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Post#1 » by 8305 » Wed Feb 3, 2016 5:36 pm

As the season wears on and this team struggles to close games I become more convinced the problem is not getting another big. While Myles Turner was out J. Hill and Mahamni were fine, actually pretty productive. And Turner,,, this guy looks like a stud. Why bring in a high priced big who would most likely block his development.

As has been said for more years than I care to remember this team needs a point guard. Monte Ellis (who is essentially playing pg) is not a point guard. He simply turns the ball over too often and you can pretty much count on him turning the ball over at least once in the final two minutes of every close game. That along with taking a difficult shot or two during those same last two minutes.

Conley is unrestricted and Indy his home town. We have the cap space and would probably have enough left over to resign either or both of Ian and Jordan. No question there would be a log jam of sorts with Conley, Hill, Ellis and Stuckey. If you were successful at stealing Conley maybe Memphis would take back Ellis in a sign and trade?

I'd even be open to trading for Conley at the trade deadline say Ellis and our 2016 1st? Memphis gets a much cheaper play making guard signed to a reasonable contract and a rebuilding/tooling piece. Better than losing him for nothing this summer.

In any event this team would improve significantly if in the last two minutes of games the ball was in Mike Conley's hands rather than Monte Ellis.
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Post#2 » by Miller4ever » Wed Feb 3, 2016 11:17 pm

We have a hometown point guard who is as good as Conley if not better. George Hill continues to be the most underrated player on the team. We should spend the money/assets on 2's or 4's.
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Post#3 » by 8305 » Thu Feb 4, 2016 2:55 am

I agree that George Hill is a solid pg. But he's not our primary ball handler this year. More times than not it looks to me like Minte Ellis initiates our offense. George Hill while listed as our point guard is really playing the the 2 and playing it quite well (among the league leader in 3 point shooting %).
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Post#4 » by Scoot McGroot » Thu Feb 4, 2016 4:50 am

I have no doubt that Conley and Hill could play together, and solidly at that. Sure, he'd be a great target. Ideally, we'd find a big man to play long-term next to Turner and George, though.
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Post#5 » by 8305 » Thu Feb 4, 2016 10:58 am

What makes an Ellis/Hill guard tandom is so much better than Conley/Hill? Am I missing something in the way the Pacers are currently playing? Because it looks to me like Hill spends more time without the ball looking to spot up than he does initiating offense.
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Post#6 » by Scoot McGroot » Thu Feb 4, 2016 5:37 pm

8305 wrote:What makes an Ellis/Hill guard tandom is so much better than Conley/Hill? Am I missing something in the way the Pacers are currently playing? Because it looks to me like Hill spends more time without the ball looking to spot up than he does initiating offense.


Did you mean to flip that question?

As for Conley/Hill, it's that Conley is so much more of a floor general/distributor than Ellis is. While Conley isn't an offensive "take over the game in the 4th" guy like Ellis is, he's a tough defensive player, and a good player all around the floor. Essentially very similar to Hill in that regards, but with more "natural PG thoughts and tendencies". Hill could still play without the ball with Conley, but would get the ball in better positions with Conley playing the other guard spot, rather than Ellis, who isn't quite a natural PG.
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Post#7 » by 8305 » Fri Feb 5, 2016 11:45 am

I agree with your assessment of Conley and Ellis. My take is Conley's skill set is a better fit for this Pacer team. An areguement can be made that George Hill is every bit as effective as a 2 as he is as a 1. And , when the Pacers lose generally it's because they turn the ball over too much. Or fold at the end of the game. Inject an upgrade point guard and wouldn't you solve those problems in theory?
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Post#8 » by SmashMouthRod » Fri Feb 5, 2016 5:39 pm

I like Mike Conley. In fact I believe the team would have potential to become an instant contender with him. He could handle pick and roll duties with Myles Turner and allow Paul to get more easy buckets. Also I agree with the assessment on Hill playing the two. I have always been in favor of replacing Hill at the one. Moving him to the two seems like a good idea. I am definitely in favor of getting rid of Ellis. It seems to me that Ellis ball dominance is in the way of Paul's development. Hill, Conley and Turner can all play off of Paul.
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Post#9 » by Wizop » Mon Feb 8, 2016 7:37 pm

Ellis has been a much better veteran leader than I expected. I'm in no rush to dump either Monta or GHill.
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Post#10 » by pacers33granger » Mon Feb 8, 2016 8:39 pm

Wizop wrote:Ellis has been a much better veteran leader than I expected. I'm in no rush to dump either Monta or GHill.


Agreed. If we dump someone it should be Stuckey. Which is kind of sad since he's been a good vet, wants to be in Indy, and gives us a good scoring punch off the bench. But we just can't go forward with that trio. It also doesn't help that he's perpetually injured.

I'm a big Conley fan, but I'm not certain he takes us to contender status unless Myles makes a big leap. And even if we move Stuckey, it still creates a bit of a logjam with him, Hill, and Ellis unless Ellis is agreeable to being a 6th man. It also kind of displaces Joe Young, though that shouldn't be a big factor if we have the chance to sign someone of Conley's caliber.
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Post#11 » by old rem » Mon Feb 8, 2016 8:48 pm

Miller4ever wrote:We have a hometown point guard who is as good as Conley if not better. George Hill continues to be the most underrated player on the team. We should spend the money/assets on 2's or 4's.
Conley may be > Hill (or Monta) just not be a bunch. Too bad Monta did not get full PG job earlier.. now he's stuck as a tweener. For Pacers... there's GOOD stuff but... they need someone GREAT (besides PG) and I doubt a MID upgrade at "whatever" is enough.
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Post#12 » by Wizop » Tue Feb 9, 2016 8:39 pm

wiretap says we're trying for Teague.
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