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Post#1 » by granger05 » Fri Jul 27, 2018 5:22 pm

Every once in awhile I find a Pacers reference on other sites I visit and it seems like it's nice to share. Here's a thread for that sort of thing.

fivethirtyeight has an article on the NBA FA period and the Pacers got a mention.

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The Pacers were arguably the league’s biggest surprise last season, going from what many analysts figured would be a lottery team after the Paul George trade with Oklahoma City to one win away from knocking out LeBron and the Cavaliers in the first round. An enormous part of that, of course, was Victor Oladipo having a better statistical campaign than George en route to becoming an All-Star and winning the Most Improved Player award.

The other element flew under the radar but was just as integral: Indiana’s offense, gladly taking what the defense gave it, went against the grain and launched far more midrange jump shots than any other club, essentially making the Pacers the antithesis of the Rockets. With a group of decent jump-shooters, the strategy worked. But as a team that doesn’t shoot a ton of threes or get to the line much (Indiana had the NBA’s fifth-lowest 3-point attempt rate and the fifth-worst free-throw rate), the Pacers could have entered the 2018-19 season somewhat vulnerable to opponents who can score in bunches more quickly and efficiently.

But inking perpetual-motion sharpshooter Doug McDermott should make Indiana less predictable and more of a threat from outside. And Tyreke Evans — who has quietly shot nearly 39 percent from the arc over the past three years after shooting about 28 percent in his first six seasons — was a solid, under-the-radar pickup who should be a huge upgrade over Lance Stephenson.

Kyle O’Quinn, who came over for the room exception at one year and $4.5 million, will fit right in with the Pacers’ offensive philosophy; he hit better than 44 percent of his long 2s last season. He can get himself in trouble as a playmaker, but he’ll be a more-than-adequate backup to Myles Turner or Domantas Sabonis.

Almost no analyst will pick the Pacers to land a top-three seed in the East. But should the Celtics, Raptors or Sixers struggle out of the gate, it wouldn’t be that surprising if Indiana did just that. The Pacers finished just outside the top 10 last season in both offensive and defensive efficiency — a hint that they weren’t far from contention. If things break right for them this year, they could reach that level with their improved roster.


The article itself is very link-heavy so worth checking out if you want to get even more info.
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Post#2 » by Wizop » Fri Jul 27, 2018 8:02 pm

for those that don't recognize fivethirtyeight, it's a statistics site. I think he started in baseball but has made a bigger name for himself analyzing political polls. it's probably fair to call him a king of analytics.
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Post#3 » by granger05 » Tue Aug 28, 2018 5:39 pm

Pacers mentioned on 538 again. This time more as a footnote. This article was looking at the most mediocre teams in history. I didn't read through it all so I'm not sure about the methodology details other than they looked at win percentage, point differential and then points per game and shooting percentages compared to league average.

The Pacers' last Paul George season clocks in as the 2nd most mediocre NBA season of all time. That seems about right.That team went 42-40 and scored 18 total fewer points than their opponents on the season. We scored 105.1 ppg vs the league rate of 105.6, we shot about one less FT per game than average and out TS% was 55.8 vs the league average of 55.2.


NBA SQ. DIFF.
1 2016 Dallas Mavericks 0.42
2 2017 Indiana Pacers 0.69
3 1989 Boston Celtics 1.01
4 2007 New Jersey Nets 1.17
5 1998 Washington Wizards 1.23
6 2005 Cleveland Cavaliers 1.33
7 1997 Minnesota Timberwolves 1.38
8 2008 Washington Wizards 1.42
9 1982 Portland Trail Blazers 1.59
10 2018 Washington Wizards 1.64
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Post#4 » by granger05 » Tue Aug 28, 2018 5:43 pm

I checked that recent Mavs team. They also went 42-40, but they were outscored by 25 total points so we had an edge there. Their points per game were 102.3 vs the average of 102.7. Their TS% was 54.4 vs the average 54.1. They were 1.1 FTs per game below the average so I think that they were only more mediocre than us by virtue of how they chose to weight factors.
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Post#5 » by Wizop » Tue Aug 28, 2018 8:47 pm

perhaps I should have put the Instagram link here instead of the OT thread.
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Post#6 » by Wizop » Fri Sep 14, 2018 1:24 pm

Here is a Pritchard interview on The Athletic. It's a pay site, but I find it worthwhile for the Colts stuff alone and I'm looking forward to more Pacer stuff later.

https://theathletic.com/522637/2018/09/14/qa-with-pacers-president-kevin-pritchard-on-free-agency-seeking-continuity-and-maintaining-calm-waters/
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Post#7 » by Tom White » Fri Sep 14, 2018 5:20 pm

Wizop wrote:Here is a Pritchard interview on The Athletic. It's a pay site, but I find it worthwhile for the Colts stuff alone and I'm looking forward to more Pacer stuff later.

https://theathletic.com/522637/2018/09/14/qa-with-pacers-president-kevin-pritchard-on-free-agency-seeking-continuity-and-maintaining-calm-waters/


I have no problem with sites like this trying to make money, but I have to ask - Do they REALLY give any more information than can be found on local sports radio or even the Indy Star?

Edit: I do realize the star also charges. But in my opinion, if they were serious about it they would make it so a person couldn't get around their restrictions by simply clearing your browser cookies. It ain't difficult for them to fix that.

Anyway, it isn't like any of these spots are getting and forwarding "trade secrets", so where is the value? Serious question, not trying to be a jerk about it or anything.
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Post#8 » by Wizop » Fri Sep 14, 2018 5:59 pm

Tom White wrote:Anyway, it isn't like any of these spots are getting and forwarding "trade secrets", so where is the value? Serious question, not trying to be a jerk about it or anything.


value? maybe not but I like to read about our teams and at my age I've got plenty of time to do it. if you want to say that there isn't much Pacer information that you can't get here for free, I can't argue.

I've subscribed to the Star or the News for over 50 years. I subscribed when I hated its politics. but I don't like what its sports section is becoming in the Gannet age. No continuity of reporting. The keep swapping in guys from other cities who have no knowledge of our history. I still pay for a digital subscription though.

I think I subscribed to The Athletic largely to support Stephen Holder: the Colts reporter who went there from the Star. now he only has maybe 5 years in town and I don't know him personally as well as I know Bruno and Chap and PhilB but I follow him on Twitter and tend to see the world outside of sports the same way he does. he takes some flack on twitter for his non-sports posts, but to me he's just being a mensch.
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Post#9 » by Wizop » Fri Sep 14, 2018 9:55 pm

Mark Monteith now has a similar piece on pacers.com. suppose that does support the value doubt.
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Post#10 » by Scoot McGroot » Fri Sep 14, 2018 11:27 pm

Tom White wrote:
Wizop wrote:Here is a Pritchard interview on The Athletic. It's a pay site, but I find it worthwhile for the Colts stuff alone and I'm looking forward to more Pacer stuff later.

https://theathletic.com/522637/2018/09/14/qa-with-pacers-president-kevin-pritchard-on-free-agency-seeking-continuity-and-maintaining-calm-waters/


I have no problem with sites like this trying to make money, but I have to ask - Do they REALLY give any more information than can be found on local sports radio or even the Indy Star?

Edit: I do realize the star also charges. But in my opinion, if they were serious about it they would make it so a person couldn't get around their restrictions by simply clearing your browser cookies. It ain't difficult for them to fix that.

Anyway, it isn't like any of these spots are getting and forwarding "trade secrets", so where is the value? Serious question, not trying to be a jerk about it or anything.


When combined with the national stuff from guys like Ken Rosenthal, Dane Brugler, Jason Stark, etc, combined with all the local guys from around the country, it’s worth it. I’m an Orioles fan, so I’m getting my first solid updates on minor league development, and the sell off this year. There’s good Cincinnati stuff, too.

Based just on the Indiana stuff, it’s not worth it solely yet, since they just started it up, and they don’t yet have an IU, Butler, or Purdue person yet, either, and while I like Scott Agnes’s for the Pacers stuff, he’s more of a news guy from the PR department, whereas a Caitlin Cooper would be a great add for the on court stuff.
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Post#11 » by Wizop » Wed Sep 19, 2018 8:27 pm

Pacers had their golf outing so look for stories in the usual places.
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Post#12 » by boomershadow » Wed Sep 19, 2018 10:13 pm

I listened to Pritch talk with JMV on the way home from work today, but I think that the player in this link is him talking with Collison. Weird.

https://www.1070thefan.com/blogs/ride-jmv/pacers-gm-kevin-pritchard-open-honest-about-pacers-future
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Post#13 » by Tom White » Thu Sep 20, 2018 12:54 am

boomershadow wrote:I listened to Pritch talk with JMV on the way home from work today, but I think that the player in this link is him talking with Collison. Weird.

https://www.1070thefan.com/blogs/ride-jmv/pacers-gm-kevin-pritchard-open-honest-about-pacers-future


I listened to the Collison interview and two interviews with Pritchard (one by Grady & Big Joe, the other by JMV) and came away with a number of thoughts - away from the basketball aspect of it all.

These guys (the radio show hosts) do really good jobs. When they do these interviews, it isn't so much like a radio guy talking to a professional sports guy, It is more like a couple of friends sitting down over some beer for a chat. The comfort level is really noticable. Grady, Joe and JMV all do one thing very well (OK more than one thing, but let's keep it simple), they ask their question, then they get out of the way and let the guest go on a roll. This is especially good with a guy like Pritchard, because he really knows how to get on a roll.

Now, having said that, it does make their job easier when they are dealing with guests who are just good, friendly and entertaining people, and that comfort level does come from both sides. But, I just wanted to give kudos to the guys in the studio for the work they do. I think we are fortunate to have all of them, on both sides, around.
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Post#14 » by Wizop » Thu Sep 20, 2018 2:11 pm

I watched all of the videos on pacers.com, read the piece on The Athletic, and listened to the Pacer part of the RealGM over/under podcast. Pacer players see Victor as much improved. National guys are still thinking he will regress as in my opinion they are just thinking statistical regression to the mean without paying any attention to the stories about his summer program.

my question going into training camp is will a lineup of Vic, Tyreke, Doug, Myles, and Damos work and will it be a regular feature either late in the 1st and 3rd or early in the 2nd and 4th quarters. if it works, it could be the 2019 lineup.
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Post#15 » by Jake0890 » Thu Sep 20, 2018 7:51 pm

I am PUMPED to see Vic again. Everyone around him seems to be predicting another big jump.

The bigger question, of course, is Mr. Turner, but I have faith in the work he's been putting in this summer too.
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Post#16 » by Wizop » Thu Sep 20, 2018 8:34 pm

Jake0890 wrote:The bigger question, of course, is Mr. Turner, but I have faith in the work he's been putting in this summer too.


is there really a question about his ability or just a question of the fit with Damos? there are pictures of them having worked out together and both look to have the trim bodies that Vic had last year. I have every confidence that the two of them are doing everything they can to be on the floor at the same time. personally I think the key requirement is the kind of Vogel dedication to playing big that forces the opponent to deal with it.
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Post#17 » by Jake0890 » Fri Sep 21, 2018 3:58 am

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Jake0890 wrote:The bigger question, of course, is Mr. Turner, but I have faith in the work he's been putting in this summer too.


is there really a question about his ability or just a question of the fit with Damos? there are pictures of them having worked out together and both look to have the trim bodies that Vic had last year. I have every confidence that the two of them are doing everything they can to be on the floor at the same time. personally I think the key requirement is the kind of Vogel dedication to playing big that forces the opponent to deal with it.


i think there's absolutely a question of his ability. his physical tools are so far beyond his production on the court. that's not to say there can't be two questions surrounding Turner, of course. :D
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Post#18 » by Wizop » Fri Sep 21, 2018 12:20 pm

Jake0890 wrote:i think there's absolutely a question of his ability. his physical tools are so far beyond his production on the court. that's not to say there can't be two questions surrounding Turner, of course. :D


well Nate's push for more rebounding is certainly on point. otherwise, I think points per game isn't the sole measure of production. I think we could see more balanced scoring this year. I like the pieces we've added and minutes and points could be widely distributed.

there were a handful of big, physical centers who gave us trouble last year. but I suspect that may not be what's concerning you as production sounds like offense.

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Post#19 » by boomershadow » Sat Sep 22, 2018 1:50 pm

Jake0890 wrote:i think there's absolutely a question of his ability. his physical tools are so far beyond his production on the court. that's not to say there can't be two questions surrounding Turner, of course. :D


I honestly think a fair amount of the criticism Turner gets may be better served criticizing the game plan. Turner isn't some guard you give the ball to and just have him go make buckets out of nothing. At almost seven feet, he's not gonna break his defender down off the dribble. Even though his physical inside presence improved this year, he's been a primarily shooter more than anything else for most of his time in the league. And that means he needs somebody to get him the ball. From a pure points per game viewpoint, Oladipo's breakout this year without question limited him in that area. But I also think he needs guys to look to get him involved more often, and we definitely need a more nuanced offensive strategy than that high pick and roll with Oladipo that we ran again and again and again last year.

At least on the offensive end, that is. On defense, he definitely does need to become a better, more well-rounded defender and not just a shot blocker.

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