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Why do we keep hearing this BS about "Fit?"

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Re: Why do we keep hearing this BS about "Fit?" 

Post#21 » by Wizop » Sat Jan 4, 2020 2:49 am

basketballwacko2 wrote:Wasn't leaf supposed to some great stretch 4? Someone should get fired over that draft pick.
Bill Polian used to say you were doing well in the draft if you batted 560. Now I know it's a mixed metaphor from a different sport, but getting one draft pick wrong isn't a firing offense. Now I'm all for trying to trade him for a backup 4 who can defend guys too big for Jholiday to check, but he's still young. Remember how long Rik Smits took to be effective?

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Re: Why do we keep hearing this BS about "Fit?" 

Post#22 » by basketballwacko2 » Sat Jan 4, 2020 5:52 am

How about we send Leaf to Charlotto for Willie HermanGomez? Give when a 2nd too.
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Re: Why do we keep hearing this BS about "Fit?" 

Post#23 » by 8305 » Sat Jan 4, 2020 4:38 pm

I would be surprised if we were able to flip Leaf for anyone that was good enough to play ahead of J Holiday, McDermott or Warren at the 4. My guess is we would get a player about on par with Jakarr Sampson.
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Re: Why do we keep hearing this BS about "Fit?" 

Post#24 » by Scoot McGroot » Sat Jan 4, 2020 6:29 pm

basketballwacko2 wrote:How about we send Leaf to Charlotto for Willie HermanGomez? Give when a 2nd too.


I’m not sure what that would solve in trading Leaf for another pure center.
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Re: Why do we keep hearing this BS about "Fit?" 

Post#25 » by festar35 » Sat Jan 4, 2020 7:25 pm

I'm not sure Leaf really gets us anything decent in return, to me the main reason to trade him is to clear us the $4mil in cap he would hit us next year after we picked up his option. I'd be happy with a 2nd Round Pick.
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Re: Why do we keep hearing this BS about "Fit?" 

Post#26 » by Scoot McGroot » Sun Jan 5, 2020 1:23 am

festar35 wrote:I'm not sure Leaf really gets us anything decent in return, to me the main reason to trade him is to clear us the $4mil in cap he would hit us next year after we picked up his option. I'd be happy with a 2nd Round Pick.


At this point, clearing the salary to better use some of the MLE this offseason to keep Justin Holiday long term would be a big benefit.
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Re: Why do we keep hearing this BS about "Fit?" 

Post#27 » by Jake0890 » Sun Jan 5, 2020 1:38 am

Leaf has no value as an asset himself. We won't be trading him unless it's involved in a bigger deal, me thinks... so unlikely.

By the way, when's the deadline for us to pick up his 4th year option? Or has it already been picked up?
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Re: Why do we keep hearing this BS about "Fit?" 

Post#28 » by Scoot McGroot » Sun Jan 5, 2020 2:07 am

Jake0890 wrote:Leaf has no value as an asset himself. We won't be trading him unless it's involved in a bigger deal, me thinks... so unlikely.

By the way, when's the deadline for us to pick up his 4th year option? Or has it already been picked up?


Long ago passed. We already picked it up. Halloween was the deadline I think.
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Re: Why do we keep hearing this BS about "Fit?" 

Post#29 » by LoveMyRaps » Tue Jan 7, 2020 5:45 am

Who is the most likely on your team to get traded?

I feel like Turner will be highly coveted around the trade deadline.

What would it take from the Raptors to get Turner?
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Re: Why do we keep hearing this BS about "Fit?" 

Post#30 » by boomershadow » Tue Jan 7, 2020 8:36 am

LoveMyRaps wrote:Who is the most likely on your team to get traded?

I feel like Turner will be highly coveted around the trade deadline.

What would it take from the Raptors to get Turner?


I can't see Turner getting moved. I could be wrong.

I like OG. I thought we should have drafted him.
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Post#31 » by Scoot McGroot » Tue Jan 7, 2020 1:52 pm

LoveMyRaps wrote:Who is the most likely on your team to get traded?

I feel like Turner will be highly coveted around the trade deadline.

What would it take from the Raptors to get Turner?


Honestly, neither this year. We likely won’t have an answer to that u til both guys get a long run with Vic Oladipo back. I highly doubt we’d be listening to offers on either this year or this summer. If we look at any moves, it’d be much smaller, bench type moves.
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Re: Why do we keep hearing this BS about "Fit?" 

Post#32 » by Wizop » Tue Jan 7, 2020 2:20 pm

LoveMyRaps wrote:What would it take from the Raptors to get Turner?


you could move to the Western Conference. :D

seriously though, Turner isn't being traded and even if he were he wouldn't be going to one of the teams that we are fighting for playoff positioning.
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Re: Why do we keep hearing this BS about "Fit?" 

Post#33 » by boomershadow » Fri Jan 10, 2020 11:17 pm

Wiretap says we have been rebuffing trade inquiries for Turner, which probably isn't a big surprise to anyone here.
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Re: Why do we keep hearing this BS about "Fit?" 

Post#34 » by Scoot McGroot » Fri Jan 10, 2020 11:30 pm

boomershadow wrote:Wiretap says we have been rebuffing trade inquiries for Turner, which probably isn't a big surprise to anyone here.

It's from Zach Lowe's weekly column, and I snipped the Pacers part below.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/28422660/ten-nba-things-like-including-lakers-lebron
The Pacers, making it work
Domantas Sabonis and Myles Turner are both centers. They are also both good, and teams in small markets can't get picky about which good players to keep. The Pacers bet Sabonis and Turner were just different enough -- on both ends -- to make it work.

Indiana is a tidy plus-6.4 points per 100 possessions with their double-center look, and the two have settled into a groove. Sabonis has managed defending power forwards, allowing Turner to protect the basket.

It works on offense because Turner has stepped back into a secondary spot-up role. Sabonis is the hub. He sets twice as many ball screens as Turner, per Second Spectrum, and he's a pivoty passing genius in open space. He has become a little braver lately shooting long 2s out of the pick-and-roll, and he has drained 53% of them. Those aren't sexy shots, but every team needs them as a failsafe.

The Malcolm Brogdon/Sabonis pick-and-roll is already one of the league's most reliable engines of offense. They have a counter for every scheme. Both can exploit switches; Sabonis takes sneering delight in mashing little guys.

Turner is shooting 35% from deep, and struts onto center stage when Sabonis rests.

The question is whether Turner is content with this arrangement. The team belongs to Sabonis and Brogdon now. Turner jacks 16 shots per 36 minutes in his solo time, but just nine when he plays with Sabonis, per NBA.com. Turner's counting stats are down. Indiana has struggled in Turner-only minutes -- especially on the glass, where Turner remains unreliable.

The Pacers continue to turn away teams who inquire about Turner, sources say. They are good, and they want to see how things look when Victor Oladipo returns. But every team in need of a big man should keep an eye on Turner.
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Re: Why do we keep hearing this BS about "Fit?" 

Post#35 » by Pacersike » Thu Jan 16, 2020 9:02 am

Can we get A Gordon for his dunks alone? Damn...
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Re: Why do we keep hearing this BS about "Fit?" 

Post#36 » by Topofthekey » Thu Jan 16, 2020 4:07 pm

Pacersike wrote:Can we get A Gordon for his dunks alone? Damn...

I keep thinking that if AG is about the same size as PG, and Pacers turned PG into an elite defender, couldn't the Pacers do the same with AG
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Re: Why do we keep hearing this BS about "Fit?" 

Post#37 » by Tom White » Thu Jan 16, 2020 4:13 pm

Pacersike wrote:Can we get A Gordon for his dunks alone? Damn...


Sure. Why go after players with multiple talents and abilities when we can add a guy who only does one thing well? :lol:
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Re: Why do we keep hearing this BS about "Fit?" 

Post#38 » by Scoot McGroot » Thu Jan 16, 2020 6:00 pm

Topofthekey wrote:
Pacersike wrote:Can we get A Gordon for his dunks alone? Damn...

I keep thinking that if AG is about the same size as PG, and Pacers turned PG into an elite defender, couldn't the Pacers do the same with AG


Paul George already had the talent, skills, and aptitude to be an all world defender. Aaron Gordon isn't starting from the same place.
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Re: Why do we keep hearing this BS about "Fit?" 

Post#39 » by Pacersike » Thu Jan 16, 2020 6:57 pm

Tom White wrote:
Pacersike wrote:Can we get A Gordon for his dunks alone? Damn...


Sure. Why go after players with multiple talents and abilities when we can add a guy who only does one thing well? :lol:

Just keeping it simple :lol:
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Re: Why do we keep hearing this BS about "Fit?" 

Post#40 » by Wizop » Thu Jan 16, 2020 7:47 pm

trade board thread about Teague to Atlanta quotes a tweet saying MN had asked about AHoliday and we declined. of course, with us playing them twice this week, the subject could come up again.

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