How much playing time should Joe Young be getting this season?

[GrandBasterd]

I really have no idea what to expect. Help.

[Wizop]

I think the max is about 12 minutes and he'll have to earn that. It could be zero. GHill is going to get his minutes. say he gets 36. that leaves 12 for his backup. how many minutes is Stuckey going to get? the same analysis says there are only about 12 minutes for him at the two and he's not really a three unless we play serious small ball which suggests that if he deserves 24 he's going to have to get half his minutes at the point which would leave none for Young.

[boomershadow]

I would start off slow with him. He is a second round rookie, and we don't know what we have there yet. Stuckey is very capable, and is much more of a known quantity and we are gonna have to find minutes for him somewhere. I would be surprised to see Young more often than we see Stuckey at the 1, at least at the beginning of the season.

[Scoot McGroot]

I'd be shocked if he plays over 500 minutes this year. In an 82 game schedule, that's 5 mpg.

[Wizop]

so if the question is should you put him on your fantasy team, I think we'd say no unless you play in a keeper league where you can afford to stash him on the bench for next year.

[8305]

I recall that last year Stuckey was far more effective playing sg as opposed to pg. Ellis has never been trusted to play pg. Given that I think Joe Young get a long look as the backup pg. Pacers will probably give the three man Ellis, Hill and Stuckey rotation at guard a chance too. But I'm guessing it will have to perform clearly better than using Young for the backup minutes. Given the signings that have neglected another known quantity pg Bird must be somewhat confident something can be worked out.

[boomershadow]

I recall that last year Stuckey was far more effective playing sg as opposed to pg. Ellis has never been trusted to play pg. Given that I think Joe Young get a long look as the backup pg. Pacers will probably give the three man Ellis, Hill and Stuckey rotation at guard a chance too. But I'm guessing it will have to perform clearly better than using Young for the backup minutes. Given the signings that have neglected another known quantity pg Bird must be somewhat confident something can be worked out.

While it is true that Stuckey performed better last year at the 2, Young isnt that much more of a pure PG than Stuckey.
No matter what way we divvy it up we are still gonna have a back court of double combo guards, which is likely the way Bird wants it. And in that case, the more talented player is likely to get the minutes. And just given the experience levels involved, that's likely to be Stuckey.

[ThirtyOne]

Completely agree with Wizop, max of 12 minutes with a min of zero. Love the guys shooting ability (especially at the line) but he is awfully undersized. His Summer League was very promising so I'm intrigued by his potential as a Lou Williams type of bench player.

[No-Man]

Maybe he will play if there are injuries, but on paper,

Hill/Ellis
Ellis/Stuckey
Miles/Budinger/Hill
George/Allen
Hill/Mahinmi

I doubt that Vogel plays more than 9-10 deep.

[No-Man]

I recall that last year Stuckey was far more effective playing sg as opposed to pg. Ellis has never been trusted to play pg. Given that I think Joe Young get a long look as the backup pg. Pacers will probably give the three man Ellis, Hill and Stuckey rotation at guard a chance too. But I'm guessing it will have to perform clearly better than using Young for the backup minutes. Given the signings that have neglected another known quantity pg Bird must be somewhat confident something can be worked out.

Ellis has been playing defacto PG for Dallas de last 2 years, with the right system he is pretty good.
He is clearly able to play back-up PG the ¿16 minpg? George sits.

[basketballwacko2]

I hope he gets to play some what I saw in the Summer League was him shooting the lights out.

[8305]

I recall that last year Stuckey was far more effective playing sg as opposed to pg. Ellis has never been trusted to play pg. Given that I think Joe Young get a long look as the backup pg. Pacers will probably give the three man Ellis, Hill and Stuckey rotation at guard a chance too. But I'm guessing it will have to perform clearly better than using Young for the backup minutes. Given the signings that have neglected another known quantity pg Bird must be somewhat confident something can be worked out.

While it is true that Stuckey performed better last year at the 2, Young isnt that much more of a pure PG than Stuckey.
No matter what way we divvy it up we are still gonna have a back court of double combo guards, which is likely the way Bird wants it. And in that case, the more talented player is likely to get the minutes. And just given the experience levels involved, that's likely to be Stuckey.

Agree that Young is possibly a glorified 2 the same as Stuckey and Ellis. One difference is that Young appears to be an exceptional 3 point shooter while both Stuckey and Ellis are average to below average. What happens to spacing when you put both Ellis and Stuckey on the floor together? Either Stuckey or Ellis would work ok at pg a few minutes a night but how effective will either be when paired with another suspect shooter at guard?

[boomershadow]

Agree that Young is possibly a glorified 2 the same as Stuckey and Ellis. One difference is that Young appears to be an exceptional 3 point shooter while both Stuckey and Ellis are average to below average. What happens to spacing when you put both Ellis and Stuckey on the floor together? Either Stuckey or Ellis would work ok at pg a few minutes a night but how effective will either be when paired with another suspect shooter at guard?

Stuckey shot 39% from 3 last year. That's better than either George Hill or CJ Miles.

[Scoot McGroot]

Agree that Young is possibly a glorified 2 the same as Stuckey and Ellis. One difference is that Young appears to be an exceptional 3 point shooter while both Stuckey and Ellis are average to below average. What happens to spacing when you put both Ellis and Stuckey on the floor together? Either Stuckey or Ellis would work ok at pg a few minutes a night but how effective will either be when paired with another suspect shooter at guard?

Stuckey shot 39% from 3 last year. That's better than either George Hill or CJ Miles.

Which was his career high by 7.3%. His career average is still only 30.5%, despite this magnificently high year of shooting. He's only shot 30% or over 3 years of his 8 year career.

Essentially, we're all happy to see that he shot 39% last year, and we hope it's the start of a trend, but we're still guarding our hope and optimism in case it was just a fluke.

[Miller4ever]

His shooting buddy Damo is gone, too.

But CJ might return to form. In the two seasons before last, CJ Miles shot 38% and 39%, but that dipped to 34% this past season.

I think the coaching staff will be stressing 3-point shooting overall this season so hopefully everyone will have some proficiency.

[Wizop]

We may be underestimating here. Bird made some comments at the practice facility news conference suggesting he expects both rookies to contribute.

[pacers33]

Give the man 14 minutes a game and let him free if we're blowing somebody out.