demolished by Perkins.

pacers33 wrote:Amir Johnson would be a good fit here, as a scrapper who can hit his FTs.

Not tradeable until January.

Scoot McGroot wrote:

SmashMouthRod wrote:

Scoot McGroot wrote:
I think Zeller is the best long term piece. He and Turner could hold down the 5 for a long time and maybe play next to each other some too. Olynyk? Pure center. Less of a body guy than Zeller, too.

I agree that Zeller flashed some potential last season. He would be a nice get as well. But im not sure that Zeller has all-star potential. I think Olynyk has some serious growth potential. Olynyk could be an all-star at some point. There were nights that he had lines like 19pts-9reb-4ast and 3blks. I also like that he displayed a little bit of an edge in the playoffs against Cleveland. What kept him off the floor outside of health was the fact that he cant defend 5's and Sully started at the 4.

What you call "an edge" I call dirty, scuzzy, and completely uncalled for. He didn't try and startle Love. He downright went into that trying to tear his shoulder out, and then called to Stevens to get out of the game and left Crowder to get demolished by Perkins.

Really. When I watched I didnt think it was dirty. I thought he got boxed out pretty well and committed a stupid foul by yanking on Love's arm. Stuff like that happens all the time. Hibbert has done crap like that. Im sure he didnt know he was going to tear his shoulder. Stupid fouls like that have plagued Olynyk for most of the season. Thats why he was benched. Thats a fundamental screw up that I believe a decent big man coach can teach him (proper box out techniques). He just needs some training on how to better position his body. One thing he has is desire. A few of those of players on the celtics took that loss better than he did. I think 'dirty' 'scuzzy' is bit undeserving. A better example is Dellavedova diving at ppl's knees. Thats dirty. I imagine if you sat in on some of the practices their would probably be a lot of things you dont like.

SmashMouthRod wrote:

Scoot McGroot wrote:

SmashMouthRod wrote:
I agree that Zeller flashed some potential last season. He would be a nice get as well. But im not sure that Zeller has all-star potential. I think Olynyk has some serious growth potential. Olynyk could be an all-star at some point. There were nights that he had lines like 19pts-9reb-4ast and 3blks. I also like that he displayed a little bit of an edge in the playoffs against Cleveland. What kept him off the floor outside of health was the fact that he cant defend 5's and Sully started at the 4.

What you call "an edge" I call dirty, scuzzy, and completely uncalled for. He didn't try and startle Love. He downright went into that trying to tear his shoulder out, and then called to Stevens to get out of the game and left Crowder to get demolished by Perkins.

Really. When I watched I didnt think it was dirty. I thought he got boxed out pretty well and committed a stupid foul by yanking on Love's arm. Stuff like that happens all the time. Hibbert has done crap like that. Im sure he didnt know he was going to tear his shoulder. Stupid fouls like that have plagued Olynyk for most of the season. Thats why he was benched. Thats a fundamental screw up that I believe a decent big man coach can teach him (proper box out techniques). He just needs some training on how to better position his body. One thing he has is desire. A few of those of players on the celtics took that loss better than he did. I think 'dirty' 'scuzzy' is bit undeserving. A better example is Dellavedova diving at ppl's knees. Thats dirty. I imagine if you sat in on some of the practices their would probably be a lot of things you dont like.

Wrapping your hand around a guys elbow and pulling it tight up and into your shoulder pit while nowhere near a block out position, and then lifting and quickly tearing down is simply not a "box out" technique. It was bush league. It was clear. Maybe Delly is too. He's a small guy that has to throw himself around, though.

I LOVE blocking out. It was what I did. Shorter guys can dominate with good positioning. That wasn't blocking out. Here's no way that Brad Stevens or Mark Few (technically sound coaches) would ever have run drills on that. Can't imagine I'd be appalled at practices. But I'm appalled by what Olynyk did. He was getting beat, badly, and he clearly attacked Love's shoulder, something that he and his teammates had talked about in research about the Cavs (attack Love's weak shoulder). He took it too far.

Scoot McGroot wrote:

pacers33 wrote:Amir Johnson would be a good fit here, as a scrapper who can hit his FTs.

Not tradeable until January.

You know what man I'm really getting tired of you bringing facts into the equation.

Obviously Olynyk meant to do it but he didn't mean to shred his shoulder, I don't think so anyway. Regardless, Olynyk should face a substantial fine and suspension for being so reckless. The two-on-one hold that Scoot described is a learned technique, and while it seems very spontaneous, it is not.

pacers33 wrote:

Scoot McGroot wrote:

pacers33 wrote:Amir Johnson would be a good fit here, as a scrapper who can hit his FTs.

Not tradeable until January.

You know what man I'm really getting tired of you bringing facts into the equation.

Good one.

pacers33 wrote:

Scoot McGroot wrote:

pacers33 wrote:Amir Johnson would be a good fit here, as a scrapper who can hit his FTs.

Not tradeable until January.

You know what man I'm really getting tired of you bringing facts into the equation.

I have a fact for you Olynyk is not that good. And his name is too hard to spell.

pacers33 wrote:

Scoot McGroot wrote:

pacers33 wrote:Amir Johnson would be a good fit here, as a scrapper who can hit his FTs.

Not tradeable until January.

You know what man I'm really getting tired of you bringing facts into the equation.

It's a curse...

Scoot McGroot wrote:What you call "an edge" I call dirty, scuzzy, and completely uncalled for. He didn't try and startle Love. He downright went into that trying to tear his shoulder out, and then called to Stevens to get out of the game and left Crowder to get demolished by Perkins.

If you watch the entire sequence Love does the same tug to Olynyk, then elbows him, then gets a taste of his own medicine. Love is an instigator and he paid a huge price on that play. Both sides did things they shouldn't have, but I felt like that was Olynyk being so fed up that we finally took out all his frustrations on one play.
I don't remember him calling to leave the game, but if he did, that's a p-word move.