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Pacers Forever wrote:Another thing that might have them upset is that the Pacers maxed out Myles and to be honest he hasn’t performed like a max player. If it wasn’t a max deal at the time it was still too much in my opinion. Is it his fault he got over paid ? NO !
I despise the pro sports pay scales which in turn have made sports tickets and what once was an affordable evening out a little harder for the average fan to stomach.

Pacers Forever wrote:I think some Pacers fans that are disappointed with Myles is that they remember Jermaine O’Neal and thought that Myles would have a great career like Jermaine did. Of course he’s still got time to find a dominant offensive game. Another thing that might have them upset is that the Pacers maxed out Myles and to be honest he hasn’t performed like a max player. If it wasn’t a max deal at the time it was still too much in my opinion. Is it his fault he got over paid ? NO !
I despise the pro sports pay scales which in turn have made sports tickets and what once was an affordable evening out a little harder for the average fan to stomach. Am I jealous of their money ? Not the least bit. I just don’t think athletes should earn what they do. Do they entertain me ? Sure As much as I love to attend live sporting events I can forfeit that privilege and watch just fine on TV and save $$. I think movie stars or actors and actresses are the biggest examples of ridiculously overpaid people. A few musicians are, but concerts are for the most part still affordable. Ok rant over.

Pacers Forever wrote:Now for the draft prospects I thought the Kentucky Wildcat (HATE) player Jackson was similar to Kai Jones. I’m torn between the two and would be happy with either if picked. Jackson seems to like defense and have a good motor. Not as polished on Defense. I’m not sure about Earl for short. I’d agree that it would be nice to take a flyer on a G league spot for the Mingus kid. Didn’t like the Illinois guard.

Now who I’d like to see the Pacers workout is Kispert, Wagner, Mitchell, Duarte, and Murphy. I don’t think anyone is going to see Giddey per reports.

Pacers Forever wrote:Now for the draft prospects I thought the Kentucky Wildcat (HATE) player Jackson was similar to Kai Jones. I’m torn between the two and would be happy with either if picked.

Pacers Forever wrote:Now it probably doesn’t look as bad because of contract inflation continues year after year.

Wizop wrote:For what it's worth Chad Ford's Big Board has Wagner 9, J Johnson 12, Jackson 16, and Kai 23. Thor and Robinson-Earl get round 2 grades.

Tom White wrote:I understand the clips you posted are just short takes on each player, but after watching those, I can understand why he would rate Wagner above the others.

Scoot McGroot wrote:

Well, a lot of people dislike Myles for it. It's not new, and been going on for years now. Because he can't seem to figure out what he needs to do to be THAT kind of a player. Unless he overcomes whatever it is, no matter how many blocks per game he gets, he will not get the reputation and consideration of being a legit DPOY candidate. Bottom line is, he could be a lot better and many people are expecting him to break that barrier like every year. And yes, since you've mentioned, a lot of times you'd see an opponent get past him for a layup and you'll say to yourself Myles could've gotten that. Slow feet? Slow jumper? Hesitating to commit a foul? Only Myles know. I am pretty sure though, give JaKarr Sampson that size, talent, and physique and he'd probably be an all-star easily.

I can’t recall people disliking Turner for his motor. I’ve really only ever heard people disliking Turner for his lack of rebounding numbers, and because they thought that he’d turn out to be a 20/15 type perennial DPOY type player. His lack of turning into a superstar is what has soured fans on him the most. And that’s realistically not Turner’s fault.

I don’t really agree on the layup comment either. Guys get past him sometimes. That happens in the NBA. Guys get past PG, Kawhi, and Gobert sometimes, too. It happens. It also happens sometimes that you recognize you can’t get to a shot or a guy, so you do the next best thing and hedge your bets to make sure they don’t dish off for an even easier shot.

I also don’t agree that Jakarr has a better motor than Turner. Jakarr just only had 2-5 minutes at a time to play his entire nights worth of energy. Turner is trying to make it 28-35 minutes per night, depending on the night. Look at how TJ McConnell played on nights he played 35 minutes versus the energy he played with on nights he only played 15 minutes. There’s a natural difference there. To me, Sampson played out of control energetic often, while Myles was in control of his energy and focus for the long haul. I guess give Myles Giannis’ athleticism and Myles would be an MVP easily?

Overall, You (the royal you, not you in particular) think what you think. That’s absolutely fine. We all see different things and watch with a slightly different eye. Neither is necessarily more accurate or superior to the other. On the flip side of that, I just really don’t see a lack of effort or motor on Turner’s part. I’ve never doubted Myles’ motor, attitude, or effort myself.

Wizop wrote:when I first started looking at prospects, Wagner was my first choice but now it looks like he won't be there at 13. I heard though that he wasn't a big factor for Germany in the Olympic qualifying rounds. I also wonder why Kai came off the bench at Texas but is ranked way above Brown who started.

Moooose wrote:

Scoot McGroot wrote:

Well, a lot of people dislike Myles for it. It's not new, and been going on for years now. Because he can't seem to figure out what he needs to do to be THAT kind of a player. Unless he overcomes whatever it is, no matter how many blocks per game he gets, he will not get the reputation and consideration of being a legit DPOY candidate. Bottom line is, he could be a lot better and many people are expecting him to break that barrier like every year. And yes, since you've mentioned, a lot of times you'd see an opponent get past him for a layup and you'll say to yourself Myles could've gotten that. Slow feet? Slow jumper? Hesitating to commit a foul? Only Myles know. I am pretty sure though, give JaKarr Sampson that size, talent, and physique and he'd probably be an all-star easily.

I can’t recall people disliking Turner for his motor. I’ve really only ever heard people disliking Turner for his lack of rebounding numbers, and because they thought that he’d turn out to be a 20/15 type perennial DPOY type player. His lack of turning into a superstar is what has soured fans on him the most. And that’s realistically not Turner’s fault.

I don’t really agree on the layup comment either. Guys get past him sometimes. That happens in the NBA. Guys get past PG, Kawhi, and Gobert sometimes, too. It happens. It also happens sometimes that you recognize you can’t get to a shot or a guy, so you do the next best thing and hedge your bets to make sure they don’t dish off for an even easier shot.

I also don’t agree that Jakarr has a better motor than Turner. Jakarr just only had 2-5 minutes at a time to play his entire nights worth of energy. Turner is trying to make it 28-35 minutes per night, depending on the night. Look at how TJ McConnell played on nights he played 35 minutes versus the energy he played with on nights he only played 15 minutes. There’s a natural difference there. To me, Sampson played out of control energetic often, while Myles was in control of his energy and focus for the long haul. I guess give Myles Giannis’ athleticism and Myles would be an MVP easily?

Overall, You (the royal you, not you in particular) think what you think. That’s absolutely fine. We all see different things and watch with a slightly different eye. Neither is necessarily more accurate or superior to the other. On the flip side of that, I just really don’t see a lack of effort or motor on Turner’s part. I’ve never doubted Myles’ motor, attitude, or effort myself.

Well, we can leave it at that. I am tired of the Myles Turner discussions. You can find a lot of it in the facebook pages, for one. But give Myles the same willingness Giannis have and it would yield a very much different result. Maybe we (the ones who think Myles is lacking something) are on the half-full glass perspective about Myles.

Scoot McGroot wrote:

Moooose wrote:Maybe we (the ones who think Myles is lacking something) are on the half-full glass perspective about Myles.

I hear ya. Hit me on a different day and I’m glass half-empty on Myles. Right now, I’m glass half-full on him.

Tom White wrote:Maybe all you guys need is a different size glass.

pacers33granger wrote:We should all be concerned about the recent reports, though they aren't surprising. If we are going to waste a lotto pick on a low ceiling win-now player, it makes sense to trade down at least, but we should be swinging. It's not like any rookie will see minutes unless they're super impressive anyways.

Wizop wrote:

pacers33granger wrote:We should all be concerned about the recent reports, though they aren't surprising. If we are going to waste a lotto pick on a low ceiling win-now player, it makes sense to trade down at least, but we should be swinging. It's not like any rookie will see minutes unless they're super impressive anyways.

Don't you think if we're trading down it's because we like a low floor high ceiling player? I do. I think the safer picks go higher.

My new theory is losing teams must take the BPA, but win now teams can draft for need. I'd say our need is athletic ability more than position except maybe for a top, speedy, backcourt defender.

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pacers33granger wrote:We should all be concerned about the recent reports, though they aren't surprising. If we are going to waste a lotto pick on a low ceiling win-now player, it makes sense to trade down at least, but we should be swinging. It's not like any rookie will see minutes unless they're super impressive anyways.