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Paul George: "I'm not the one to boo."

Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2019 3:16 pm
by boomershadow
George scored 36 points and nine rebounds to lead the LA Clippers to a 110-99 win over the Pacers, but he wasn't done responding to the home crowd that got on him so much that at one point he put his finger over his mouth to silence the fans.
"I'm not surprised," George said of being booed despite it being his third time back in Indianapolis. "That's Indiana for you. It's a Hoosier thing."
George then cryptically said that one day he will tell his side of the story that led to his trade request from the Pacers in 2017.
"You know, someday I'll do a tell-all and tell the leading events of how I left Indiana," George said. "And I promise you, I'm not the one to boo."


www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/28263454/clips-paul-george-hints-tell-all-indiana-exit-not-one-boo

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Re: Paul George:

Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2019 4:55 pm
by Tom White
boomershadow wrote:
George scored 36 points and nine rebounds to lead the LA Clippers to a 110-99 win over the Pacers, but he wasn't done responding to the home crowd that got on him so much that at one point he put his finger over his mouth to silence the fans.
"I'm not surprised," George said of being booed despite it being his third time back in Indianapolis. "That's Indiana for you. It's a Hoosier thing."
George then cryptically said that one day he will tell his side of the story that led to his trade request from the Pacers in 2017.
"You know, someday I'll do a tell-all and tell the leading events of how I left Indiana," George said. "And I promise you, I'm not the one to boo."


www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/28263454/clips-paul-george-hints-tell-all-indiana-exit-not-one-boo



Meanwhile, OJ Simpson is still hunting for the "real killer".

Re: Paul George:

Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2019 5:55 pm
by boomershadow
I suspect he is talking about Bird.

Re: Paul George:

Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2019 6:24 pm
by GHOSTofSIKMA
boomershadow wrote:I suspect he is talking about Bird.


could you shed more light on that? saw somebody make mention of that on the wiretap article and came here for some perpective?

Re: Paul George:

Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2019 6:54 pm
by Scoot McGroot
GHOSTofSIKMA wrote:
boomershadow wrote:I suspect he is talking about Bird.


could you shed more light on that? saw somebody make mention of that on the wiretap article and came here for some perpective?


Bird had a press conference the season before he demanded out where Bird mentioned that he was planning on PG playing the 4 more and using his skills to his advantage there. Paul hated the idea, and then magically loved the idea when he went to OKC.

Otherwise, Paul George was all in on Indy less than 2 days before he demanded out. Paul has always said whatever he wants to say when he wants to say it to try and make life easier for him in that moment, with no deep understanding of the truth. I imagine that’s what all this was, as well.

Re: Paul George:

Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2019 7:03 pm
by Pacernation
What an idiot. Of course it's allways somebody elses fault. The Pacers FO forced you to sign that maxcontract or they forced you to leak info to the media to tank your tradevalue. Yeah sure, it has nothing to do with turning on the ppl that supported you like crazy through your injury. Spoiled athlete with an IQ of 80 burying everything about his former team and fans but expects to be the good guy. Hope he gets booed out of the building when he does his retiringtour (which i fully expect this narcisistic douche to go on). You gotta love the modern day athlete.

Re: Paul George:

Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2019 10:41 pm
by pacerfan1984
Mr. Know It All i see...Bird has a ton of responsibility in this and it started with the Granger trade (Granger pushed the Pacers to draft PG so PG and Danny were super close)and his treatment of Roy during his struggles. Why do you think West left $11 MILLION to go play for the minimum? Bird didnt know how to deal with the modern NBA player which is why he stepped down and the team viewed him a certain way because of his outdated approach. PG shares blame as well but miss me with the "narcisistic douche" label. Theres blame for BOTH sides
Pacernation wrote:What an idiot. Of course it's allways somebody elses fault. The Pacers FO forced you to sign that maxcontract or they forced you to leak info to the media to tank your tradevalue. Yeah sure, it has nothing to do with turning on the ppl that supported you like crazy through your injury. Spoiled athlete with an IQ of 80 burying everything about his former team and fans but expects to be the good guy. Hope he gets booed out of the building when he does his retiringtour (which i fully expect this narcisistic douche to go on). You gotta love the modern day athlete.

Re: Paul George:

Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2019 10:57 pm
by SmashMouthRod
In my opinion Paul has possible fair criticisms that he could be talking about. The Granger trade. Everyone loved Danny. Franks firing. Remember when Paul came; the team was bad under O'Brien. Paul along with the team rose from pretender to contender under Frank. Frank and Paul have stayed close. Treatment of Roy towards the end. Hell even D. West left angry about that. Traded G. Hill; even though I and many thought that shouldve been done. Letting Lance leave to charlotte. Paul and Lance have stayed close as well.

Re: Paul George:

Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2019 11:07 pm
by pacerfan1984
Finally someone reasonable in the room
SmashMouthRod wrote:In my opinion Paul has possible fair criticisms that he could be talking about. The Granger trade. Everyone loved Danny. Franks firing. Remember when Paul came; the team was bad under O'Brien. Paul along with the team rose from pretender to contender under Frank. Frank and Paul have stayed close. Treatment of Roy towards the end. Hell even D. West left angry about that. Traded G. Hill; even though I and many thought that shouldve been done. Letting Lance leave to charlotte. Paul and Lance have stayed close as well.

Re: Paul George:

Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2019 7:34 am
by winter_mute_13
Scoot McGroot wrote:
GHOSTofSIKMA wrote:
boomershadow wrote:I suspect he is talking about Bird.


could you shed more light on that? saw somebody make mention of that on the wiretap article and came here for some perpective?


Bird had a press conference the season before he demanded out where Bird mentioned that he was planning on PG playing the 4 more and using his skills to his advantage there. Paul hated the idea, and then magically loved the idea when he went to OKC.

Otherwise, Paul George was all in on Indy less than 2 days before he demanded out. Paul has always said whatever he wants to say when he wants to say it to try and make life easier for him in that moment, with no deep understanding of the truth. I imagine that’s what all this was, as well.


PG really pushed back on the idea of playing the 4... at the time I thought Bird had the right idea, but remember that smallball 4's weren't a regular thing yet, more like a change of pace lineup. In any event, I think PG proved himself as a scoring superstar 3 the last couple of seasons, something he never achieved here. So personally I would concede the point to PG.

From a certain perspective, PG could have hurt the Pacers even more, for example if he had kept quiet during the season and then simply left at the end of it, similar to the way Hayward treated Utah. It's true that the timing was awkward though, and it was pure chance that the Pacers managed to salvage Oladipo and Sabonis out of the situation. But it could have been worse.

FWIW, I remember the rumor was that PG wanted reassurance from Bird that the Pacers can retool the team around him, and the plan that Bird presented was that they would recruit Jrue Holiday and Gallo as his sidekicks in FA. In hindsight that doesn't seem too bad - Jrue had a star turn himself, but Gallo's career has been plagued with injuries - but PG wanted to play with someone more on LeBron's level. And fairly or not, the Pacers have never tried to recruit guys of that type, possibly with good reason.

Re: Paul George:

Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2019 2:38 pm
by Pacers_Freak
I think there is plenty of blame to go around. The main thing is IMO it is time for both sides to move on. The Pacers got a couple of damn good players out of the deal and PG got what he wanted. Everyone won. I really disliked him when it all went down, but time heals all and its time to move on from it IMO.

Re: Paul George:

Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2019 6:39 pm
by boomershadow
boomershadow wrote:I suspect he is talking about Bird.


Talked bad about Roy Hibbert in the media. Drove David West to burn millions of dollars to play for the Spurs instead of us. Publicly tried to get Paul to play power forward when he clearly didnt want to. Signed an aging Monta Ellis to starter level money, and later paired him with Jeff Teague to create a back court that couldn't shoot or defend. Fired Frank Vogel and replaced him with a coach Paul clearly didnt get along as well with. Let go or traded guys that Paul was close with, like Lance and George Hill.

And is a general horse's arse.

And I actually love Bird.

Re: Paul George:

Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2019 6:52 pm
by Tom White
winter_mute_13 wrote:FWIW, I remember the rumor was that PG wanted reassurance from Bird that the Pacers can retool the team around him, and the plan that Bird presented was that they would recruit Jrue Holiday and Gallo as his sidekicks in FA. In hindsight that doesn't seem too bad - Jrue had a star turn himself, but Gallo's career has been plagued with injuries - but PG wanted to play with someone more on LeBron's level. And fairly or not, the Pacers have never tried to recruit guys of that type, possibly with good reason.


Bird was "gone" by this point. It was KP putting things together. As to trying to acquire higher tier players? I doubt we really know much of what goes on in those discussions. There are many fewer deals done than proposals presented.

Re: Paul George:

Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2019 4:11 am
by 8305
WHAT star player have we seen resign as an URFA with a team obviously going nowhere? That roster was a dumpster fire. In retrospect I don’t blame him for wanting out.

Re: Paul George:

Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2019 3:29 pm
by pacers33granger
I understand him taking issue with the Granger trade. In hindsight, it was a very bad move, but it seemed like we were getting a 20ppg young scorer for someone who couldn't play.

But the Hibbert thing and Frank firing? Give me a break. Hibbert didn't even come close to playing up to his contract and blamed everyone else for his struggles. It was time to move on and I have no issue with Bird being blunt about that. And Frank was fine for the years he was in Indy, but he had also run his course and he just wasn't bringing much to the table at that point. We probably could/should have gone a different direction than Nate and looked at someone fresher, but that's a different story.

And if it's based on moves like signing Ellis, Stuckey, trading for Scola, etc. then whatever. Those were failures, but he had plenty of hits and that's true of any team.

Re: Paul George:

Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2019 4:53 pm
by Wizop
pacers33granger wrote:And if it's based on moves like signing Ellis, Stuckey, trading for Scola, etc. then whatever. Those were failures, but he had plenty of hits and that's true of any team.


I've always thought there was a pattern of trading for guys on the basis of their play at their prime instead of at their current age.

Re: Paul George:

Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2019 5:12 pm
by pacers33granger
Wizop wrote:
pacers33granger wrote:And if it's based on moves like signing Ellis, Stuckey, trading for Scola, etc. then whatever. Those were failures, but he had plenty of hits and that's true of any team.


I've always thought there was a pattern of trading for guys on the basis of their play at their prime instead of at their current age.


Yeah I think that was his attempt at buying low and hoping that a reduced role would allow those guys to produce better. Clearly it was one of his faults. I don't believe it is even close to enough to point the blame squarely at him though.

Re: Paul George:

Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2019 5:23 pm
by boomershadow
8305 wrote:WHAT star player have we seen resign as an URFA with a team obviously going nowhere? That roster was a dumpster fire. In retrospect I don’t blame him for wanting out.
I was actually pretty tired of George's growing prima donna attitude by that point, too, so it was probably a breakup that needed to happen for both parties.

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Re: Paul George:

Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2019 7:58 pm
by pacers33granger
boomershadow wrote:
8305 wrote:WHAT star player have we seen resign as an URFA with a team obviously going nowhere? That roster was a dumpster fire. In retrospect I don’t blame him for wanting out.
I was actually pretty tired of George's growing prima donna attitude by that point, too, so it was probably a breakup that needed to happen for both parties.

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Yeah it worked out for everyone. But it seems he's the one still holding on. I know fans booed him, but that's pretty commonplace and he had to know that it would be a long time before he got any love in Indy after demanding out.

And it's obviously just bad luck and no one's fault, but him getting injured screwed the roster hard. That was probably the last year that core had any semblance of a chance so a retool had to happen and unfortunately none of our guys had any real value.

Re: Paul George:

Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2019 8:27 pm
by 8305
pacers33granger wrote:
boomershadow wrote:
8305 wrote:WHAT star player have we seen resign as an URFA with a team obviously going nowhere? That roster was a dumpster fire. In retrospect I don’t blame him for wanting out.
I was actually pretty tired of George's growing prima donna attitude by that point, too, so it was probably a breakup that needed to happen for both parties.

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Yeah it worked out for everyone. But it seems he's the one still holding on. I know fans booed him, but that's pretty commonplace and he had to know that it would be a long time before he got any love in Indy after demanding out.

And it's obviously just bad luck and no one's fault, but him getting injured screwed the roster hard. That was probably the last year that core had any semblance of a chance so a retool had to happen and unfortunately none of our guys had any real value.


I got no problem with how things worked out either and there was plenty of blame to go around when assessing how we got into that bad overall situation. I got no problem with Paul, when athletes start to talk I generally switch the channel.