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Washington is stuck in the middle and may soon look to move his contract.

My trade idea was Porter for Bogdanovic, Cory Joseph (if he opts in), T.J. Leaf, our unprotected 2019 first round pick, and a future second round pick.

Would you do a deal like this?

Among the list of 2019 FA's I like include Kawhi Leonard, Khris Middleton, and Terry Rozier. All three have their drawbacks, however. Kawhi can't seem to get healthy, Bucks fans haven't been too happy with Middleton's defense, and Rozier will be restricted and could still sign an extension beforehand.

For those reasons, if this Porter deal were available to me I would jump on it. I would take the sure thing over who the hell knows.

I'd trade for Porter but I wouldn't give up nearly that much. teams trying to unload contracts are at a bargaining disadvantage and we have some cap room so salaries don't have to completely match.

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I like Otto Porter but don't feel like he's that much of an upgrade over Bogie. He might be an upgrade but not so much that we give up that many assets for him...Kawhi Leonard would be huge but I am still confused about his situation in San Antonio. Seems like a pretty drama free organization and it seems like he doesn't want to be there anymore.

Kris Middleton would be a good pickup. He does get limited coverage since he gets to play off the Greek Freak, so he might have more of a defensive focus on the Pacers. Still think he would be a good fit.

Terry Rozier might have a lot of interest this summer, but still have a feeling the Celtics will find a way to keep him.

I personally think the Pacers should go after Aaron Gordon. Orlando doesn't want to pay him and it gives the Pacers an athletic forward with tons of upside. His outside shooting has improved tremendously and he has learned how to use his athleticism to rebound. Plus he is only 22 years old, which is perfect for the team that Indiana is trying to build (replacement for the aging Thad Young).

Nah, the price you listed is too high. We're giving essentially two first round picks, our starting SF, and PG for a 3&D small forward on a max contract?

No thanks. I like Otto Porter, but acquiring him and his contract needs to be factored in to the price.

HurricaneDij25 wrote:Washington is stuck in the middle and may soon look to move his contract.

My trade idea was Porter for Bogdanovic, Cory Joseph (if he opts in), T.J. Leaf, our unprotected 2019 first round pick, and a future second round pick.

He's a good player, but you are being WAY too generous with that offer. That is the sort of trade that gets a GM fired.

No, thank you.

I'd trade Myles Turner to get Otto Porter.

As far as small forwards go, Porter ranks 3rd in steals (BoBo not even top 30), 5th in rebounding (BoBo not even in top 30), 2nd in 3% (better than BoBo), 4th in FG% (better than BoBo), 7th in AST/TO (BoBo in the top 60).

One of the things missing, are the amount of free throws he takes, but I really like his attitude on the court and besides his rookie year where he wasn't allowed to play, he never missed 10 or more games of a season. I wish Myles had such good health.

The Wizards problem is not their 1, 2 or 3, but are their 5s who don't have any range and a very average 4 they have.
Some players get better in the playoffs. Last season in the playoffs, Otto Porter had a whopping 130 ORtg. PG going bananas on the Raptors had a 121 ORtg.

5 men units have to make the difference in close playoff games. The Pacers are not at full strength if they have to keep their third best player benched. Otto is a big upgrade compared to BoBo. Is the same age as Victor and locked in on a reasonable deal for just as many years.

The Wizards are desperate to get a modern smallball 5 but have little options left considering the salary Wall is shoveling in the next years. They need to make a move and have a good substitution for Otto in Oubre.

They don't scare me however if they get Turner. Guys like Turner and PG get drafted a little late for good reasons. PG lacks the killer mentality and ballhandling, Myles the physical strength and rebounding. Players like Oladipo and Porter, who were drafted 2nd and 3rd have better tools to work with if they have the right hardworking attitude.

Myles Turner hasn't improved his rebounding and scoring per 36 minutes. He has improved his passing and his long range shooting.
Otto Porter has improved every season having a 18.4 PER today. We are talking about a very good player here.

A late first round pick, a clear downgrade SF, a non starting point guard and a rookie who might be too slow to guard 4s and too small to guard 5s. I doubt that can convince the Wizards to deal their very good starting small forward.

But feel free to take it to the T&T board to have some other opinions on the matter.
Otto Porter gets my respect though. I think he deserves it.

I would not trade Turner in the East no matter what we get back.

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Turner for Otto????



EVEN IF they were the same age (Turner is much younger) and on the same contract (Otto is far more expensive) I would not take the trade straight up. Too many guys add what Porter does. To be giving up Turner for Porter as it stands would be absolutely ridiculous and there's not a chance KP would even consider it. Doesn't fit what he's trying to build and nothing that he's done to this point makes it seem that he's willing to make a roster move like this.

Wizop wrote:I would not trade Turner in the East no matter what we get back.

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I got 2, Porter and my wet dream, Jayson Tatum.

Injuries always worry me, so that is why Simmons is too much of a risk for me.

Embiid is a douche bag, so I wouldn't trade Joe Young for him. And I would cut Joe Young this offseason

Jake0890 wrote:Turner for Otto????



EVEN IF they were the same age (Turner is much younger) and on the same contract (Otto is far more expensive) I would not take the trade straight up. Too many guys add what Porter does. To be giving up Turner for Porter as it stands would be absolutely ridiculous and there's not a chance KP would even consider it. Doesn't fit what he's trying to build and nothing that he's done to this point makes it seem that he's willing to make a roster move like this.

Oladipo

Is the man that carries the Pacers. Next year he will likely start thinking about contending, if not already.
Excuses like he is only 22 years hold, will hold less value next season because the clock is ticking for Oladipo, who is ready to contend.

Turner has a lot to improve. If he does, great. If he doesn't, the Pacers have an even younger center, locked in for 1 more year.
Shotblocking and rim protection is nice, but overall defense is what matters. Sabonis defense is good enough for me with exceptions against certain players.

We lost all 6 games without Oladipo, so that doesn't exactly scream Turner as future second option to me. PG knows a thing or two too about how much Turner adds. He played with him, saw his potential and wanted out.

Was Paul wrong about Myles his limited potential? Possibly, but the fact remains he didn't see enough potential to stick around.
I don't see the great defensive potential either to be honest. Nor offensively besides long range shooting.

Is Porter one of a kind? No, but he has few weaknesses to his game and excels in some area's. He plays hard and is a very good shooter. Knowing the Pacers have Sabonis and Turner is no Towns are close to it, it can turn out to become a bad trade, but never a terrible trade, because it makes some sense to consider it. The Harden trade made sense, the Oladipo/Sabonis trade made sense for the Thunder.

I remember I was getting the same reactions when I tried to trade Hibbert for Gobert or Valanciunas (and others I wish to forget ) or Granger for Klay/Iggy/Millsap (and others I would like to forget ) so I will do my best to absorb all the reasons you have written down why Turner for Porter is a bad trade and forget the less constructive arguments made

One of the things I learned here is that it only takes a few months to completely change the perceived winner of a trade.
The Wizards have a 21-19 0.525 record when John Wall didn't play and Otto was second option of their team.
The Wizards now have 0.538 record. As far as I'm concerned that is a positive sign for the impact Porter has.

Otto Porter is a very good player with some very good stats, so he is much more than the guy losing his opponent completely out of sight as shown in shaqtin. If anything, it showed how serious he was taking his job. I like players like that and I will continue to defend them if I believe they don't get the respect they deserve.

Bogdanovich is getting the job done and it goes beyond what is reflected in the stat sheets. And yeah, i too think that it would be too much for Porter.

Moooose wrote:Bogdanovich is getting the job done and it goes beyond what is reflected in the stat sheets. And yeah, i too think that it would be too much for Porter.

It goes beyond me too, no matter how many clarifications I'm provided with. Let's hope we can keep him then when other teams throw money at him to start for their team. It would provide me some more time to figure out why others see a starter in him besides emotional reasons.

If we get a player like Kemba and Turner grows a third arm to hide the lack of playmaking, defense, rebounding, steals other small forwards can bring, sure, BoBo could be a starting option. He is very smart and a very good shooter, but when talking about contending, he is one of the first to fail the test to gather a group of allround players to beat the teams with superstars.

Everything what happens this season looks like a win because of low expectations but as soon as next season kicks off, homecourt is all what matters and the players who are getting the job done right now, need to show that can make a difference when playing against the best teams. That is doubtfull with BoBo's overall game. As backup, great.

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Moooose wrote:Bogdanovich is getting the job done and it goes beyond what is reflected in the stat sheets. And yeah, i too think that it would be too much for Porter.

It goes beyond me too, no matter how many clarifications I'm provided with. Let's hope we can keep him then when other teams throw money at him to start for their team. It would provide me some more time to figure out why others see a starter in him besides emotional reasons.

If we get a player like Kemba and Turner grows a third arm to hide the lack of playmaking, defense, rebounding, steals other small forwards can bring, sure, BoBo could be a starting option. He is very smart and a very good shooter, but when talking about contending, he is one of the first to fail the test to gather a group of allround players to beat the teams with superstars.

Everything what happens this season looks like a win because of low expectations but as soon as next season kicks off, homecourt is all what matters and the players who are getting the job done right now, need to show that can make a difference when playing against the best teams. That is doubtfull with BoBo's overall game. As backup, great.

Sure.

Moooose wrote:Sure.

I see, but certainty goes beyond the full comprehension of life. Compared with happiness it doesn't reflect what it is supposed to reflect. Paul George is happy to be with the Thunder but is far from sure it is the place he will settle.

Indianapolis has the Colts, so what does this say about the Thunder? Not zero, but also not nothing. Infinity perhaps?
Infinity of possibilities. Because we fail to understand them or refuse to. Isn't that great?

Porter would be good adition... we should offer GRIII+Leaf+1st pick for him, maybe Big Al with his salary... I dont think they would bring Bojan back... they dont need PG to... Wall and Satoransky are already there...

Turner can only be traded for other center... someone like Gobert, DAJ or Whiteside... we cant loose our rim protection...

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/249441/Teams-Preparing-To-Pursue-Trade-For-Kawhi-Leonard

What are we waiting for? I would give Turner+DC+GRIII+Leaf+1st pick...

Just imagine...

CoJo-Dipo-Kawhi-Young-Sabonis

We would need to sign one more defensive center like Dedmond, and one point gurad.... someone like Elfrid or Burke...

Vorda wrote:https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/249441/Teams-Preparing-To-Pursue-Trade-For-Kawhi-Leonard

What are we waiting for? I would give Turner+DC+GRIII+Leaf+1st pick...

Just imagine...

CoJo-Dipo-Kawhi-Young-Sabonis

We would need to sign one more defensive center like Dedmond, and one point gurad.... someone like Elfrid or Burke...

If Kawhi is iffy as a teammate in San Antonio what makes you think it would be different here? Way too much risk that a couple years we would have nothing to show for trading Turner (can’t imagine you get Leonard for anything less than Turner or Victor)

8305 wrote:

Vorda wrote:https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/249441/Teams-Preparing-To-Pursue-Trade-For-Kawhi-Leonard

What are we waiting for? I would give Turner+DC+GRIII+Leaf+1st pick...

Just imagine...

CoJo-Dipo-Kawhi-Young-Sabonis

We would need to sign one more defensive center like Dedmond, and one point gurad.... someone like Elfrid or Burke...

If Kawhi is iffy as a teammate in San Antonio what makes you think it would be different here? Way too much risk that a couple years we would have nothing to show for trading Turner (can’t imagine you get Leonard for anything less than Turner or Victor)

I would try with him... we need one more all star player... this team isn't enough good to be contender... we need more talent... Kawhi is one of the best plyer in league and if there is a chance to get him we should do it... everyone besides Dipo should be available for that trade...

Vorda wrote:Kawhi is one of the best plyer in league and if there is a chance to get him we should do it....

That's the problem...

There is 0 chance we can get him.