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This is not dissing Myles Turner--he's got the ability to be great, but NOT playing at the five. He's a power forward. Expecting him, especially at his young age, to compete with genuine fives around the league is unrealistic. He's young and too light. The Pacers need to draft or trade for/sign through free agency a legitimate center. Thad Young is serviceable at PF in those times when it makes sense to go small--but the problem is Bird has bought into this whole small ball nonsense, not realizing it only works with a team with three or four small freakishly good superstars, and those are very very rare. In the last analysis, the NBA is a big man's game, which will be re-established once the almost vanishingly rare occurance of an assembly of small superstars on the Warriors who are ALL freakish outliers begins to fade with age. This teams to shed the trash--Miles, Ellis and some others--get on Teague's ass to actually play some defense, install Lance somewhere in the starting lineup, and get a genuine five either in the draft or through trade or free agency to do the things a real center does that at least at this stage in his career Turner just can't do. I think Joe Young has been underutilized and along with an in-shape and injury free Jefferson, Robinson, Christmas, Thad Young, Seraphin, and Brooks might develop into a decent bench. But the key is somehow getting a legit five so Turner can be what he is suited to be--a primo four.

we need another athletic big and I hope the draft gives one to us. I'm less concerned than the original poster whether it is a 4 or a 5.

I agree the Myles struggles against some of the bigger and stronger 5s. But, I am just as sure that he would struggle guarding the stretch 4s of todays game. I do not feel comfortable with him matched up on Love or Saric either. He is young and is either going to get stronger (to guard the 5) or faster (to guard the 4). I personally think it is easier to get stronger than faster. But I'm no doctor. Just personal experience.

I think you go a long way in solving the issue with Turner and bigger centers if we can get away from the small backcourt. If you went with Lance at the point and found another wing who brought a physical presence to the game I think the result would be interesting with Myles playing the 5.

I agree. Indy needs a quality defensive guy at the five or an explosive athletic guy like Aaron Gordon at the four. Maybe the team can snag a guy like Alex Len on the cheap. Considering that Alan Williams took the starting job from him after Chandler was benched for the season in Phoenix. Maybe there is a guy with an higher upside available in the draft or that can be found the bargain bin (D-League) similar to Alan Williams.

I agree that Myles is not a C but I understand why some say he cant play 4. Personally I wouldn't mind trading him or getting two starting bigs and bringing him off the bench because he is not the building block some thinks he is.

Looks like there are a number of bigs in the draft.

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What big in the draft can you say will be better than Myles with all honesty.

Maybe the big from Arizona and maybe John Collins. That's it. What big may complement him best. Probably Swanigan and he is not special.

Phoenix would love to offer you Bledsoe, Chandler, and a Miami pick.

OR

Our pick this year if it is not a top 3 selection.

Don't ask for Booker/TJ/Chriss/Bender/Ulis. We want to build around them.

LukasBMW wrote:Phoenix would love to offer you Bledsoe, Chandler, and a Miami pick.

OR

Our pick this year if it is not a top 3 selection.

Don't ask for Booker/TJ/Chriss/Bender/Ulis. We want to build around them.

Who are you offering Bledsoe, Chandler, and Miami pick for?

Pacers_Freak wrote:

LukasBMW wrote:Phoenix would love to offer you Bledsoe, Chandler, and a Miami pick.

OR

Our pick this year if it is not a top 3 selection.

Don't ask for Booker/TJ/Chriss/Bender/Ulis. We want to build around them.

Who are you offering Bledsoe, Chandler, and Miami pick for?

I believe he is offering that for Myles Turner.

Qwigglez wrote:

Pacers_Freak wrote:

LukasBMW wrote:Phoenix would love to offer you Bledsoe, Chandler, and a Miami pick.

OR

Our pick this year if it is not a top 3 selection.

Don't ask for Booker/TJ/Chriss/Bender/Ulis. We want to build around them.

Who are you offering Bledsoe, Chandler, and Miami pick for?

I believe he is offering that for Myles Turner.

I would doubt Indy would give up Turner at such a young age. But, I've seen worse offers.

SBM wrote:What big in the draft can you say will be better than Myles with all honesty.

Maybe the big from Arizona and maybe John Collins. That's it. What big may complement him best. Probably Swanigan and he is not special.

doesn't need to be better than Myles. doesn't even need to be better than Thad Young. we need a big that is better than Lavoy Allen, Christmas, and Niang.

Signing Anthony Randolph, Derrick Brown, and Tyler Honeycutt this summer would help.

Drafting Sindarius Thornwell would help with defense in the backcourt

Trading Miles and a non-guaranteed contract for Alexis Ajinca (2nd option Omer Asik) would help.

Stephenson/Heurtel/Ragland
Robinson/Thornwell/Ellis
George/Brown/Honeycutt
Randolph/Young/Seraphin
Turner/Ajinca or Asik/Jefferson

Thornwell is a real possibility. Most expect Miles to opt out of his contract making a trade unlikely. the new CBA provides for an expanded roster with major/minor contracts and I hope guys like Bentil and Poythress and even PsychoT might get such a deal.

A deal with cap strapped New Orleans should still be there.

With the Pacers cap situation, they can take on the 2 years of either Ajinca or Asik.

Then send back non-guaranteeds and a 2nd round pick.

Wizop wrote:

SBM wrote:What big in the draft can you say will be better than Myles with all honesty.

Maybe the big from Arizona and maybe John Collins. That's it. What big may complement him best. Probably Swanigan and he is not special.

doesn't need to be better than Myles. doesn't even need to be better than Thad Young. we need a big that is better than Lavoy Allen, Christmas, and Niang.

Agree and disagree, but mostly disagree. Someone better than our current bench big guys including Seraphin and Al Jefferson is a start. Someone better than Myles and Thad Young at finishing around rim in half court sets with people around, moving feet defensively, and rebounding would be optimal.

I just want to point out that he's 21. Any physically different big is going to be a potential matchup issue, but Myles can punish even harder on the other end. He can gain about 8-12 pounds this offseason and alleviate a lot of these issues. Remember, Roy Hibbert went from non-factor to all-star (and back to non-factor, but that's not the point). Myles is already an amazing young player who is already a top-5 shotblocker in the league with extremely impressive shooting numbers, despite a late-season fatigue/injury slump. 58% TS is pretty much elite level and he's not doing it with more than 10 shot attempts a game.

Position doesn't matter and it's a huge misdiagnosis of Myles Turner and the Pacers as a whole. Our 5 is already good. We're still starting Monta Ellis at the 2. Next season and long-term, Myles Turner is the big to go with. If we had two Myles Turners playing the 4 and 5, no one would be complaining about them not being "real" PF's or C's. His liabilities come from his lack of gamesense, experience, and development. Our frontcourt is nice.

This is a dumb argument to have. It's like Pelicans fans talking about whether AD is a 4 or 5. Who cares? **** put him on the court and worry about the WAY **** players surrounding him.

Not trying to argue but Myles reminds me of the Al Horford situation in Atlanta. He could do no wrong with Atl's front office, but he was never franchise player material like they tried to market him. They put him at C because they didn't think he could guard 4's and they thought he could be special at the 5 but he always had problems with the real 5's and still does, Robin Lopez is having a great series simply because Horford is too small. Myles is too small, too weak, does not rebound enough, can't finish around the rimn't . Some think those things will change and I am here to tell you they will not.

Here is my big question to those that say position does not matter. Why not play him at the 4 if positions don't matter.

Global Game wrote:Signing Anthony Randolph, Derrick Brown, and Tyler Honeycutt this summer would help.

Drafting Sindarius Thornwell would help with defense in the backcourt

Trading Miles and a non-guaranteed contract for Alexis Ajinca (2nd option Omer Asik) would help.

Stephenson/Heurtel/Ragland
Robinson/Thornwell/Ellis
George/Brown/Honeycutt
Randolph/Young/Seraphin
Turner/Ajinca or Asik/Jefferson

CJ Miles has a player option not a non-guaranteed contract. Since someone will surely give him 10 million plus he's gonna opt out. Anthony Randoph, Derrick Brown and Tyler Huneycutt? When was the last time any of them played in the NBA? I'd take Ajinca for a 2nd round pick, but wouldn't want Asik at all.