Vic's Knee

Wizop · Post #1 » by **Wizop** » Fri Nov 30, 2018 9:59 pm

basketballwacko2 · Post #2 » by **basketballwacko2** » Fri Nov 30, 2018 11:45 pm

Well so much for the season.

Post #3 » by **pacers33granger** » Sat Dec 1, 2018 12:29 am

Given the reports so far it doesn't seem serious, but I won't be shocked if there's some sort of procedure and he misses a good chunk of the season. Longterm health is the biggest goal here and we've already gotten a chance to give some expanded roles to guys with good returns (guys not named Evans at least).

Jermainevent · Post #4 » by **Jermainevent** » Sat Dec 1, 2018 12:43 am

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Wizop · Post #5 » by **Wizop** » Sat Dec 1, 2018 1:41 am

they are saying xray negative but 4 on 4 workout showed no improvement

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Post #6 » by **Jake0890** » Sat Dec 1, 2018 5:00 am

let's not Andrew Luck this one up and waste 2-3 years of our franchise player's career

Post #7 » by **boomershadow** » Sat Dec 1, 2018 10:36 am

Knees are super tricky things. The way Oladipo flies around out there and tosses himself around, I've been worried about something happening like this. Hopefully with some time and some work, the issue resolves itself. Luckily, the Pacers medical staff has always seemed to be top notch and we don't have to worry much about that part of the equation. (Unlike a team like the Pelicans who kept a doctor on staff who was fired from the Saints for multiple misdiagnoses, or the 76ers staff who have come under public scrutiny for their continual trouble keeping their players healthy).

Gotta keep the goal on being healthy for the playoffs.

8305 · Post #8 » by **8305** » Sat Dec 1, 2018 1:47 pm

A move that I think has to be considered with Vic out indefinitely is moving Domas into the starting lineup, trading him out with Myles Turner. Shaky starts have been the norm since Vic went down and that’s not surprising. Without Vic and with Domas coming off the bench we might have the worst certainly one the worst starting fives in the league. I see two guys playing like legitimate starters Turner (not every night) and Bogdonovich. Collison, Thad and Evans are not starting caliber players on even average NBA teams. Starting Domas at least upgrades us at one of the starting positions. There is a lot less margin for error without Vic. Spotting opponents 10 or more points out of the shoot regularly will lead to a lot of losses.

Wizop · Post #9 » by **Wizop** » Sat Dec 1, 2018 6:38 pm

8305 wrote:A move that I think has to be considered with Vic out indefinitely is moving Domas into the starting lineup, trading him out with Myles Turner.

I sit Evans. Turner has not been the problem. perhaps start Doug at 2.

Starting Damos for Thad could happen but not because Vic is out.

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winter_mute_13 · Post #10 » by **winter_mute_13** » Sat Dec 1, 2018 11:58 pm

I think Domas should start. He's not only playing well, he makes the players around him play better too. This is independent of Dipo's injury. I'd prefer it if Thad is the one who goes to the bench, but I can see the argument for Myles too.

I'd stick with Evans starting in Dipo's place though. I know he hasn't played well, but realistically he's the only guy who can credibly take Dipo's role in the offense. And you know, I think the Pacers need him. They need him to play like he did for Memphis last year in order to go further in the playoffs. Hopefully, like with McDermott, it will turn out that Tyreke just needed more time to adjust.

Wizop · Post #11 » by **Wizop** » Sun Dec 2, 2018 3:07 am

winter_mute_13 wrote:I'd stick with Evans starting in Dipo's place though. I know he hasn't played well, but realistically he's the only guy who can credibly take Dipo's role in the offense.

Doug has outplayed him. I'm okay not giving up on Evans yet, but patience is about gone. at some point hope must give way to reality.

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Samurai_Raps · Post #12 » by **Samurai_Raps** » Sat Dec 8, 2018 6:23 pm

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JermaineOYea · Post #13 » by **JermaineOYea** » Sat Dec 8, 2018 11:12 pm

Samurai_Raps wrote:

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All speculative so far.

Wizop · Post #14 » by **Wizop** » Sun Dec 9, 2018 3:16 am

two big standings game this week with Bucks and Sixers. hoe Vic can play a little against Washington to be ready for Bucks.

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Wizop · Post #15 » by **Wizop** » Tue Dec 11, 2018 9:41 pm

he practiced today and has been upgraded from out to questionable. when he does play, it'll be with a pitch count.

Major Cold · Post #16 » by **Major Cold** » Tue Dec 11, 2018 11:13 pm

We shall see. If the soreness returns don't be surprised if he has arthroscopic surgery.

Wizop · Post #17 » by **Wizop** » Wed Dec 12, 2018 1:14 am

Major Cold wrote:We shall see. If the soreness returns don't be surprised if he has arthroscopic surgery.

only if they lied about no structural damage. they are saying bruise which only makes sense if bone bruise.

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Topofthekey · Post #18 » by **Topofthekey** » Wed Dec 12, 2018 2:26 am

I'd rather not see Vic rushed back, he should only come back if certified 110% by medical professionals

I'm even OK with shutting him down the rest of the season if need be

I'd like to reiterate what I said about this group of Pacers last season: last season, and to an extent this season is merely the "gearing up" phase, to lay the foundation for a run the next 3 or 4 seasons; a healthy Vic in his prime will be integral to that, and the focus these two seasons should be to build towards fielding the best team we can during that time; it is why I have been in favour of things like giving the younger players more playing time to see who sticks, experimenting with different starting lineups (even some which seem counter intuitional) to see what works best, combing the FA market for players who are in their primes the next 3 or 4 seasons, etc, even if it means sacrificing some W's in the short term

Keep our eye on the bigger picture, which is to build a competitive team around Vic during his prime; let's not be shortsighted about winning a few extra games this season

I am even prepared to see the Pacers go in as the 7th or 8th seed or even miss the playoffs altogether this season without Vic, rather than rush him back

Post #19 » by **Jake0890** » Wed Dec 12, 2018 3:16 am

sounds like Vic is beginning to work his way back. Nate says even when he returns to game action, he'll be on a minutes restriction.

i'm all for playing it safe. We're 4th in the east without our best player and as I alluded to above, any reaggravation of this injury could go down a la Andrew Luck and it would kill me to see that again.

Major Cold · Post #20 » by **Major Cold** » Wed Dec 12, 2018 3:43 pm

Wizop wrote:
Major Cold wrote:We shall see. If the soreness returns don't be surprised if he has arthroscopic surgery.
only if they lied about no structural damage. they are saying bruise which only makes sense if bone bruise.

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"they" is who exactly? Media with a source?

Because the knee soreness from last year and his time spent in OKC may suggest possible cartilage damage? When I think of structural damage I think of ligaments. Also, I have heard people be speculative about his patella tendon being bruised. Which is more than just an ouchy that needs a couple months off. It is persistent. And it is caused by overuse (see Vic's workout regime). If it is that there are injections they can do.

So to say that once he is back it will be the end of it is preposterous. If that was the case then why does he have soreness if he rested last year? And if it is because he aggravated it with overworking, what underlying STRUCTURAL issue is there that leads him to have frequent knee soreness at his age?

With the knee and frequent soreness, it isn't always cut and dry with rest. If rehab and rest don't work then PRP injections and arthroscopic surgery has happened. After swelling goes down MRIs can pick up additional red flags.