Potential FA to pursue this offseason

[Wizop]

Reports have us signing CJ Wilcox to the 2nd two way spot. That means Moore is up in the air. He could get the 15th real contract, be cut, be an Ant, or Sumner could get a full time deal allowing Moore to stay on a two way.

[Jake0890]

CJ Wilcox can... shoot. I guess that's good enough nowadays.

[Wizop]

CJ Wilcox can... shoot. I guess that's good enough nowadays.

that's certainly what he brings that Moore didn't. but it's a low risk two way.

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[Scoot McGroot]

No guarantee he stays as a 2 way out of camp. It’s only a $50k guarantee so easy to eat it if we something in an Elijah Stewart or someone else.

[winter_mute_13]

Got to admit, he didn't particularly stand out to me in SL, but wings who can shoot are generally a good bet, especially for so little investment. I'm in favor (not that my opinion matters).

[Moooose]

Good signing, shooting is definitely his biggest (and perhaps, only) strength. Was considered a sleeper back in the draft but didn't pan out. Maybe not yet.

[Wizop]

No guarantee he stays as a 2 way out of camp. It’s only a $50k guarantee so easy to eat it if we something in an Elijah Stewart or someone else.

sure but we still have a roster spot if we see something special. CJ can just be an Ant barring injuries. really though I don't see anyone coming who will actually play regularly unless they are ready to give up on TJ.

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[Scoot McGroot]

No guarantee he stays as a 2 way out of camp. It’s only a $50k guarantee so easy to eat it if we something in an Elijah Stewart or someone else.

sure but we still have a roster spot if we see something special. CJ can just be an Ant barring injuries. really though I don't see anyone coming who will actually play regularly unless they are ready to give up on TJ.

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I think Somner could snag a promotion earlier than later, too.


In other news, Joe Young is signing in China.

[Wizop]

I think Somner could snag a promotion earlier than later.

agree. Sumner could get a regular contract if we need another two way.

[Scoot McGroot]

I think Somner could snag a promotion earlier than later.

agree. Sumner could get a regular contract if we need another two way.

Yeah. I think we keep the 15th clear to start the season though, but if Somner continues to show out well in camp, I’m not sure we’d keep him on the two way for long.

[Scoot McGroot]

Trevor Booker signing in China, too. Makes 3 guys from last year’s roster heading to China in Al, Joe Young, and now Booker.

[Jake0890]

Trevor Booker signing in China, too. Makes 3 guys from last year’s roster heading to China in Al, Joe Young, and now Booker.

Booker is not like the others, though. He’s still an NBA talent and will sign for some contender after the Chinese season is over.

[Scoot McGroot]

Trevor Booker signing in China, too. Makes 3 guys from last year’s roster heading to China in Al, Joe Young, and now Booker.

Booker is not like the others, though. He’s still an NBA talent and will sign for some contender after the Chinese season is over.

He’s still taking a pay cut though. He allegedly is getting $2m there. His minimum salary is $2.2m this year. Even worse, he only would’ve cost, and count against the cap, for a team at $1.5m (the nba pays the rest so that vets don’t get blackballed for younger talent due to the rising cost of minimum deals). Seems like someone would’ve given him a one year deal, but apparently not.

[Topofthekey]

So there was a thread a while back in the T&T board about Pacers trading for Jimmy Butler

And of course before that, there was a report about Butler and Kyrie Irving talking among themselves of teaming up

My initial thought has always been it's difficult to see Kyrie and Vic coexisting, they both need the ball in their hands to be their most effective. Add to that Kyrie is meh on defense, and Vic is a little undersized at SG, it seems like someone like Kyle Lowry, someone who plays defense, shoots well, and is effective without the ball, would be a better fit with Vic

However, I've warmed up a bit to the prospects of a Vic-Kyrie backcourt recently

Kyrie, even with his shortcomings on defense, is pretty clutch on offense, and is a pretty good shooter it seems (he shot above 40% 3pt this last season). For those possessions when Vic is the one creating with the ball, perhaps Kyrie can learn to take advantage of the defense's attention on Vic and capitalize a bit more on his shooting. And with Kyrie shouldering a huge chunk of the burden on offense, Vic who has good instincts on defense is perhaps then free to expand more energy on the defensive end. Who knows, maybe there is a way for them to coexist after all

So, what are the chances of the Pacers actually landing both Butler and Kyrie in FA next year?

Is it realistic?

[Wizop]

However, I've warmed up a bit to the prospects of a Vic-Kyrie backcourt recently

and I've warmed to the prospects of a Vic-Tyreke backcourt

So, what are the chances of the Pacers actually landing both Butler and Kyrie in FA next year?

slim to none although Butler would be huge and if finding a spot for Kyrie is the price of getting him you'd have to pay it.

[Scoot McGroot]

So there was a thread a while back in the T&T board about Pacers trading for Jimmy Butler

And of course before that, there was a report about Butler and Kyrie Irving talking among themselves of teaming up

My initial thought has always been it's difficult to see Kyrie and Vic coexisting, they both need the ball in their hands to be their most effective. Add to that Kyrie is meh on defense, and Vic is a little undersized at SG, it seems like someone like Kyle Lowry, someone who plays defense, shoots well, and is effective without the ball, would be a better fit with Vic

However, I've warmed up a bit to the prospects of a Vic-Kyrie backcourt recently

Kyrie, even with his shortcomings on defense, is pretty clutch on offense, and is a pretty good shooter it seems (he shot above 40% 3pt this last season). For those possessions when Vic is the one creating with the ball, perhaps Kyrie can learn to take advantage of the defense's attention on Vic and capitalize a bit more on his shooting. And with Kyrie shouldering a huge chunk of the burden on offense, Vic who has good instincts on defense is perhaps then free to expand more energy on the defensive end. Who knows, maybe there is a way for them to coexist after all

So, what are the chances of the Pacers actually landing both Butler and Kyrie in FA next year?

Is it realistic?

Adding both Kyrie and Butler would require dumping everyone for no return salary except Dom and Vic, and keeping Myles unsigned and on his cap hold. Trading away first round pick as well. And renouncing everyone. It’s be Kyrie/Vic/Butler/Dom/Myles with just the room exception and vet minimum (could keep Alize and Somner). No one else.

[pacers33granger]

Kyrie has strong potential to be a bad contract real quick. Best case scenario, you're expecting somewhere around 65 games out of him yearly (he's averaged 63 a year) and odds are you're getting a lot less than that several of the coming years. When healthy he's barely in the top 5 PGs imo, so it's just not worth it.

[Tom White]

Kyrie has strong potential to be a bad contract real quick. Best case scenario, you're expecting somewhere around 65 games out of him yearly (he's averaged 63 a year) and odds are you're getting a lot less than that several of the coming years. When healthy he's barely in the top 5 PGs imo, so it's just not worth it.

I agree. I'll add that there has always been something about him (other than his "flat Earth" belief) that just doesn't set right with me. Hard to put a definition on it, but just something about his demeanor.

[Scoot McGroot]

Kyrie has strong potential to be a bad contract real quick. Best case scenario, you're expecting somewhere around 65 games out of him yearly (he's averaged 63 a year) and odds are you're getting a lot less than that several of the coming years. When healthy he's barely in the top 5 PGs imo, so it's just not worth it.

I agree. I'll add that there has always been something about him (other than his "flat Earth" belief) that just doesn't set right with me. Hand to put a definition on it, but just something about his demeanor.

he’s the type of superstar that you can’t really put out as the face of the franchise. He’s old school in that he really just doesn’t care, and would rather avoid that. He won’t just say what a franchise wants him to say or do what they want him to do.

He’s kind of the opposite of Vic. Vic is naturally personable and oozes charisma. He’s super appreciative and feels a sense of home. Kyrie is truly like a mercenary in this regards. He traveled so much growing up he doesn’t really have a “home” and feels a sense of freedom that way.

[basketballwacko2]

Kyrie has strong potential to be a bad contract real quick. Best case scenario, you're expecting somewhere around 65 games out of him yearly (he's averaged 63 a year) and odds are you're getting a lot less than that several of the coming years. When healthy he's barely in the top 5 PGs imo, so it's just not worth it.

2 points #1 we will not be able to sign Kyrie because he won't sign with us. #2 we shouldn't sign him unless he's coming in at a discount for 3 years which he won't.