8305 wrote: Scoot McGroot wrote:
If you are rolling with Sabonis the overall composition of the rest of the team has to get more athletic. If you agree with that premise neither McConnell or McDermott are that important
I guess I don’t necessarily agree with the concept that the rest of the team has to get “Uber-athletic”. I think Warren’s return and Oshae’s signing help a ton. A draft pick could too. But, if both McConnell and McDermott walk, you have only the MLE and BAE to possibly replace them. You won’t gain cap space or anything of the sort.
I would agree that Turner for Wiggins makes the team more stylistically athletic. It definitely doesn’t make the team better defensively though. It’s clearly a downgrade, if “getting more athletic” is the goal, especially if Levert (a quite athletic scorer) goes out, too.
I’m not bothered by a possible trade of one of Brogdon/Levert or Sabonis/Turner. Just has to make sense. And, it can’t be “upgrades us defensively at a wing spot” if it really downgrades the roster defensively so much that the Levert to Wiggins upgrade is a massive downgrade on court with Turner gone. If all that makes sense. If you want to acquire Wiggins, that’s fine. Just sell it as “he’s a wing, and we’d have to match salaries, and really we get other stuff that makes us better in the long-run, but worse right now”. Don’t sell it as if it’s upgrading the roster defensively. I’m not sold that Wiggins is really a good defender. I think he’s a worker, there, who looks better when playing next to a Draymond, much like Warren is a worker that looks better defensively next to a Turner.
I’m seeing the team at a crossroads of sorts. Would Pritchard bring yet another coach whose main charge is figure out how to make the Sabonis/Turner thing work? That seems crazy. So I’m saying pick one and that with that choice I say Sabonis. If it’s Sabonis you have to assemble better athletes/defenders or opponents will routinely be scoring 130/night.
The most important component of a Turner trade is long term value. A mid lottery pick seems to be in the ballpark value for Turner and Wiggins seems like a better compliment to Sabonis. Even if you don’t bring back TJ and Doug I’m seeing this depth chart.
C. Sabonis, Bitadze
pF. Warren, Brisset
Sf. Wiggins, J Holiday
Sg. Brogdan, Lamb
Pg. A Holiday, Sumner
Then you have two solid picks in a deep draft. Let’s say for grins Barnes and Mitchel. I like that better than running back Turner/Sabonis again. Much as I like Doug is he playing ahead of that assembly of wings. TJ would be nice but wouldn’t you rather develop Sumner and Mitchell?
I guess the question is what can the team obtain by trading Myles
I'm OK with the trade you suggested, but only if the Wolves pick conveys at #4, for the chance to draft Jalen Green, who I think has star potential
I don't think trading Myles for someone else, like Barnes, helps the team really
Myles is already a difference maker on defense, whereas the rookie that you draft with that pick, you're hoping that he becomes a difference maker like Myles is
If it's not possible to trade Myles (or Domas, whichever one Warriors prefer really) for Jalen Green for whatever reason (pick didn't convey, pick conveyed outside of top 5, etc) then I would look to trade for players instead of draft picks, if the opportunity presents itself
For example, I read about Siakam being not too happy with Nick Nurse, so maybe some kind of Domas/Myles + #13 for Siakam + #7 would be possible
Alternatively, Lavine might get sick of losing with the Bulls, so maybe there's a possibility of something like LeVert + Warren for Lavine + Patrick Williams
If Pelicans want to trade Ingram, maybe we can offer Warren + Brogdon
Or maybe 76ers get demolished in the playoffs and Simmons becomes available in a trade
The team just got to be a bit patient and look for the right trade