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I know he's featured on the "Ballhog Gloves" commericals on YouTube, but will he still be a part of our team's depth chart entering training camp?

Is he still regarded well among the Pacers organization?

Given the plethora of guards we've added this offseason (Oladipo, Collison, Joseph, Sumner, Bogdanovic, not to mention Lance Stephenson late in the regular season), it's difficult for this fan to envision him having a significant role in the Pacers rotation next season even as we rebuild especially given the fact that he wasn't able to crack this rotation in either of his first two NBA seasons.

I think Joe is gonna lead the Mad Ants in scoring this season.

Right now our four man rotation at the guard spots includes Collison, Joseph, Oladipo, and Stephenson. I like all four of those guys to be primary and off-the-ball contributors. Lance could definitely see some PT at the three considering the match up, so there is a place for Young, especially if the team has some injuries. Sumner signed a two-way contract, so even if he gets healthy sooner than expected, he's limited to how many games he can be with the team.

I don't see any chance that Bogdanovic plays the "two," he would more than likely get burned by most of the league's shooting guards. I could however see GRIII get some playing time at shooting guard, he's more than athletic enough.

All that being said, if Young is on the team, he will have a shot. But, it'll be an uphill battle unless the team has some injuries or Young's 3 point shooting has improved considerably, so much so he can play opposite of Lance or Oladipo.

I think he's on the team. He's cheap and can provide some depth given an injury.

I'm not sure what the details of his contract are as some sites say his contract is not guaranteed while others describe it as a team option but do not say when the option must be exercised. with Collison and Joseph in town and Stephenson capable of playing point in case of injury or foul trouble, it's hard to see minutes for Young. we haven't waived him but that may just mean the critical date is not near. his salary is low enough to carry without consequences though.

a better question might be whether PG will still want him to get cameo appearances in his commercials.

Yeah, as others have said, he's likely been squeezed out of the rotation with the acquisition of Joseph. I don't see many minutes for him, but if he does get to play because of injuries or something, hopefully he makes the most of it because this may be his last chance. Don't see him returnnng for us next year unless he really steps up.

He's not really an NBA player unless he has a significant jump this offseason.

Miller4ever wrote:He's not really an NBA player unless he has a significant jump this offseason.

Agree

Wizop wrote:I'm not sure what the details of his contract are as some sites say his contract is not guaranteed while others describe it as a team option but do not say when the option must be exercised. with Collison and Joseph in town and Stephenson capable of playing point in case of injury or foul trouble, it's hard to see minutes for Young. we haven't waived him but that may just mean the critical date is not near. his salary is low enough to carry without consequences though.

a better question might be whether PG will still want him to get cameo appearances in his commercials.

Ah Ah Ah We don't use the letters "P" and "G" together around here no more.

It's either "Me-G 13" or "PC13", with "PC" standing for "problem child"...

Understand???

HurricaneDij25 wrote:

Wizop wrote:I'm not sure what the details of his contract are as some sites say his contract is not guaranteed while others describe it as a team option but do not say when the option must be exercised. with Collison and Joseph in town and Stephenson capable of playing point in case of injury or foul trouble, it's hard to see minutes for Young. we haven't waived him but that may just mean the critical date is not near. his salary is low enough to carry without consequences though.

a better question might be whether PG will still want him to get cameo appearances in his commercials.

Ah Ah Ah We don't use the letters "P" and "G" together around here no more.

It's either "Me-G 13" or "PC13", with "PC" standing for "problem child"...

Understand???

Post of the summer!!!

Miller4ever wrote:He's not really an NBA player unless he has a significant jump this offseason.

Have to agree. I had hopes for him, but his development hasn't been there really and it's pretty clear he does not have and likely will never have PG skills. So it looks like he's another in a line of many scoring PGs who aren't nearly good enough to justify giving the keys to.

HurricaneDij25 wrote:

Wizop wrote:I'm not sure what the details of his contract are as some sites say his contract is not guaranteed while others describe it as a team option but do not say when the option must be exercised. with Collison and Joseph in town and Stephenson capable of playing point in case of injury or foul trouble, it's hard to see minutes for Young. we haven't waived him but that may just mean the critical date is not near. his salary is low enough to carry without consequences though.

a better question might be whether PG will still want him to get cameo appearances in his commercials.

Ah Ah Ah We don't use the letters "P" and "G" together around here no more.

It's either "Me-G 13" or "PC13", with "PC" standing for "problem child"...

Understand???

what did PG ever do to you? if anything he made the pacers more tolerable to watch

Lil_Chipmunk wrote:

HurricaneDij25 wrote:

Wizop wrote:I'm not sure what the details of his contract are as some sites say his contract is not guaranteed while others describe it as a team option but do not say when the option must be exercised. with Collison and Joseph in town and Stephenson capable of playing point in case of injury or foul trouble, it's hard to see minutes for Young. we haven't waived him but that may just mean the critical date is not near. his salary is low enough to carry without consequences though.

a better question might be whether PG will still want him to get cameo appearances in his commercials.

Ah Ah Ah We don't use the letters "P" and "G" together around here no more.

It's either "Me-G 13" or "PC13", with "PC" standing for "problem child"...

Understand???

what did PG ever do to you? if anything he made the pacers more tolerable to watch

Plain and simple - George is a diva who blames his surroundings when things don't go his way and/or spoon fed to him, whether that happens to be the refs, his uniform, or his teammates.

Fans in Indiana loved him because he happened to be the best player on a team that took the Heat to the full seven games one year, and he would proceed to be lauded as the next "up-and-coming young superstar" as a result. While I myself was never a George fanboy, I've always respected and appreciated his skills and contributions to what was an eastern conference contender at the time.

That being said, he's not a player you could "live and die" by and expect to compete for titles.

He never was.

HurricaneDij25 wrote:

Lil_Chipmunk wrote:

HurricaneDij25 wrote:
Ah Ah Ah We don't use the letters "P" and "G" together around here no more.

It's either "Me-G 13" or "PC13", with "PC" standing for "problem child"...

Understand???

what did PG ever do to you? if anything he made the pacers more tolerable to watch

Plain and simple - George is a diva who blames his surroundings when things don't go his way and/or spoon fed to him, whether that happens to be the refs, his uniform, or his teammates.

Fans in Indiana loved him because he happened to be the best player on a team that took the Heat to the full seven games one year, and he would proceed to be lauded as the next "up-and-coming young superstar" as a result. While I myself was never a George fanboy, I've always respected and appreciated his skills and contributions to what was an eastern conference contender at the time.

That being said, he's not a player you could "live and die" by and expect to compete for titles.

He never was.

he left a crappy team that was never going to be a contender can you blame him? at least he gave the pacers a chance to trade him instead of leaving them for nothing next year

Lil_Chipmunk wrote:he left a crappy team that was never going to be a contender can you blame him? at least he gave the pacers a chance to trade him instead of leaving them for nothing next year

We were a contender for several years not that long ago. Him breaking his leg messed it all up. Not saying it was his fault, but that was the last shot for that team and it's only been 2 seasons since then. It takes time to retool.

And saying another team is crappy and will never be a contender is kind of rich coming from a Bucks fan. If you take out losing in the ECF in 01, the Bucks have 11 first round losses since 89-90 and every other season was in the lottery.

Lil_Chipmunk wrote:

HurricaneDij25 wrote:

Lil_Chipmunk wrote:
what did PG ever do to you? if anything he made the pacers more tolerable to watch

Plain and simple - George is a diva who blames his surroundings when things don't go his way and/or spoon fed to him, whether that happens to be the refs, his uniform, or his teammates.

Fans in Indiana loved him because he happened to be the best player on a team that took the Heat to the full seven games one year, and he would proceed to be lauded as the next "up-and-coming young superstar" as a result. While I myself was never a George fanboy, I've always respected and appreciated his skills and contributions to what was an eastern conference contender at the time.

That being said, he's not a player you could "live and die" by and expect to compete for titles.

He never was.

he left a crappy team that was never going to be a contender can you blame him? at least he gave the pacers a chance to trade him instead of leaving them for nothing next year

Yes, I blame HIM.

The only thing he did was allow for us to acquire just enough return value to have a good chance at devoting ourselves to mediocrity.
Both he and the Pacers would have been better off if George would have played through his contract before deciding on his future, like a man should. But George has proven time and time again than he's not a man and that he's actually a diva. The guy averaged all of five free throw attempts per game last season. Do you realize how SOFT and LAZY that is for a guy widely considered to be a superstar player??? He basically thought that by jumping into Kobe's "magic shadow" that he wouldn't have to work as hard for his points...

And my suggestion to you is to focus on your own team's problems before your playoff drought reaches Buffalo Bills territory.

pacers33granger wrote:

Lil_Chipmunk wrote:he left a crappy team that was never going to be a contender can you blame him? at least he gave the pacers a chance to trade him instead of leaving them for nothing next year

We were a contender for several years not that long ago. Him breaking his leg messed it all up. Not saying it was his fault, but that was the last shot for that team and it's only been 2 seasons since then. It takes time to retool.

And saying another team is crappy and will never be a contender is kind of rich coming from a Bucks fan. If you take out losing in the ECF in 01, the Bucks have 11 first round losses since 89-90 and every other season was in the lottery.

My bad I thought he was a Timberwolves fan. Apparently my eyes deceived me. LOL

pacers33granger wrote:

Lil_Chipmunk wrote:he left a crappy team that was never going to be a contender can you blame him? at least he gave the pacers a chance to trade him instead of leaving them for nothing next year

We were a contender for several years not that long ago. Him breaking his leg messed it all up. Not saying it was his fault, but that was the last shot for that team and it's only been 2 seasons since then. It takes time to retool.

And saying another team is crappy and will never be a contender is kind of rich coming from a Bucks fan. If you take out losing in the ECF in 01, the Bucks have 11 first round losses since 89-90 and every other season was in the lottery.

Does lose some logic there - when the pot calls the kettle black

I agree that Young hasn't really proved himself to be worth rotation minutes at this level, but he can't be the worst 3rd string point guard around. I'm totally fine with keeping him around in that role. If he makes a significant jump, then good for him. If not, oh well. There is no one in particular I feel just desperately deserves as a chance on the team and isn't getting it because Young is here.

For a third string point guard, it's usually either a young guy that might prove to be better than he has shown but probably won't or an old vet that might have a game here or there showing what he once was but not often.

It's crazy to me that Joe Young and Cory joseph are the same age, opposite career arcs I guess.

Right now he is just here for depth in case of injury and to help the Mad Ants make some noise.