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Post#141 » by Topofthekey » Tue Mar 30, 2021 4:00 am

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What I would do doesn’t matter, and I suspect it’s the opposite of how the front office feels.

At the time, the issue wasn’t just money with Thad. It was a starting position, or the chance to earn it. We told him straight up he was going to come off the bench because of Sabonis earning a promotion, and we told him we were only willing to give him a 2 year deal. He went to Chicago for a chance to start, more money, and a partially guaranteed 3rd year on top of those two things. He was one of the first free agents off the board that offseason.

This is where I am saying, in hindsight, they should have given him the money and the 3rd year

They ended up giving Lamb a 3 year deal anyway, so now we have Lamb instead of Thad

Yes, even if that meant we couldn't have signed TJ, because right now I'd rather have Thad instead of Lamb and TJ


Sure. We lack a backup PF right now, but I'm willing to assume that if we had kept Thad, and everything else stayed the same, we'd equally be looking for a backup PG right now, too.

True. But I'd rather have Thad instead of TJ right now all the same

Caris can play some backup PG when Brogdon sits, especially if the report that Pacers were open to trading Brogdon because they felt Caris can play PG is true

They can also try developing Aaron. He's been asked to play off ball this season, and the results aren't good so far. Feels like his best role is to be the backup ball handler. Compared to TJ he's more of a scoring PG, but there's value in that too

It's not perfect, but it's better than playing Justin or Doug or Lamb at PF


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Topofthekey wrote:As for the starting job, I'm not sure that was even a factor

Like you said, he must have known that we wanted to start Sabonis, yet he made it known that he wanted to be back


It was heavily reported to be a major factor. He wanted to return, but he wanted to return as the starter, and he didn't really care if that meant we had to trade Sabonis or not, he just wanted it.
He only started 16 out of 64 games he played in his first season with the Bulls anyway, so it's not like they gave him a job as a starter either


Sure, but they gave him the chance to start. We told him that he would not other than injuries.

By sheer cap mechanics, it would definitely have required we didn't acquire Lamb and one of TJ or Justin. That's a fact. The other reality is that for Thad to return, we probably would have had to deal Sabonis before last season during that free agency period.

It's hard to say. I don't remember reading anything about Thad wanting to be a starter even if it meant trading Domas

If that was true, then obviously we 'd rather just let Thad walk than accommodate him

But looking at his tenure with the Bulls so far, he seems to be embracing the bench role, so it feels like he would have embraced the bench role here as well
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Post#142 » by Scoot McGroot » Tue Mar 30, 2021 1:55 pm

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Topofthekey wrote:This is where I am saying, in hindsight, they should have given him the money and the 3rd year

They ended up giving Lamb a 3 year deal anyway, so now we have Lamb instead of Thad

Yes, even if that meant we couldn't have signed TJ, because right now I'd rather have Thad instead of Lamb and TJ


Sure. We lack a backup PF right now, but I'm willing to assume that if we had kept Thad, and everything else stayed the same, we'd equally be looking for a backup PG right now, too.

True. But I'd rather have Thad instead of TJ right now all the same

Caris can play some backup PG when Brogdon sits, especially if the report that Pacers were open to trading Brogdon because they felt Caris can play PG is true

They can also try developing Aaron. He's been asked to play off ball this season, and the results aren't good so far. Feels like his best role is to be the backup ball handler. Compared to TJ he's more of a scoring PG, but there's value in that too

It's not perfect, but it's better than playing Justin or Doug or Lamb at PF


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Topofthekey wrote:As for the starting job, I'm not sure that was even a factor

Like you said, he must have known that we wanted to start Sabonis, yet he made it known that he wanted to be back


It was heavily reported to be a major factor. He wanted to return, but he wanted to return as the starter, and he didn't really care if that meant we had to trade Sabonis or not, he just wanted it.
He only started 16 out of 64 games he played in his first season with the Bulls anyway, so it's not like they gave him a job as a starter either


Sure, but they gave him the chance to start. We told him that he would not other than injuries.

By sheer cap mechanics, it would definitely have required we didn't acquire Lamb and one of TJ or Justin. That's a fact. The other reality is that for Thad to return, we probably would have had to deal Sabonis before last season during that free agency period.

It's hard to say. I don't remember reading anything about Thad wanting to be a starter even if it meant trading Domas

If that was true, then obviously we 'd rather just let Thad walk than accommodate him

But looking at his tenure with the Bulls so far, he seems to be embracing the bench role, so it feels like he would have embraced the bench role here as well



He expected to start in Indy. He was not comfortable taking a pay cut for a demotion on the team he had built.
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Post#143 » by Scoot McGroot » Tue Mar 30, 2021 9:34 pm

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Post#144 » by Scoot McGroot » Tue Mar 30, 2021 10:47 pm

SI has interesting thoughts on the decrease of importance of rebounding which could explain some of our issues there.

Basically, with the rise of the 3, there’s less rebounders in the lane, and offenses are turning to prevent transition opportunities rather than crashing the boards hard.
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Post#146 » by Wizop » Yesterday 2:28 am

Oladipo hurt knee tonight.

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Post#147 » by Scoot McGroot » Yesterday 2:57 am

Wizop wrote:Oladipo hurt knee tonight.

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Post#148 » by boomershadow » Yesterday 3:10 am

Levert all the sudden looking like a really good return lol.
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Post#149 » by Topofthekey » Yesterday 11:26 am

Oladipo is really going to regret turning down that max extension from the Pacers if his injuries prevent him from getting a big contract in the off-season

He gambled that someone would pay him more on the open market, and it's not looking like a good gamble right now

If anything, Pacers might have dodged a bullet when Oladipo turned down the extension
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Post#150 » by Wizop » Yesterday 12:57 pm

Topofthekey wrote:Oladipo is really going to regret turning down that max extension from the Pacers if his injuries prevent him from getting a big contract in the off-season.


Schadenfreude - I don't want to feel good about anyone being injured, but this was my first thought too.
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Post#151 » by Scoot McGroot » Yesterday 1:34 pm

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Topofthekey wrote:Oladipo is really going to regret turning down that max extension from the Pacers if his injuries prevent him from getting a big contract in the off-season.


Schadenfreude - I don't want to feel good about anyone being injured, but this was my first thought too.


In all honesty, he might still be happy if he doesn’t get the full max extension we offered, but if he gets a good amount in Miami. :dontknow:
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Post#153 » by Topofthekey » Today 2:40 pm

Pacers aren't tanking. Raptors aren't tanking

Pacers currently has 4.8% chance at a top 4 pick. Raptors has 29%

Can we do "not tanking" like how Raptors do it?
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Post#154 » by Scoot McGroot » Today 2:53 pm

Topofthekey wrote:Pacers aren't tanking. Raptors aren't tanking

Pacers currently has 4.8% chance at a top 4 pick. Raptors has 29%

Can we do "not tanking" like how Raptors do it?


In fairness to the Raptors, they’ve been playing a thousand miles from home, and have had a ton of injuries, and a bad Covid run through the locker room where they were running only 7 guys for a couple weeks, and using their trainer as the lead assistant coach on the bench for awhile.

But otherwise, I’m just all about Aaron, Goga and Sumner getting 20 minutes EVERY. SINGLE. NIGHT. I’d like to see Bowen, Martin, and Stanley get a short 2-3 minute run, at least, every game, too. Keep Brogdon and Sabonis to about 32 minutes a night. From there, play it as usual and let the chips fall where they may.
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Post#155 » by Topofthekey » Today 4:18 pm

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