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He is one of the best shooting bigs I've seen. I'm thinking Nervous Pervis lol. I wanted a tough guy enforcer to put next to Sabonis, but Spellman is so talented I might not be able to pass him up. What are your guys thoughts on his athleticism and defense? I've seen him block shots and he definately plays nasty. I want a guy with fire, a little Lance in him. Bates-Diop has more talent, but his motivation bothers me. Want a guy who loves to play.

Dakich had Bates-Diop as the best player in the Big 10. I'm not sure where the motivation issue comes from. There is a difference between not being motivated and not showing emotion.

that said, Spellman showed a lot of potential. I'd be particularly interested if a trimmed down Spellman could guard 3's. I'm not sure I like him at 23 though over Bates-Diop, Huerter, Musa, DiVincenzo, Melton, Hutchinson, Okobo, Evans, and maybe even Brunson. Now if he were on the board at one of Philly's lower picks, I'd certainly be willing to buy one to draft him.

Divincenzo is my favorite, but I think he will be gone. Bates-Diop made an insane behind the head ally-oop against my Boilers, but he also disappears. His defense was Amazing though. He could be a Rodman like defender next to Sabonis.

Pacercoltboiler wrote:Divincenzo is my favorite

I like him too.

Pacercoltboiler wrote:Bates-Diop ... could be a Rodman like defender.

if he can defend both 3's and stretch 4's, he'd be a big help. as much as I like DiVincenzo, if B-D can be the stopper that Bogie, Sabonis, and Turner are not, he'd be hard to pass up. otoh, I'd be happy with DiVincenzo and hoping Vanderbilt fell to 50. we could also buy a higher 2nd round pick for a SF.

I like what Spellman showed in March Madness this year.

But that said, I have no interest in taking him outside of the second round. He's raw as HELL, seems to have some maturity/academic issues (from what I've heard), and taking him in the first just clogs up an already murky and crowded frontcourt. Leaf, Turner, Sabonis are guarantees and who knows what Thad will do. I just don't see the need there.

For that matter, I'd rather not draft a PF/C at all in the first round unless his last name is Bamba.

Jake0890 wrote:
For that matter, I'd rather not draft a PF/C at all in the first round unless his last name is Bamba.

I'm with ya. I know that Turner and Sabonis are guarantees at the 5 spot, and maybe at the 4 spot. I'd really prefer to get a 3 that can slide to the 4, like KBD, if we do anything at the 4. Ideally, I really want to hit the 1 or 3 spot in this draft.

Scoot McGroot wrote:

Jake0890 wrote:
For that matter, I'd rather not draft a PF/C at all in the first round unless his last name is Bamba.

I'm with ya. I know that Turner and Sabonis are guarantees at the 5 spot, and maybe at the 4 spot. I'd really prefer to get a 3 that can slide to the 4, like KBD, if we do anything at the 4. Ideally, I really want to hit the 1 or 3 spot in this draft.

Agreed.

We've got our future at C/PF/SG, we need to find the future at SF/PG.

Who is our future at PF? Leaf can score, but doesn't fit that great with Domas. Is their a PG in this draft you guys are excited about at our range. I think that is the area that needs the most work. Collison didn't bring much late. Brunson might not even be the fifth best player on his own team. Plus, his post up specialty might not translate too well. I can't really see a three and D player at our range to push Bogdonavich. I'm really curious about potential point guards.

Pacercoltboiler wrote:Who is our future at PF? Leaf can score, but doesn't fit that great with Domas.

that's a question to be determined. I say give Leaf a chance.

Pacercoltboiler wrote:Is their a PG in this draft you guys are excited about at our range.

Vic is a bit of a combo guard so I think there is some flexibility in who can pair with him. I hear good things about Melton and I think DiVincenzo fits too. there are others mentioned in the draft thread. let's not get too many threads going on the same subject.

Scoot McGroot wrote:

Jake0890 wrote:
For that matter, I'd rather not draft a PF/C at all in the first round unless his last name is Bamba.

I'm with ya. I know that Turner and Sabonis are guarantees at the 5 spot, and maybe at the 4 spot. I'd really prefer to get a 3 that can slide to the 4, like KBD, if we do anything at the 4. Ideally, I really want to hit the 1 or 3 spot in this draft.

I kinda agree with what you are saying, and yet disagree....a bit. OK, Turner, from all accounts is doing the off-season work we all hoped he would. Working on his strength (lifting) and agility (boxing). Domas was impressive in his first year with the team, and we all hope to see improvement from him as well.

Where I disagree is with the draft part of it all. If Thad leaves, who backs up Turner and Domas if they both start? Heck, even if he stays, are we going to depend on Booker as the second backup or do you have faith in Leaf making a huge leap and being able to give meaningful minutes? A lot of this is mute if Thad returns and Leaf makes a big jump, but I'm just not all that certain about both those things happening. Especially the part about Leaf being ready to contribute.

Tom White wrote:

Scoot McGroot wrote:

Jake0890 wrote:
For that matter, I'd rather not draft a PF/C at all in the first round unless his last name is Bamba.

I'm with ya. I know that Turner and Sabonis are guarantees at the 5 spot, and maybe at the 4 spot. I'd really prefer to get a 3 that can slide to the 4, like KBD, if we do anything at the 4. Ideally, I really want to hit the 1 or 3 spot in this draft.

I kinda agree with what you are saying, and yet disagree....a bit. OK, Turner, from all accounts is doing the off-season work we all hoped he would. Working on his strength (lifting) and agility (boxing). Domas was impressive in his first year with the team, and we all hope to see improvement from him as well.

Where I disagree is with the draft part of it all. If Thad leaves, who backs up Turner and Domas if they both start? Heck, even if he stays, are we going to depend on Booker as the second backup or do you have faith in Leaf making a huge leap and being able to give meaningful minutes? A lot of this is mute if Thad returns and Leaf makes a big jump, but I'm just not all that certain about both those things happening. Especially the part about Leaf being ready to contribute.

I didn’t say that Leaf was ready to contribute. Nor that Booker is staying. We were talking long term. My plan is not to draft anyone to be a long term answer as a backup. I’m looking for answers long term at he starting spots first.

As for who backs up Domas and Myles if Thad leaves? They’re not on the roster. Likely answered with small amounts of cap space or the MLE.

Scoot McGroot wrote:

Tom White wrote:

Scoot McGroot wrote:
I'm with ya. I know that Turner and Sabonis are guarantees at the 5 spot, and maybe at the 4 spot. I'd really prefer to get a 3 that can slide to the 4, like KBD, if we do anything at the 4. Ideally, I really want to hit the 1 or 3 spot in this draft.

I kinda agree with what you are saying, and yet disagree....a bit. OK, Turner, from all accounts is doing the off-season work we all hoped he would. Working on his strength (lifting) and agility (boxing). Domas was impressive in his first year with the team, and we all hope to see improvement from him as well.

Where I disagree is with the draft part of it all. If Thad leaves, who backs up Turner and Domas if they both start? Heck, even if he stays, are we going to depend on Booker as the second backup or do you have faith in Leaf making a huge leap and being able to give meaningful minutes? A lot of this is mute if Thad returns and Leaf makes a big jump, but I'm just not all that certain about both those things happening. Especially the part about Leaf being ready to contribute.

I didn’t say that Leaf was ready to contribute. Nor that Booker is staying. We were talking long term. My plan is not to draft anyone to be a long term answer as a backup. I’m looking for answers long term at he starting spots first.

As for who backs up Domas and Myles if Thad leaves? They’re not on the roster. Likely answered with small amounts of cap space or the MLE.

This is exactly my point of view.

Turner, Sabonis, and Leaf cannot all be part of the future whilst still drafting a PF/C in the first round with the intention of starting him down the road. The minutes aren't there, and for them to become available, one of those three must be moved. The remaining backup big positions should be taken care of by Thad opting in (should he choose to do so), Trevor Booker re-signing, or any other veteran big who's available for cheap on the market. When it comes to backup bigs, I think you can have your choice of the lot and it likely won't really impact your team greatly. The same can't be said for backup wings and point guards, imo.

I'm less concerned about Leaf's readiness than Ike' s if Al retires.

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I never really thought of a first round pick as stockpiling future backups. It makes sense though. The odds are not great for finding Tony Parkers. Is it easier to get backup bigs off the street? Keep drafting wing depth? If you don't expect to find starters, where are the starters going to come from?

I like Spellman but not much as I like DiVincenzo or Musa. But I guess, he's turning into a possible option as both DiVincenzo and Musa are climbing up the draft boards.

I think it will all depend on the Thad Young and Trevor Booker contract situations. If both Young and Booker aren't returning, we could use Spellman as an insurance pick. I personally think he will survive long in the league once he masters the pick and roll game, just like Wagner. Pick and roll guys with range will be a hot commodity for the foreseeable future.

Spellman in college was a lot like Draymond in college. Draymond had a very different body at the end of that draft summer. I'd like Spellman a lot more if he were working out with someone like Vic's guy.

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