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Traded to Miami for 3 second round picks. Miami selects Kezie Okpala.

haha

Too bad, i actually liked Okpala and was one player i've watched this past season on occasion hoping he'd be a Pacers draft pick. At the time i figured he would be a first rounder. Oh well.

Scoot McGroot wrote:Traded to Miami for 3 second round picks. Miami selects Kezie Okpala.

Well, OK. Not sure I understand the entire reasoning, but who knows what those might become.

Tom White wrote:

Scoot McGroot wrote:Traded to Miami for 3 second round picks. Miami selects Kezie Okpala.

Well, OK. Not sure I understand the entire reasoning, but who knows what those might become.

Keeping roster spots clear? We already have 10 roster spots locked in for next year counting Goga. Say Bojan is 11. Maybe Thad is 12, but we're still looking at our cap space, and if we split it on 2 guys? That's 12 and 13. Then, the room exception is 14. Either another street free agent or 50, or someone else makes 15. Run out of spots quick.

My first thought is that whoever we targeted is off the board, so the Pacers opted for future assets instead.

Rather disappointing because I'm not a fan of the Warren trade, and was hoping this pick would rescue it.

3 is better than 1 but given the Pacers second round draft record, it's still a very long shot to get real value with those picks.

We'll have to wait and see.

Pacersike wrote:3 is better than 1 but given the Pacers second round draft record, it's still a very long shot to get real value with those picks.

We'll have to wait and see.

We've generally done in the top half of the league in terms of getting anything out of the 2nd round. The hit rate is insanely low. To make a roster is a hit. To develop a rotation player is a bigger hit. To get a starter is a massive hit. Lance alone turns us into one of the better hit rates in the league.

Pacersike wrote:3 is better than 1 but given the Pacers second round draft record, it's still a very long shot to get real value with those picks.

We'll have to wait and see.

Hitting in the 2nd round is like me going to the Victoria Secret Fashion show and scoring. Not great odds. But the more times you can go.... the better of your odds of scoring.

Scoot McGroot wrote:

Pacersike wrote:3 is better than 1 but given the Pacers second round draft record, it's still a very long shot to get real value with those picks.

We'll have to wait and see.

We've generally done in the top half of the league in terms of getting anything out of the 2nd round. The hit rate is insanely low. To make a roster is a hit. To develop a rotation player is a bigger hit. To get a starter is a massive hit. Lance alone turns us into one of the better hit rates in the league.

Don't forget Antonio Davis.

Scoot McGroot wrote:

Pacersike wrote:3 is better than 1 but given the Pacers second round draft record, it's still a very long shot to get real value with those picks.

We'll have to wait and see.

We've generally done in the top half of the league in terms of getting anything out of the 2nd round. The hit rate is insanely low. To make a roster is a hit. To develop a rotation player is a bigger hit. To get a starter is a massive hit. Lance alone turns us into one of the better hit rates in the league.

Contending teams often find the diamonds late, Siakam, Draymond, Ginobili, Brogdon to name some.

1 year of Lance doesn't qualify for me. We want to be one of the best teams don't we, middle of pack of teams just ain't enough if you are a weak FA destination.

At least we are excellent when drafting 10-19. Probably one of the best at it. So I don't hate our drafting personnel. I consider our second round draft record as too weak since Davis and our first round as one of the best considering where we usually draft.

Pacersike wrote:

Scoot McGroot wrote:

Pacersike wrote:3 is better than 1 but given the Pacers second round draft record, it's still a very long shot to get real value with those picks.

We'll have to wait and see.

We've generally done in the top half of the league in terms of getting anything out of the 2nd round. The hit rate is insanely low. To make a roster is a hit. To develop a rotation player is a bigger hit. To get a starter is a massive hit. Lance alone turns us into one of the better hit rates in the league.

Contending teams often find the diamonds late, Siakam, Draymond, Ginobili, Brogdon to name some.

1 year of Lance doesn't qualify for me. We want to be one of the best teams don't we, middle of pack of teams just ain't enough if you are a weak FA destination.

At least we are excellent when drafting 10-19. Probably one of the best at it. So I don't hate our drafting personnel. I consider our second round draft record as too weak since Davis and our first round as one of the best considering where we usually draft.

Siakam was a 1st rounder hoss. And then you picked probably the 3 best 2nd rounders drafted in recent memory. Can’t make that the expectation. That’s far and away the exception.

Interested on the details. Miami don't have 2nds in 2020, 2021, 2023 and 2024. They do have 2022 though; could be the super draft so that might be a good pick.

Pacers_Freak wrote:Siakam was a 1st rounder hoss. And then you picked probably the 3 best 2nd rounders drafted in recent memory. Can’t make that the expectation. That’s far and away the exception.

Do you feel like comparing Pacers draft record late first round with other teams? I say between 10 and 19: excellent.
After 19 and before 10, poor and not only because we don't often draft there.

If Aaron turns into a very good player, we will have one, drafted quite late. As Siakam and others.
I don't feel like looking up others, but I remember these, because they are probably the best ya. There should be others as well, not as good, but still good players. Lance had 1 hot season and ruined chemistry after that, if I have to lower my expectations that low, I would have to keep telling myself that I'm not smart enough to be able to find diamonds. I can't do that.

On a contending level, 1 year of Lance isn't what I aim for, if I was scouting players for the second round or late first round. I would want to do better. Like our first rounders in the 10s.

Drafting overall, I do like what we do, because first rounders are more talented in general. Drafting late is just a weak spot of us and it can and should be improved. We want to win everything, don't we?

Pacersike wrote:

Pacers_Freak wrote:Siakam was a 1st rounder hoss. And then you picked probably the 3 best 2nd rounders drafted in recent memory. Can’t make that the expectation. That’s far and away the exception.

Do you feel like comparing Pacers draft record late first round with other teams? I say between 10 and 19: excellent.
After 19 and before 10, poor and not only because we don't often draft there.

If Aaron turns into a very good player, we will have one, drafted quite late. As Siakam and others.
I don't feel like looking up others, but I remember these, because they are probably the best ya. There should be others as well, not as good, but still good players. Lance had 1 hot season and ruined chemistry after that, if I have to lower my expectations that low, I would have to keep telling myself that I'm not smart enough to be able to find diamonds. I can't do that.

On a contending level, 1 year of Lance isn't what I aim for, if I was scouting players for the second round or late first round. I would want to do better. Like our first rounders in the 10s.

Drafting overall, I do like what we do, because first rounders are more talented in general. Drafting late is just a weak spot of us and it can and should be improved. We want to win everything, don't we?

Drafting late is a weak spot for everyone because it’s hard. The earlier you draft the easier it is. You have a pick of more players. Don’t know how else to explain it... but it’s pretty obvious.

Trading 1 2nd round pick for 3 second round picks is a good deal. As someone said earlier, the more chances you get of scoring a hit, the better. That said, KZ Okpala definitely seems to me like a player who could be a hit. A player that could play a role in this team. So, I do hope that the picks that we're going to get are going to land us a hit or they're going to help facilitate a good trade.

I'm not super happy about the trade since I liked Okpala but it's just hard to be mad at getting three 2nds for the price of one. That's just sound asset management that gives us a good deal of flexibility to make moves.

winter_mute_13 wrote:My first thought is that whoever we targeted is off the board, so the Pacers opted for future assets instead.

Rather disappointing because I'm not a fan of the Warren trade, and was hoping this pick would rescue it.

Pretty much how I feel and think Kevin Porter Jr. was the target but Cleveland laid out a ton to nab him at 30. It is nice to have some future assets, albeit small, in the chamber as Bird liked to trade them away.

Also for those disappointed, remember when we were the ones trading 3 2nds for James White only to have him not make the roster? Fun times.

pacers33granger wrote:Also for those disappointed, remember when we were the ones trading 3 2nds for James White only to have him not make the roster? Fun times.

Only issue I have is that I liked Okpala and that I believe that he could earn PT and help our wing depth. Otherwise, it's a solid trade value-wise.

winter_mute_13 wrote:My first thought is that whoever we targeted is off the board, so the Pacers opted for future assets instead.

Rather disappointing because I'm not a fan of the Warren trade, and was hoping this pick would rescue it.

I get the feeling we weren't interested in this draft at all. The rumblings of a #4 trade might suggest there was a top 10 guy who we coveted. Even Goga seems more of an upside pick than a plug and play. I'm happy to pick up futures here, especially if nothing moves the needle for the front office.

I feel like 2nd rounders are just crapshoot picks anyway. The 32nd pick is almost a 1st rounder though... You know the future ones you get definitely won't be as high. I am amused though that these look like they can't convey till 2026. Will we have the furthest in the future draft asset after this? My quick search of the owed picks page indicates that we will. I don't expect much out of 2nd rounders but they can help grease the skids in other deals so better to have them coming vs owing them.