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Game 3: Indiana Pacers (0-2) @ Detroit Pistons (1-2) - 7:00 PM ET

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Game 3: Indiana Pacers (0-2) @ Detroit Pistons (1-2) - 7:00 PM ET 

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Re: Game 3: Indiana Pacers (0-2) @ Detroit Pistons (1-2) - 7:00 PM ET 

Post#2 » by boomershadow » Mon Oct 28, 2019 11:37 pm

Yup.
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Re: Game 3: Indiana Pacers (0-2) @ Detroit Pistons (1-2) - 7:00 PM ET 

Post#3 » by Jake0890 » Tue Oct 29, 2019 12:10 am

sheesh, if we lose to these guys 2 times in the first 3 games...
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Re: Game 3: Indiana Pacers (0-2) @ Detroit Pistons (1-2) - 7:00 PM ET 

Post#4 » by Moooose » Tue Oct 29, 2019 12:55 am

It's been a bad game so far, with one quarter to go.

Usual issues:

1) Interior defense sucks as well as interior offense. I am disappointed with Myles on both sides of the floor.
2) No real go-to-guy on offense aside from Domas. Brogdon's production went up as he assumes a big role in offense.
3) Not sure why TJ Leaf is in the game wherein we need more of a physical presence to augment Myles's softness (Hint: Goga); Christian Wood is bodying TJ up and TJ is really playing like a Leaf.
4) Aaron Holiday deserves a shot in the rotation in moments like these, IMO.
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Re: Game 3: Indiana Pacers (0-2) @ Detroit Pistons (1-2) - 7:00 PM ET 

Post#5 » by Moooose » Tue Oct 29, 2019 1:30 am

Teams are going to exploit that Myles - Domas conondrum on both ends of the floor unless we do something about it. In 3 games, it appears as though if anybody wants to win, let's take the ball inside. Myles would not contest it anyway and Domas is physically limited. Imagine us going up against the elite - Giannis, Embiid, KAT. I think even Bam Adebayo can outwork our bigs.

This is frustrating. I am not in anyway against Nate, but he should look at his options and try not being too conservative. In these 3 games, something is definitely wrong with the rotation.
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Re: Game 3: Indiana Pacers (0-2) @ Detroit Pistons (1-2) - 7:00 PM ET 

Post#6 » by Wizop » Tue Oct 29, 2019 1:55 am

Not impressed with Warren's shot fundamentals. Not square.

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Re: Game 3: Indiana Pacers (0-2) @ Detroit Pistons (1-2) - 7:00 PM ET 

Post#7 » by Darknemo2000 » Tue Oct 29, 2019 3:58 am

Moooose wrote:Teams are going to exploit that Myles - Domas conondrum on both ends of the floor unless we do something about it. In 3 games, it appears as though if anybody wants to win, let's take the ball inside. Myles would not contest it anyway and Domas is physically limited. Imagine us going up against the elite - Giannis, Embiid, KAT. I think even Bam Adebayo can outwork our bigs.

This is frustrating. I am not in anyway against Nate, but he should look at his options and try not being too conservative. In these 3 games, something is definitely wrong with the rotation.


Sabonis is usually +/- positive and Turner is negative though both play similar big amount of minutes. So when they play together its not THAT massive issue over which Pacers lose a lot of points. Problem is when they play separate and in particular Turner.

Still number one issue seems to be bad bench production.
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Re: Game 3: Indiana Pacers (0-2) @ Detroit Pistons (1-2) - 7:00 PM ET 

Post#8 » by Moooose » Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:37 am

Darknemo2000 wrote:
Moooose wrote:Teams are going to exploit that Myles - Domas conondrum on both ends of the floor unless we do something about it. In 3 games, it appears as though if anybody wants to win, let's take the ball inside. Myles would not contest it anyway and Domas is physically limited. Imagine us going up against the elite - Giannis, Embiid, KAT. I think even Bam Adebayo can outwork our bigs.

This is frustrating. I am not in anyway against Nate, but he should look at his options and try not being too conservative. In these 3 games, something is definitely wrong with the rotation.


Sabonis is usually +/- positive and Turner is negative though both play similar big amount of minutes. So when they play together its not THAT massive issue over which Pacers lose a lot of points. Problem is when they play separate and in particular Turner.

Still number one issue seems to be bad bench production.


There are bigger issues other than scoring. And it is no problem If Domas scores a ton over Myles. The Pacers need Myles to do the other things that Domas can't. And they are usually on the defensive side. It is the overall fit and how they play the PF and C spots that is not working.

For the past seasons, the Pacers have had success not playing the two together, for the above reasons. It goes beyond the stat lines.

I kind of agree on the bench production but it is fixable. The issue up front is what will keep this team from winning.
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Re: Game 3: Indiana Pacers (0-2) @ Detroit Pistons (1-2) - 7:00 PM ET 

Post#9 » by boomershadow » Tue Oct 29, 2019 7:04 am

Not gonna win many games where you score 94 points, regardless if you play good D or bad.
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Post#10 » by Pacersike » Tue Oct 29, 2019 7:24 am

This loss was acceptable. Good effort.

The coaching staff has to do a better job though, need more threes to go down and less trees to safe the world.

Also, Cavs and Pistons have won 3 games combined. 3 wins against the Pacers, 4 losses against other teams.

It doesn't mean much, but it means something. I just don't see a good enough breakdown the defense type of player on our team after Vic. Aaron might have the highest potential in that department. Let us hope he keeps improving his game.
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Re: Game 3: Indiana Pacers (0-2) @ Detroit Pistons (1-2) - 7:00 PM ET 

Post#11 » by boomershadow » Tue Oct 29, 2019 11:19 am

I might put "Fire Nate" in my sig that way I dont have to keep repeating it every post.
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Re: Game 3: Indiana Pacers (0-2) @ Detroit Pistons (1-2) - 7:00 PM ET 

Post#12 » by Moooose » Tue Oct 29, 2019 12:22 pm

boomershadow wrote:Not gonna win many games where you score 94 points, regardless if you play good D or bad.
True. But the Pacers could've scored more in all of those 3 games. The rotation is off on both sides. Brogdon scoring this much isn't intentional, and I don't think Nate is running plays for him. Oftentimes, he is at the dead end of possessions and needed to shoot the ball.

I am not sure who else saw the entire game. It needs no expert to pinpoint the problems.



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Re: Game 3: Indiana Pacers (0-2) @ Detroit Pistons (1-2) - 7:00 PM ET 

Post#13 » by DoubleEagle4 » Tue Oct 29, 2019 12:47 pm

Honestly, the Pacers played a lot better. 11 steals, 8 turnovers, 23 points off turnovers, 16 fast break points.. they are going to win a lot of games playing like that. It came down to the fact that they just aren't able to put the ball in the basket at critical times. How many times did they get the game to 1 or 2 possessions then throw up a couple of horrible shots early in the shot clock? I think in those moments they really miss having someone like Vic on the floor.

I was really impressed with how Sumner set the defensive tone early. He was on the floor going after the ball on the very first possession. Need more of that!

Detroit shot well from 3 once again. And honestly, a lot of them were tough shots. The 3 that Luke Kennard hit late really hurt... that ball goes in maybe 1 out of 10 times at most.

TJ Warren seems like a loose cannon. Yes, he can score in bunches.. but that 3 he tried to throw up with 7 seconds left really blew my mind. I understand he didn't have a good look at the clock from his angle, but he literally panicked. If he thought it was that close and he didn't have a chance, he should have called timeout.

Either way, I think this was a step in the right direction. It's going to be hard to get a win at Brooklyn Wednesday. but the next 6 games are about as easy as it gets..
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Re: Game 3: Indiana Pacers (0-2) @ Detroit Pistons (1-2) - 7:00 PM ET 

Post#14 » by Pacers_Freak » Tue Oct 29, 2019 12:55 pm

boomershadow wrote:I might put "Fire Nate" in my sig that way I dont have to keep repeating it every post.


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Re: Game 3: Indiana Pacers (0-2) @ Detroit Pistons (1-2) - 7:00 PM ET 

Post#15 » by Wizop » Tue Oct 29, 2019 1:05 pm

Warren is lost.
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Re: Game 3: Indiana Pacers (0-2) @ Detroit Pistons (1-2) - 7:00 PM ET 

Post#16 » by pacers33granger » Tue Oct 29, 2019 1:16 pm

Warren needs a lot of work and I'm not sure the bball IQ is there.
Myles seems to be overthinking things. Hopefully once he gets more comfortable playing with Domas that changes.
Our bench is and will be bad until someone steps up.

Thank god that pick to Milwaukee is lotto protected (but god help us if we do end up in the lotto and draft Lamelo).
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Re: Game 3: Indiana Pacers (0-2) @ Detroit Pistons (1-2) - 7:00 PM ET 

Post#17 » by 8305 » Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:13 pm

Nothing wrong with this team Victor Oladipo won't fix. I haven't seen anything to make me think he and Brogdan shouldn't be an excellent pairing. Didn't see the Cleveland game but I also think Myles and Domas look ok together. Sumner is the 4th best player on the team now, 5th best when Victor comes back.

Right now its hard to argue the notion that Warren and Lamb were the prototypical scorers on bad teams.

Beyond the Sumner flyer is there any evidence of Pritchard being able to draft?
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Re: Game 3: Indiana Pacers (0-2) @ Detroit Pistons (1-2) - 7:00 PM ET 

Post#18 » by pacers33granger » Tue Oct 29, 2019 4:24 pm

8305 wrote: Didn't see the Cleveland game but I also think Myles and Domas look ok together.


Yeah they look ok, but it's going to take some tinkering and work to get it right.

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Right now its hard to argue the notion that Warren and Lamb were the prototypical scorers on bad teams.


Agreed, though Lamb was only 1 game and got injured early on. Still early for both, but the return on TJ is not great so far.

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Beyond the Sumner flyer is there any evidence of Pritchard being able to draft?


Honestly, not really. Looking at his entire record dating back to Portland I'd have just Mcroberts (37), Dante Cunningham (33), and Patty Mills (55) as good picks with all of his firsts not looking great. Can't fault him for Oden and every other first he's had is outside of the lotto except Bayless but still.

Really lots of his picks look like the "we cannot believe this guy fell to us" pick, which makes you wonder if enough scouting was done to determine why these guys may have fallen.
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Re: Game 3: Indiana Pacers (0-2) @ Detroit Pistons (1-2) - 7:00 PM ET 

Post#19 » by Vorda » Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:02 pm

Meanwhile in Utah... Bojan 29 pts... great job Kevin
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Re: Game 3: Indiana Pacers (0-2) @ Detroit Pistons (1-2) - 7:00 PM ET 

Post#20 » by pacers33granger » Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:06 pm

Vorda wrote:Meanwhile in Utah... Bojan 29 pts... great job Kevin


Tbf I'm not sure many of us would have been comfortable giving him the 4th year Utah did.

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