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Time to tear it down sell off the players and move the team to Mexico City. They should tear down the Field House and build a walmart! F this game.

Or add a few players and win a title in 2 years?

We should boycott the next game and when no one shows up for the game that would make a statement.

Give your ticket to a wine o from the Wheeler Mission and get drunk instead. Why do they play the GD game, why now just let Cleveland play GSW and get on with it.

I'm gonna love the Mexico City Pacers!! Nate better learn how to speak spanish.

I'll be able to watch the NFL Draft Thursday without needing a split screen for game 6.

We played as good as we can in the first half and as bad as possible for most of the second. we could have put the Ants out there in the second half and won the game.

Wizop wrote:I'll be able to watch the NFL Draft Thursday without needing a split screen for game 6.

We played as good as we can in the first half and as bad as possible for most of the second. we could have put the Ants out there in the second half and won the game.

The 2 halves summed up the entire season perfectly. Jekyll and Hyde.

I was dishearted and ready to make the big trade but then we made it close.

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I see no reason to tear it down unless you get a definitive "I'm not signing an extension" from PG.

Lance can clearly still play and that is a significant injection of talent. Give him a summer to condition and a training camp, there is nice potential for improvement. Myles and GR3 provide nice upside too. Heck, maybe the Pacers acknowledge that Monta can't play and move on from him. Even more potential improvement.

8305 wrote:I see no reason to tear it down unless you get a definitive "I'm not signing an extension" from PG.

Lance can clearly still play and that is a significant injection of talent. Give him a summer to condition and a training camp, there is nice potential for improvement. Myles and GR3 provide nice upside too. Heck, maybe the Pacers acknowledge that Monta can't play and move on from him. Even more potential improvement.

As an outsider looking in, I hope Bird doesn't take this stance and is proactive about moving PG while you guys can still get value for him.

Based on past history with other players in similar circumstances, you should be looking at this situation in a complete 180. That being, you shouldn't consider keeping him unless you get a definitive "I'm definitely staying" from PG. Anything less than that and you get whatever value you can before it's too late and he leaves for nothing. PG seems far more likely to go the way of Aldridge and Durant than he does a Melo or CP3 with how he'd handle a departure. By that I mean, he'll be fairly non-committal to any definitive path on his future until he finally hits FA and then it's too late for the team to do anything about it. In those kind of situations, with a player of PG's personally, if I'm the GM I don't take the route of "I'm not moving a guy until he tells me I should".

Disclaimer: I don't think the Blazers have any shot whatsoever at PG, so I'm not advocating for the Pacers to move him in hopes of my team getting him. Just here as an unbiased observer hoping the Pacers learn from the past mistakes of other franchises.

I want multiple first round picks otherwise I risk getting nothing.

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Wizop wrote:I want multiple first round picks otherwise I risk getting nothing.

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If they move him this summer, I suspect they may be able to get that.

The Kings are a bit of a wildcard team because you never really know what direction they're going and they can turn on a dime. So while I don't suspected they'd do this, I also wouldn't be surprised to see them offer up their two lottery picks for him.

I'm sure you guys would want Boston to pony up the Brooklyn picks, but I'm not convinced they'd be willing to do that without PG agreeing to resign somehow first.

Doubt kings could resign pg.

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I don't say tear it down but I don't say anyway to appease George other than Chris Paul or Gordon Hayward in FA.

DusterBuster wrote:

8305 wrote:I see no reason to tear it down unless you get a definitive "I'm not signing an extension" from PG.

Lance can clearly still play and that is a significant injection of talent. Give him a summer to condition and a training camp, there is nice potential for improvement. Myles and GR3 provide nice upside too. Heck, maybe the Pacers acknowledge that Monta can't play and move on from him. Even more potential improvement.

As an outsider looking in, I hope Bird doesn't take this stance and is proactive about moving PG while you guys can still get value for him.

Based on past history with other players in similar circumstances, you should be looking at this situation in a complete 180. That being, you shouldn't consider keeping him unless you get a definitive "I'm definitely staying" from PG. Anything less than that and you get whatever value you can before it's too late and he leaves for nothing. PG seems far more likely to go the way of Aldridge and Durant than he does a Melo or CP3 with how he'd handle a departure. By that I mean, he'll be fairly non-committal to any definitive path on his future until he finally hits FA and then it's too late for the team to do anything about it. In those kind of situations, with a player of PG's personally, if I'm the GM I don't take the route of "I'm not moving a guy until he tells me I should".

Disclaimer: I don't think the Blazers have any shot whatsoever at PG, so I'm not advocating for the Pacers to move him in hopes of my team getting him. Just here as an unbiased observer hoping the Pacers learn from the past mistakes of other franchises.

Valid points. And won't be surprised to see the scenario you describe. Doesn't make the all NBA and wants to try and get there next year. I was right there with you until Lance came back. Lance and Myles provide upside that makes the situation less clear cut.

8305 wrote:

DusterBuster wrote:

8305 wrote:I see no reason to tear it down unless you get a definitive "I'm not signing an extension" from PG.

Lance can clearly still play and that is a significant injection of talent. Give him a summer to condition and a training camp, there is nice potential for improvement. Myles and GR3 provide nice upside too. Heck, maybe the Pacers acknowledge that Monta can't play and move on from him. Even more potential improvement.

As an outsider looking in, I hope Bird doesn't take this stance and is proactive about moving PG while you guys can still get value for him.

Based on past history with other players in similar circumstances, you should be looking at this situation in a complete 180. That being, you shouldn't consider keeping him unless you get a definitive "I'm definitely staying" from PG. Anything less than that and you get whatever value you can before it's too late and he leaves for nothing. PG seems far more likely to go the way of Aldridge and Durant than he does a Melo or CP3 with how he'd handle a departure. By that I mean, he'll be fairly non-committal to any definitive path on his future until he finally hits FA and then it's too late for the team to do anything about it. In those kind of situations, with a player of PG's personally, if I'm the GM I don't take the route of "I'm not moving a guy until he tells me I should".

Disclaimer: I don't think the Blazers have any shot whatsoever at PG, so I'm not advocating for the Pacers to move him in hopes of my team getting him. Just here as an unbiased observer hoping the Pacers learn from the past mistakes of other franchises.

Valid points. And won't be surprised to see the scenario you describe. Doesn't make the all NBA and wants to try and get there next year. I was right there with you until Lance came back. Lance and Myles provide upside that makes the situation less clear cut.

I understand your optimism, but I'd question if the reintroduction of Lance really has had that much impact on PG himself. Again, going back to recent examples like the Blazers with Aldridge, they crafted a perennial 50+ win team around Aldridge that had its eye set on WCF berths before Wes blew out his ACL. Durant had a perennial 50+ win team around him. The point I'm trying to make is, getting a nice piece to complement a star player doesn't go as far as fans would like to think it does, especially when the player is already contemplating a potential move.

Again, simply looking at it as an unbiased outsider, but I wouldn't give as much credence to the whole idea of Lance being an x-factor that would make the situation "less clear cut".

Not in favor of the Walmart. Make it a Pet Smart, so Paul can buy some new things for his dog. The only creature he wil ever be the dominant one with.

DusterBuster wrote:

8305 wrote:I see no reason to tear it down unless you get a definitive "I'm not signing an extension" from PG.

Lance can clearly still play and that is a significant injection of talent. Give him a summer to condition and a training camp, there is nice potential for improvement. Myles and GR3 provide nice upside too. Heck, maybe the Pacers acknowledge that Monta can't play and move on from him. Even more potential improvement.

As an outsider looking in, I hope Bird doesn't take this stance and is proactive about moving PG while you guys can still get value for him.

Based on past history with other players in similar circumstances, you should be looking at this situation in a complete 180. That being, you shouldn't consider keeping him unless you get a definitive "I'm definitely staying" from PG. Anything less than that and you get whatever value you can before it's too late and he leaves for nothing. PG seems far more likely to go the way of Aldridge and Durant than he does a Melo or CP3 with how he'd handle a departure. By that I mean, he'll be fairly non-committal to any definitive path on his future until he finally hits FA and then it's too late for the team to do anything about it. In those kind of situations, with a player of PG's personally, if I'm the GM I don't take the route of "I'm not moving a guy until he tells me I should".

Disclaimer: I don't think the Blazers have any shot whatsoever at PG, so I'm not advocating for the Pacers to move him in hopes of my team getting him. Just here as an unbiased observer hoping the Pacers learn from the past mistakes of other franchises.

I don't disagree with you one bit. What has really changed things is the new CBA though. For a non committal guy like George if he makes the all-NBA team this year or next the Pacers can offer him $70 mil more than anyone else. If the Blazers would have had that ability I believe LMA is still playing in Portland.

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DusterBuster wrote:

8305 wrote:I see no reason to tear it down unless you get a definitive "I'm not signing an extension" from PG.

Lance can clearly still play and that is a significant injection of talent. Give him a summer to condition and a training camp, there is nice potential for improvement. Myles and GR3 provide nice upside too. Heck, maybe the Pacers acknowledge that Monta can't play and move on from him. Even more potential improvement.

As an outsider looking in, I hope Bird doesn't take this stance and is proactive about moving PG while you guys can still get value for him.

Based on past history with other players in similar circumstances, you should be looking at this situation in a complete 180. That being, you shouldn't consider keeping him unless you get a definitive "I'm definitely staying" from PG. Anything less than that and you get whatever value you can before it's too late and he leaves for nothing. PG seems far more likely to go the way of Aldridge and Durant than he does a Melo or CP3 with how he'd handle a departure. By that I mean, he'll be fairly non-committal to any definitive path on his future until he finally hits FA and then it's too late for the team to do anything about it. In those kind of situations, with a player of PG's personally, if I'm the GM I don't take the route of "I'm not moving a guy until he tells me I should".

Disclaimer: I don't think the Blazers have any shot whatsoever at PG, so I'm not advocating for the Pacers to move him in hopes of my team getting him. Just here as an unbiased observer hoping the Pacers learn from the past mistakes of other franchises.

I don't disagree with you one bit. What has really changed things is the new CBA though. For a non committal guy like George if he makes the all-NBA team this year or next the Pacers can offer him $70 mil more than anyone else. If the Blazers would have had that ability I believe LMA is still playing in Portland.

That's a fair point. I haven't looked into the new CBA as far as the designated player style thing they have in there now. It'll be interesting to see how that plays out with teams and players.

DusterBuster wrote:

8305 wrote:I see no reason to tear it down unless you get a definitive "I'm not signing an extension" from PG.

Lance can clearly still play and that is a significant injection of talent. Give him a summer to condition and a training camp, there is nice potential for improvement. Myles and GR3 provide nice upside too. Heck, maybe the Pacers acknowledge that Monta can't play and move on from him. Even more potential improvement.

As an outsider looking in, I hope Bird doesn't take this stance and is proactive about moving PG while you guys can still get value for him.

Based on past history with other players in similar circumstances, you should be looking at this situation in a complete 180. That being, you shouldn't consider keeping him unless you get a definitive "I'm definitely staying" from PG. Anything less than that and you get whatever value you can before it's too late and he leaves for nothing. PG seems far more likely to go the way of Aldridge and Durant than he does a Melo or CP3 with how he'd handle a departure. By that I mean, he'll be fairly non-committal to any definitive path on his future until he finally hits FA and then it's too late for the team to do anything about it. In those kind of situations, with a player of PG's personally, if I'm the GM I don't take the route of "I'm not moving a guy until he tells me I should".

Disclaimer: I don't think the Blazers have any shot whatsoever at PG, so I'm not advocating for the Pacers to move him in hopes of my team getting him. Just here as an unbiased observer hoping the Pacers learn from the past mistakes of other franchises.

You may be right about PG relative to Durant and Aldridge. However, haven't we since learned that Durant was frustrated with trying to play with Russell Westbrook? Couple that with the almost unheard of opportunity to get paid by a great team. On a lesser level Aldridge had a similar opportunity to get paid by a team who was set up a little better than Portland. And yeah, Portland had some things simply go the wrong direction that last year (Matthews getting hurt and Batum for whatever reason having an off year).

Now PG may want no part of a long term partnership with Lance Stephenson. I could understand that. It could also be pretty simplistic to think there won't be some contender in the summer of 2018 who carves out cap space. The money is probably the best bet. A rule whose outcome is driven by a bunch of sports writers.... go figure.

8305 wrote:

DusterBuster wrote:

8305 wrote:I see no reason to tear it down unless you get a definitive "I'm not signing an extension" from PG.

Lance can clearly still play and that is a significant injection of talent. Give him a summer to condition and a training camp, there is nice potential for improvement. Myles and GR3 provide nice upside too. Heck, maybe the Pacers acknowledge that Monta can't play and move on from him. Even more potential improvement.

As an outsider looking in, I hope Bird doesn't take this stance and is proactive about moving PG while you guys can still get value for him.

Based on past history with other players in similar circumstances, you should be looking at this situation in a complete 180. That being, you shouldn't consider keeping him unless you get a definitive "I'm definitely staying" from PG. Anything less than that and you get whatever value you can before it's too late and he leaves for nothing. PG seems far more likely to go the way of Aldridge and Durant than he does a Melo or CP3 with how he'd handle a departure. By that I mean, he'll be fairly non-committal to any definitive path on his future until he finally hits FA and then it's too late for the team to do anything about it. In those kind of situations, with a player of PG's personally, if I'm the GM I don't take the route of "I'm not moving a guy until he tells me I should".

Disclaimer: I don't think the Blazers have any shot whatsoever at PG, so I'm not advocating for the Pacers to move him in hopes of my team getting him. Just here as an unbiased observer hoping the Pacers learn from the past mistakes of other franchises.

You may be right about PG relative to Durant and Aldridge. However, haven't we since learned that Durant was frustrated with trying to play with Russell Westbrook? Couple that with the almost unheard of opportunity to get paid by a great team. On a lesser level Aldridge had a similar opportunity to get paid by a team who was set up a little better than Portland. And yeah, Portland had some things simply go the wrong direction that last year (Matthews getting hurt and Batum for whatever reason having an off year).

Now PG may want no part of a long term partnership with Lance Stephenson. I could understand that. It could also be pretty simplistic to think there won't be some contender in the summer of 2018 who carves out cap space. The money is probably the best bet. A rule whose outcome is driven by a bunch of sports writers.... go figure.

Certainly no situation is ever 100% exactly the same. I believe Durants frustration wasn't with Russ, but with OKC's management, particularly stemming from the Harden trade. He didn't have faith in management to do what was needed or them to be a contender so he felt he had to go elsewhere. Just going by my gut and some seemingly similar rumblings, this really just feels close enough to those situations where I think PG will have enough doubts about the franchise putting competitive pieces around him to contend that he'll seriously look elsewhere like Durant and Aldridge did.

So yeah, I stand pretty firm of the opinion that the Pacers would be really wise to shop him this summer and get value while they still can. There's some really nice rebuilding pieces from teams who would pony to have him, and that's not always the case on the trade market landscape of the NBA. The absolute worst case scenario is either trying to trade him when those pieces/situations aren't available and you're either forced to take 50c on the dollar or even just lose him for nothing.

If they're able to peel off a Brooklyn pick or two from Boston this year for PG, I think the Pacers would be dumb to turn it down. Get a high lottery pick this year via the trade, have a high lottery pick next year via a rebuilding season and then possibly another high pick via the trade if you can somehow get both.... Combine that with Turner and you've got a nice recipe for a QUICK rebuild right now. I really hope for Pacer fans sake, the team does move him soon.

Oh, and also fire McMillan if you're rebuilding around youth.... lol

I think PG likes having Lance back. He shares the defensive load and is much more vocal.

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