Solomon Hill

[HurricaneDij25]

Now that PC13 is gone, would the Pacers consider looking into the possibility of re-acquiring him if he doesn't work out in New Orleans?

I don't know if Pritchard was part of the group that declined to pick up the 4th-year option on Hill's rookie deal, but I was a big fan of his during his short time here and am of firm belief that Vogel did not use him right. He could hold down to fort for us defensively at SF and has the talent to average double figures scoring in the right system.

My idea would be Hill in exchange for GR3 and Thad Young. May seem like a steep price to pay for a role player, however...

I'd do it if it meant being out from under Thad's contract. He has no place in the team's long-term plans. Both he and Pacers fans learned the hard way last season that he ain't in Brooklyn no more, where he could pad his stats. He's a bench player on a team that matters, and I don't see anyone giving us a first rounder for him if we were to start him next season to try and create value. And if he were to come off the bench behind Turner and Sabonis like he should, then he likely picks up his player option for the 2018-19 season, which creates another issue in itself.

And as much as I love GR3 and his personality (he and I are from the same part of Indiana), he too is going to command a significant payday in the near future and I don't think he will be worth it. At 6-6, he's a little undersized and may struggle to defend opposing SF's. and obviously we now have considerable depth at both backcourt positions.

Thoughts on the idea of bringing back Solo?

[SmashMouthRod]

I wouldn't give up GR3 for Solo one on one. So no way I do Gr3 and Thad. I don't like Solos contract to be honest. I would rather take my chances that GR3 grows into an expensive player on our watch while we continue to draft well and comb the d league / summer league bargain bins for quality young players. Maybe we get Solo back in a couple years on a more reasonable deal to give us some mins as a backup 3.

[boomershadow]

I don't see any particular need to get "out from under" Thad Young's contract. He doesn't make much more than a fairly typical starting player in this league. We played a lot worse last season without him when he went out with that wrist injury.

We can move his contract for some minor asset if it seems both our young power forwards are deserving of rotation minutes. Even if we don't, if he doesn't exercise his player option he would free up a lot of cap space for us after next year.

[Moooose]

Tough as it is, but it seems to me that Solo has already had his peak. I'd go for someone with a higher ceiling if we are to give up GRIII and / or Thad Young.

[Pacers_Freak]

I was a fan of Solo when he was here. But his contract is not good. I mean good for him on getting paid, but I wouldn't want us to take it on.

[pacers33granger]

If we were ok paying him what he's getting paid then I would have preferred throwing an offer at Roberson instead. Though we know Simon would nix that given he was a RFA....

[CableKC]

I loved Solo as a SF coming off the bench....but he's overpaid for what he does. Also, his $12.5+ mil per year salary goes all the way until the Summer of 2020. I think that KP wants to have huge salary cap flexibilty by the Summer of 2019.

[basketballwacko2]

Now that PC13 is gone, would the Pacers consider looking into the possibility of re-acquiring him if he doesn't work out in New Orleans?

I don't know if Pritchard was part of the group that declined to pick up the 4th-year option on Hill's rookie deal, but I was a big fan of his during his short time here and am of firm belief that Vogel did not use him right. He could hold down to fort for us defensively at SF and has the talent to average double figures scoring in the right system.

My idea would be Hill in exchange for GR3 and Thad Young. May seem like a steep price to pay for a role player, however...

I'd do it if it meant being out from under Thad's contract. He has no place in the team's long-term plans. Both he and Pacers fans learned the hard way last season that he ain't in Brooklyn no more, where he could pad his stats. He's a bench player on a team that matters, and I don't see anyone giving us a first rounder for him if we were to start him next season to try and create value. And if he were to come off the bench behind Turner and Sabonis like he should, then he likely picks up his player option for the 2018-19 season, which creates another issue in itself.

And as much as I love GR3 and his personality (he and I are from the same part of Indiana), he too is going to command a significant payday in the near future and I don't think he will be worth it. At 6-6, he's a little undersized and may struggle to defend opposing SF's. and obviously we now have considerable depth at both backcourt positions.

Thoughts on the idea of bringing back Solo?

No Hill is massively over paid. I'd rather keep GRIII and Thad and look to move Thad at the deadline.

[HurricaneDij25]

If we were ok paying him what he's getting paid then I would have preferred throwing an offer at Roberson instead. Though we know Simon would nix that given he was a RFA....

Rebuilding Pacers have no place to roster someone that's strictly a defensive presence, which Roberson is. He can't shoot. At all. At least Solo has shown some promise as a shooter.

[HurricaneDij25]

Now that PC13 is gone, would the Pacers consider looking into the possibility of re-acquiring him if he doesn't work out in New Orleans?

I don't know if Pritchard was part of the group that declined to pick up the 4th-year option on Hill's rookie deal, but I was a big fan of his during his short time here and am of firm belief that Vogel did not use him right. He could hold down to fort for us defensively at SF and has the talent to average double figures scoring in the right system.

My idea would be Hill in exchange for GR3 and Thad Young. May seem like a steep price to pay for a role player, however...

I'd do it if it meant being out from under Thad's contract. He has no place in the team's long-term plans. Both he and Pacers fans learned the hard way last season that he ain't in Brooklyn no more, where he could pad his stats. He's a bench player on a team that matters, and I don't see anyone giving us a first rounder for him if we were to start him next season to try and create value. And if he were to come off the bench behind Turner and Sabonis like he should, then he likely picks up his player option for the 2018-19 season, which creates another issue in itself.

And as much as I love GR3 and his personality (he and I are from the same part of Indiana), he too is going to command a significant payday in the near future and I don't think he will be worth it. At 6-6, he's a little undersized and may struggle to defend opposing SF's. and obviously we now have considerable depth at both backcourt positions.

Thoughts on the idea of bringing back Solo?

No Hill is massively over paid. I'd rather keep GRIII and Thad and look to move Thad at the deadline.

Just curious as what some of you think what kind of asset we could net for Thad at the deadline...Maybe a relatively useless 2nd round pick??? To me I think it's wasted effort to play a guy just to build up his trade value if that's all we could potentially receive. This isn't baseball where we'd have multiple levels of minor league affiliates to build up.

Contract details aside I'd take Solo ten times out of ten over a 2nd round pick.

[basketballwacko2]

No Hill is massively over paid. I'd rather keep GRIII and Thad and look to move Thad at the deadline.

Just curious as what some of you think what kind of asset we could net for Thad at the deadline...Maybe a relatively useless 2nd round pick??? To me I think it's wasted effort to play a guy just to build up his trade value if that's all we could potentially receive. This isn't baseball where we'd have multiple levels of minor league affiliates to build up.

Contract details aside I'd take Solo ten times out of ten over a 2nd round pick.

That's a good question the thing is it depends. Trading Thad Young at the dead line would be sending him to a team that is a contender and they need a power forward. My thought was the Young was going to opt out of his contract after this season. But considering the nuclear winter of teams not giving out the crazy contracts like we saw in summer 2016, he might opt in rather that risking become a $2-3 million a year guy.

There are teams that could really use him right now OKC is one, they have a couple of extra 2nd round picks but no #1's to trade till 2020. Considering Washington gave a #1 for Bodanovic and dumped Nicholson. There will be teams looking to get out of some of those big 2016 contracts like Ian Mahinmi. Say trade dead line time what would the Wiz give to swap Thad for Ian? If Thad opts out they cut 2 full years off of that deal, if he comes back he's gonna help them more than a guy they get at 24-25.

Target teams would be OKC, Washington, Charlotte, and a couple others. Depending on what the Pacers take back they could get paid off pretty well to send Thad out.

[Wizop]

How few games would we have to have won at the deadline to make the tanking move of trading Thad?

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[AussiePacer]

We've got such an inexperienced squad at the 4 position that I see no reason to trade Thad unless we get a very strong offer. The developing players can still get minutes throughout the season and Thad makes us a better team and will take some pressure off our younger bigs.


Back on track, I like Solo as a 3 and D option, but as others have said, not at this price/contract. GR3 has all the tools to play this role for us and a higher ceiling than Solo.

[JeffFosters]

Solo is a fine player.. but he had much better looks last season than he'd get in Indy, and he put up a TS% of .527, which was good for 271st in the NBA. He was below Michael Kidd-Gilchrist and Derek Rose. If he's not a knockdown shooter, and he's not a great athlete, what exactly is he bringing to the squad?

[JeffFosters]

Solo is a fine player.. but he had much better looks last season than he'd get in Indy, and he put up a TS% of .527, which was good for 271st in the NBA. He was below Michael Kidd-Gilchrist and Derek Rose. If he's not a knockdown shooter, and he's not a great athlete, what exactly is he bringing to the squad?

[tocooks101]

I want no part of Solomon Hill, terrible contract, below average player.

As for Thad Young, any 1st round pick for him is a win.

[HurricaneDij25]

I want no part of Solomon Hill, terrible contract, below average player.

As for Thad Young, any 1st round pick for him is a win.

Moot point now that he just had hamstring surgery, but I don't think Solo's contract is as bad as most make it out to be. He's not much of a stats guy, but he's a plucky role player who if nothing else will give you effort. And when he became an unrestricted free agent in 2016, he wanted to re-sign here, which is more than what we could say about a certain other player that has started at SF for us in recent years. Plus, he has the talent to drop a game or two like this one from time to time:

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Hill for Thad straight up would be a realistic trade idea for next summer once Solo is fully healthy again, especially if DeMarcus Cousins were to leave N.O. as a free agent.

[tocooks101]

I want no part of Solomon Hill, terrible contract, below average player.

As for Thad Young, any 1st round pick for him is a win.

Moot point now that he just had hamstring surgery, but I don't think Solo's contract is as bad as most make it out to be. He's not much of a stats guy, but he's a plucky role player who if nothing else will give you effort. And when he became an unrestricted free agent in 2016, he wanted to re-sign here, which is more than what we could say about a certain other player that has started at SF for us in recent years. Plus, he has the talent to drop a game or two like this one from time to time:

Watch on YouTube

Hill for Thad straight up would be a realistic trade idea for next summer once Solo is fully healthy again, especially if DeMarcus Cousins were to leave N.O. as a free agent.

I would cringe if we made that deal. I actually 100% disagree on Solomon HIll with you. I think his biggest knock is NOT always bringing effort and energy, he seems to coast for long periods of time, his numbers don't show up in the hustle stats (Reb Stl blks) and he hasn't made any big strides in his game since he came into the league, I believe Larry has made similar comments on his work ethic.

His contract is terrible, it makes him a negative asset in my mind and Thad Young is a positive assest, I definitely would not consider that deal.

[basketballwacko2]

Hill is on a bad contract and he's out with surgery on his hamstring muscle. No point.

[HurricaneDij25]

I want no part of Solomon Hill, terrible contract, below average player.

As for Thad Young, any 1st round pick for him is a win.

Moot point now that he just had hamstring surgery, but I don't think Solo's contract is as bad as most make it out to be. He's not much of a stats guy, but he's a plucky role player who if nothing else will give you effort. And when he became an unrestricted free agent in 2016, he wanted to re-sign here, which is more than what we could say about a certain other player that has started at SF for us in recent years. Plus, he has the talent to drop a game or two like this one from time to time:

Watch on YouTube

Hill for Thad straight up would be a realistic trade idea for next summer once Solo is fully healthy again, especially if DeMarcus Cousins were to leave N.O. as a free agent.

I would cringe if we made that deal. I actually 100% disagree on Solomon HIll with you. I think his biggest knock is NOT always bringing effort and energy, he seems to coast for long periods of time, his numbers don't show up in the hustle stats (Reb Stl blks) and he hasn't made any big strides in his game since he came into the league, I believe Larry has made similar comments on his work ethic.

His contract is terrible, it makes him a negative asset in my mind and Thad Young is a positive assest, I definitely would not consider that deal.

Well this certainly answers my question as to whom was responsible for not picking up the 4th year option on Hill's rookie deal. And it leads me to wonder if Pritchard would have had a different outlook on his game than Bird did.

To me, rebounds and blocks are not the best indicator for the effort level of a wing player. Larry Bird is a little too old school in that regard. If you could provide a link to that said Larry quote, I would much appreciate it, because what I'm remembering is when Hill started 78 games during the year PC13 was injured and the team did everything to scratch and claw to remain in playoff contention. Maybe he entered 2015 training camp out of shape, but he's not the first player to have ever done that...

When healthy, Solo is a guy with the size and the length to hold down the fort defensively at the SF position, and make no mistake the Pacers will play at a faster pace than the Pelicans, so he would see a production boost if he were to ever return.

My ultimate concern here is that we have no one on our current roster to adequately defend the SF position. You're telling me that you're comfortable with GR3 matched up with LeBron for 30-35 minutes??? I'm certainly not, especially considering we had a capable 3-and-D guy on our roster just two short years ago...