Zach Lowe ESPN Pacers Article

[Pacers_Freak]

An absolutely great read and breakdown of the franchise. Well worth your time.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/18959003/zach-lowe-paul-george-future-indiana-pacers

[cedric76]

Robert Covington, and at least two first round picks + noel or okafir. Not a great deal

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[Pacers_Freak]

Robert Covington, and at least two first round picks + noel or okafir. Not a great deal

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What in the hell are you talking about bro..

[pacerfan1984]

No back to back in the playoffs and shrink the rotation and the Pacers could be dangerous

[Gert42]

I thought it was a good article and very fair. I like the paragraph about the hindsight of trading Hill for Kawhi on draft night and not trading Hibbert while his value was highest, but at the time the team was on the rise and going for it.

I think the most important part about it was just how asset poor the Pacers are. George at 27 and Turner at age 21 is a pretty damn good start for a team to become a perennial playoff team, but I think the '17 1st round pick may be the best current asset the Pacers have for a trade.

I also wonder if the "budget" Bird has to work with will increase if ownership and management feel the need make the team as good as possible next year to try to keep George.

[Pacers_Freak]

I thought it was a good article and very fair. I like the paragraph about the hindsight of trading Hill for Kawhi on draft night and not trading Hibbert while his value was highest, but at the time the team was on the rise and going for it.

I think the most important part about it was just how asset poor the Pacers are. George at 27 and Turner at age 21 is a pretty damn good start for a team to become a perennial playoff team, but I think the '17 1st round pick may be the best current asset the Pacers have for a trade.

I also wonder if the "budget" Bird has to work with will increase if ownership and management feel the need make the team as good as possible next year to try to keep George.

I thought the same thing as well about the budget. I could see them paying up a bit to keep PG and remain competitive.

[cedric76]

Robert Covington, and at least two first round picks + noel or okafir. Not a great deal

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What in the hell are you talking about bro..

Here it is bro http://www.libertyballers.com/platform/amp/2017/3/21/15003922/nba-trade-rumors-sixers-made-significant-offer-paul-george-pacers-trade-deadline-robert-covington

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[Joshumitsu]

The article makes a good point that the Pacers are excellent at drafting in the teens and later.

In the event that the Pacers and PG do not see eye-to-eye and part ways, what would Pacer fans think of trading Paul George for Portland's three first round picks (two teens, late 20s) and a young guard like Allen Crabbe?

In a deep draft such as this, the Pacers may be able to acquire a potential All-Star while rebuilding the next few years around Turner. Meanwhile, the Blazers get a legitimate All-star to add next to Lillard.

[boomershadow]

The idea he mentions of trading Stuckey for a backup rim protector is a good idea, but it would be so unnecessary if we had just resigned Mahinmi.

[raferfenix]

Hey Pacers fans, am interested in you perspective about Lowe mentioning Henson:

They explored trading Rodney Stuckey for a backup rim protector, including John Henson, sources say, and Bird will dangle Indy's first-round pick again this summer in search of veteran help. Bird has been aggressive trading picks for Luis Scola and Thaddeus Young.

"Our pick is in play," Bird said.

Curious as to your thoughts on Stuckey?

Also thinking about whether Milwaukee could / would offer enough in addition to Henson to bring your pick into play.

[Global Game]

Larry Bird! Acquire more All Star role players!

http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=1384786&p=53282341#p53282341

and
Use this years pick to acquire Alexis Ajinca


Heurtel/Ragland/Young
George/Robinson/Stuckey/Ellis
Brown/Melli
Randolph/Young/Christmas
Turner/Ajinca/Jefferson

[Pacers_Freak]

Robert Covington, and at least two first round picks + noel or okafir. Not a great deal

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What in the hell are you talking about bro..

Here it is bro http://www.libertyballers.com/platform/amp/2017/3/21/15003922/nba-trade-rumors-sixers-made-significant-offer-paul-george-pacers-trade-deadline-robert-covington

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Well now your post makes sense. There is context to it. Otherwise it just seemed like random trade talk. I hadn't seen that. Thank you for sharing.

[Wizop]

The Fever have been trading picks for former all stars for years. It didn't work all that well and now Tamika is retired and the cupboard is bare. I hope Pacers don't repeat the same mistake. My dream scenario would be for us to finish in the lottery and have our pick be too good for Larry to trade it.

[Pacersike]

If he is not a Pacer insider, some Pacer insiders sure can learn a lot from him ya.

What I don't fully understand is, if Bird really believed Al Jefferson was the right piece for this team, shouldn't he be looking to trade for the same type of backup center who can still produce, like Greg Monroe?

When your GM makes mistakes like that and doesn't need long to change his mind, I'm not sure if I find it encouraging or discouraging.

Same with giving McMillan the job without even talking to other candidates. Fine way to attract good assistant coaches, but less chance to attract a great coach with innovating basketball ideas.

[Pacersike]

The Fever have been trading picks for former all stars for years. It didn't work all that well and now Tamika is retired and the cupboard is bare. I hope Pacers don't repeat the same mistake. My dream scenario would be for us to finish in the lottery and have our pick be too good for Larry to trade it.

And our direction would become more obvious. No point in trying to build a contender around PG if you can't even make the playoffs.
Who knows which opponent players of the Pacers get hurt in the playoffs and make us look better than we really are?

Most likely scenario though is that the Pacers will get a 3-4 exit in the first round of the playoffs or 2-4 exit in the second round and Pacer fan nation will still be divided about which direction they should take, with Bird obviously thinking he can still fix it

[Pacers_Freak]

The Fever have been trading picks for former all stars for years. It didn't work all that well and now Tamika is retired and the cupboard is bare. I hope Pacers don't repeat the same mistake. My dream scenario would be for us to finish in the lottery and have our pick be too good for Larry to trade it.

And our direction would become more obvious. No point in trying to build a contender around PG if you can't even make the playoffs.
Who knows which opponent players of the Pacers get hurt in the playoffs and make us look better than we really are?

Most likely scenario though is that the Pacers will get a 3-4 exit in the first round of the playoffs or 2-4 exit in the second round and Pacer fan nation will still be divided about which direction they should take, with Bird obviously thinking he can still fix it

Yeah tanking and building is so easy. Go ask Philly, Lakers, Suns, Kings, Magic, Knicks, etc etc how that is working out for them.

[Pacersike]

Yeah tanking and building is so easy. Go ask Philly, Lakers, Suns, Kings, Magic, Knicks, etc etc how that is working out for them.

What is your point? For every team that hasn't taken the right decisions, there have been just as many who have taken the right decisions. The Spurs only needed one non-lottery pick to give themselves another chance to get back in contention.

1 year tankings are one of the smartest ways to build a team, if you have the knowledge

If the Pacers had tanked when PG was out for the season and traded Hibbert like they should have done after Antic exposed him badly, they could have had Porzingis or Towns to add the core, not Turner who is a bit of a tweener

50% chance that the Pacers will look back and wonder what could have happened if they had traded PG to get some quality picks back. I'm leaning towards rebuilding, so why not?

[Pacers_Freak]

Yeah tanking and building is so easy. Go ask Philly, Lakers, Suns, Kings, Magic, Knicks, etc etc how that is working out for them.

What is your point? For every team that hasn't taken the right decisions, there have been just as many who have taken the right decisions. The Spurs only needed one non-lottery pick to give themselves another chance to get back in contention.

1 year tankings are one of the smartest ways to build a team, if you have the knowledge

If the Pacers had tanked when PG was out for the season and traded Hibbert like they should have done after Antic exposed him badly, they could have had Porzingis or Towns to add the core, not Turner who is a bit of a tweener

50% chance that the Pacers will look back and wonder what could have happened if they had traded PG to get some quality picks back. I'm leaning towards rebuilding, so why not?

Brother the Spurs have never tanked. They have won 50+ games for 18 straight years. You literally couldn't have given a worse example.

[Pacersike]

Yeah tanking and building is so easy. Go ask Philly, Lakers, Suns, Kings, Magic, Knicks, etc etc how that is working out for them.

What is your point? For every team that hasn't taken the right decisions, there have been just as many who have taken the right decisions. The Spurs only needed one non-lottery pick to give themselves another chance to get back in contention.

1 year tankings are one of the smartest ways to build a team, if you have the knowledge

If the Pacers had tanked when PG was out for the season and traded Hibbert like they should have done after Antic exposed him badly, they could have had Porzingis or Towns to add the core, not Turner who is a bit of a tweener

50% chance that the Pacers will look back and wonder what could have happened if they had traded PG to get some quality picks back. I'm leaning towards rebuilding, so why not?

Brother the Spurs have never tanked. They have won 50+ games for 18 straight years. You literally couldn't have given a worse example.

Only because there are teams like the ones you mentioned. It is not the Spurs fault teams let Leonard slip all the way to 15 where they could convince a GM to trade him. Without someone like Leonard, it would have been more difficult to lure good free agents.

Because that GM who traded Leonard, is our GM, I propose we do tank all the way for 1 year or trade PG for multiple picks, so we can waste one

[Wizop]

Brother the Spurs have never tanked. They have won 50+ games for 18 straight years. You literally couldn't have given a worse example.

Spurs got Duncan because Robinson was hurt for a year.