Re: TJ Warren
Posted: Thu Nov 28, 2019 1:41 pm
At the Jazz game I started wondering why he had zero rebounds. The guards including Lamb had boards. He had zero. Is that scheme or a problem?
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nzahir wrote:As an outsider here, would you guys even consider a trade for Warren or likely not?
What do you guys want/who?
Scoot McGroot wrote:nzahir wrote:As an outsider here, would you guys even consider a trade for Warren or likely not?
What do you guys want/who?
I don’t necessarily see the possibility. Pritchard went all in on Warren when he was proposed to Indy , even at the cost of Bojan. The great play of Justin Holiday and need to get him on the court is really the only thing that even makes a trade possible. Ultimately, I doubt that management is looking to move him.
If Warren were moved, it’d likely have to be for a more pure guy at the 4 that can defend the big wings/mobile 4’s like the Giannis’ of the league, but still be a younger guy with shot range. Even then, it’s just not likely.
8305 wrote:Scoot McGroot wrote:nzahir wrote:As an outsider here, would you guys even consider a trade for Warren or likely not?
What do you guys want/who?
I don’t necessarily see the possibility. Pritchard went all in on Warren when he was proposed to Indy , even at the cost of Bojan. The great play of Justin Holiday and need to get him on the court is really the only thing that even makes a trade possible. Ultimately, I doubt that management is looking to move him.
If Warren were moved, it’d likely have to be for a more pure guy at the 4 that can defend the big wings/mobile 4’s like the Giannis’ of the league, but still be a younger guy with shot range. Even then, it’s just not likely.
The more we see he appears to be an above average small forward. Looks like he is a better than advertised athlete who is a willing and effective defender. All that and he is under contract for another two years at a very reasonable cost of 11 mil/year. I think it would take a pretty extraordinary offer to get him away from Pacers.
Scoot McGroot wrote:8305 wrote:Scoot McGroot wrote:
I don’t necessarily see the possibility. Pritchard went all in on Warren when he was proposed to Indy , even at the cost of Bojan. The great play of Justin Holiday and need to get him on the court is really the only thing that even makes a trade possible. Ultimately, I doubt that management is looking to move him.
If Warren were moved, it’d likely have to be for a more pure guy at the 4 that can defend the big wings/mobile 4’s like the Giannis’ of the league, but still be a younger guy with shot range. Even then, it’s just not likely.
The more we see he appears to be an above average small forward. Looks like he is a better than advertised athlete who is a willing and effective defender. All that and he is under contract for another two years at a very reasonable cost of 11 mil/year. I think it would take a pretty extraordinary offer to get him away from Pacers.
He’s, at times, been effective defensively, but more often than not he’s just been merely “not bad”. And that’s ok. He’s been willing as the season has gone on. He’s not a natural or smart defender, but he’s putting in some effort. I’ll give him that. It’s his ability to just score from the mid range that makes him effective. His 3 isn’t there, except from the corner, but he’s effective enough. He’s worth his contract for us, for sure. He’s worth keeping unless an offer just presents itself. I think the only thing that makes him even a consideration to move is just how wonderful Lamb, Justin Holiday, Doug, and evening Jakarr have been this year.
nzahir wrote:Scoot McGroot wrote:8305 wrote:
The more we see he appears to be an above average small forward. Looks like he is a better than advertised athlete who is a willing and effective defender. All that and he is under contract for another two years at a very reasonable cost of 11 mil/year. I think it would take a pretty extraordinary offer to get him away from Pacers.
He’s, at times, been effective defensively, but more often than not he’s just been merely “not bad”. And that’s ok. He’s been willing as the season has gone on. He’s not a natural or smart defender, but he’s putting in some effort. I’ll give him that. It’s his ability to just score from the mid range that makes him effective. His 3 isn’t there, except from the corner, but he’s effective enough. He’s worth his contract for us, for sure. He’s worth keeping unless an offer just presents itself. I think the only thing that makes him even a consideration to move is just how wonderful Lamb, Justin Holiday, Doug, and evening Jakarr have been this year.
Who/what do you guys need to be a legit contender in the east and try to make a finals push?
nzahir wrote:Scoot McGroot wrote:8305 wrote:
The more we see he appears to be an above average small forward. Looks like he is a better than advertised athlete who is a willing and effective defender. All that and he is under contract for another two years at a very reasonable cost of 11 mil/year. I think it would take a pretty extraordinary offer to get him away from Pacers.
He’s, at times, been effective defensively, but more often than not he’s just been merely “not bad”. And that’s ok. He’s been willing as the season has gone on. He’s not a natural or smart defender, but he’s putting in some effort. I’ll give him that. It’s his ability to just score from the mid range that makes him effective. His 3 isn’t there, except from the corner, but he’s effective enough. He’s worth his contract for us, for sure. He’s worth keeping unless an offer just presents itself. I think the only thing that makes him even a consideration to move is just how wonderful Lamb, Justin Holiday, Doug, and evening Jakarr have been this year.
Who/what do you guys need to be a legit contender in the east and try to make a finals push?
nzahir wrote:Scoot McGroot wrote:8305 wrote:
The more we see he appears to be an above average small forward. Looks like he is a better than advertised athlete who is a willing and effective defender. All that and he is under contract for another two years at a very reasonable cost of 11 mil/year. I think it would take a pretty extraordinary offer to get him away from Pacers.
He’s, at times, been effective defensively, but more often than not he’s just been merely “not bad”. And that’s ok. He’s been willing as the season has gone on. He’s not a natural or smart defender, but he’s putting in some effort. I’ll give him that. It’s his ability to just score from the mid range that makes him effective. His 3 isn’t there, except from the corner, but he’s effective enough. He’s worth his contract for us, for sure. He’s worth keeping unless an offer just presents itself. I think the only thing that makes him even a consideration to move is just how wonderful Lamb, Justin Holiday, Doug, and evening Jakarr have been this year.
Who/what do you guys need to be a legit contender in the east and try to make a finals push?
Topofthekey wrote:nzahir wrote:Scoot McGroot wrote:
He’s, at times, been effective defensively, but more often than not he’s just been merely “not bad”. And that’s ok. He’s been willing as the season has gone on. He’s not a natural or smart defender, but he’s putting in some effort. I’ll give him that. It’s his ability to just score from the mid range that makes him effective. His 3 isn’t there, except from the corner, but he’s effective enough. He’s worth his contract for us, for sure. He’s worth keeping unless an offer just presents itself. I think the only thing that makes him even a consideration to move is just how wonderful Lamb, Justin Holiday, Doug, and evening Jakarr have been this year.
Who/what do you guys need to be a legit contender in the east and try to make a finals push?
Like what the other posters said, some kind of tweener 3/4
I'll also add that the Pacers could use a good consolidation trade, either a 2 for 1 or 3 for 2 kind
As it stands, once Oladipo is back, the Pacers have 11 players who all deserve to be in the rotation: Turner, Sabonis, Warren, Oladipo, Brogdon, McConnell, Lamb, Holiday, Holiday, McDermott, Bitadze
And that's not counting Jakal Sampson, TJ Leaf, and Edmond Sumner, who all deserve a shot at cracking the rotation - heck even Mitrou-Long performed well in his short stint being called up and deserves a look
nzahir wrote:Would you guys have any interest in Kuzma?
I wonder if you guys should make a move for Griffin or LA to replace Myles as well.
Wizop wrote:nzahir wrote:Would you guys have any interest in Kuzma?
I wonder if you guys should make a move for Griffin or LA to replace Myles as well.
I don't think we're moving Myles period although LA would be an amazing short term help.
I do have some mild Kuzma interest but not at the cost of anyone currently getting regular minutes. If you want Sampson or Alize who have shorter contracts than Kuzma, I'd listen.
1st went to Milwaukee in Brogdon deal.nzahir wrote:Wizop wrote:nzahir wrote:Would you guys have any interest in Kuzma?
I wonder if you guys should make a move for Griffin or LA to replace Myles as well.
I don't think we're moving Myles period although LA would be an amazing short term help.
I do have some mild Kuzma interest but not at the cost of anyone currently getting regular minutes. If you want Sampson or Alize who have shorter contracts than Kuzma, I'd listen.
Interest in moving your 1st, future 2nd and Sampson?
Wizop wrote:1st went to Milwaukee in Brogdon deal.nzahir wrote:Wizop wrote:
I don't think we're moving Myles period although LA would be an amazing short term help.
I do have some mild Kuzma interest but not at the cost of anyone currently getting regular minutes. If you want Sampson or Alize who have shorter contracts than Kuzma, I'd listen.
Interest in moving your 1st, future 2nd and Sampson?
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nzahir wrote:Wizop wrote:1st went to Milwaukee in Brogdon deal.nzahir wrote:Interest in moving your 1st, future 2nd and Sampson?
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Slipped my mind, a future top 12 protected first? Or not enough interest
nzahir wrote:Scoot McGroot wrote:8305 wrote:
The more we see he appears to be an above average small forward. Looks like he is a better than advertised athlete who is a willing and effective defender. All that and he is under contract for another two years at a very reasonable cost of 11 mil/year. I think it would take a pretty extraordinary offer to get him away from Pacers.
He’s, at times, been effective defensively, but more often than not he’s just been merely “not bad”. And that’s ok. He’s been willing as the season has gone on. He’s not a natural or smart defender, but he’s putting in some effort. I’ll give him that. It’s his ability to just score from the mid range that makes him effective. His 3 isn’t there, except from the corner, but he’s effective enough. He’s worth his contract for us, for sure. He’s worth keeping unless an offer just presents itself. I think the only thing that makes him even a consideration to move is just how wonderful Lamb, Justin Holiday, Doug, and evening Jakarr have been this year.
Who/what do you guys need to be a legit contender in the east and try to make a finals push?
Wizop wrote:Warren has been a great acquisition but I really like Lamb and Brogdon is better still. And JHoliday and TJM fit. Even if Vic starts on a pitch count, there is going to be real competition for minutes.
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Wizop wrote:Warren has been a great acquisition but I really like Lamb and Brogdon is better still. And JHoliday and TJM fit. Even if Vic starts on a pitch count, there is going to be real competition for minutes.
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Scoot McGroot wrote:Agreed. I might be the “harshest” on Warren around here (though I think I’m just being realistic), he has been better than I expected and has been an overall positive.