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Official: Sumner Tears Achilles, Out Indefinitely

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Official: Sumner Tears Achilles, Out Indefinitely 

Post#1 » by Scoot McGroot » Thu Sep 9, 2021 7:47 pm

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Re: Official: Sumner Tears Achilles, Out Indefinitely 

Post#2 » by Scoot McGroot » Thu Sep 9, 2021 7:47 pm

Such a BUMMER. This guy has worked his butt off to come back from so many injuries and become a key contributor in the nba. What a heartbreak.
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Re: Official: Sumner Tears Achilles, Out Indefinitely 

Post#3 » by pacers33granger » Thu Sep 9, 2021 7:58 pm

So we're now down 2 wings. Plus this makes it even more crucial that we find a 3rd pg as Sumner may have been slated to see some spot minutes handling the ball.

Looks like Lamb and Martin may actually be needed early on unfortunately.

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Re: Official: Sumner Tears Achilles, Out Indefinitely 

Post#4 » by Tom White » Thu Sep 9, 2021 8:08 pm

Does the report of yet another Pacers player injury surprise anyone?
I think the greater surprise would be if there were no injuries to report.
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Re: Official: Sumner Tears Achilles, Out Indefinitely 

Post#5 » by Wizop » Thu Sep 9, 2021 8:09 pm

here we go again
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Re: Official: Sumner Tears Achilles, Out Indefinitely 

Post#6 » by Scoot McGroot » Thu Sep 9, 2021 8:26 pm

pacers33granger wrote:So we're now down 2 wings. Plus this makes it even more crucial that we find a 3rd pg as Sumner may have been slated to see some spot minutes handling the ball.

Looks like Lamb and Martin may actually be needed early on unfortunately.

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Yup. Levert is going to get a chance to run the PG spot some too, so we’re going to see avenues for all the guys to get run. Not terribly hard to see chances for Goga and Jackson to even get some more run with having to play Craig/Brissett down at the 3 more, and Levert/Duarte having to play some down at the 1 a little.
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Re: Official: Sumner Tears Achilles, Out Indefinitely 

Post#7 » by davidfr94 » Thu Sep 9, 2021 8:27 pm

Of course.

he had a bit of potential so yeah nothing unusual.

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Post#8 » by Wizop » Thu Sep 9, 2021 8:33 pm

feels like
Brogdon, Levert, Holiday, Turner, Sabonis
McConnell, Duarte, Craig, Turbonis, Brissett
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Post#9 » by Wizop » Thu Sep 9, 2021 8:40 pm

does a roster exemption come with any luxury tax relief? based on Colts injuries, this is a full season rehab.
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Re: Official: Sumner Tears Achilles, Out Indefinitely 

Post#10 » by boomershadow » Thu Sep 9, 2021 9:19 pm

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Re: Official: Sumner Tears Achilles, Out Indefinitely 

Post#11 » by Scoot McGroot » Thu Sep 9, 2021 9:29 pm

Wizop wrote:does a roster exemption come with any luxury tax relief? based on Colts injuries, this is a full season rehab.



No. We can apply for a DPE, but it could only be used for a player in the last year of their deal, and only good for up to about $1.15m, which is less than a vet minimum salary.

As for a roster spot, well, we’re about halfway there.

The NBA can grant a team a hardship exception when that team has at least four players who have missed three or more games due to injury or illness and are expected to miss at least two more weeks. A hardship exception allows the club to add an extra player to its 15-man roster, increasing its roster limit to 16.
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Re: Official: Sumner Tears Achilles, Out Indefinitely 

Post#12 » by Pacers Forever » Thu Sep 9, 2021 10:52 pm

So with Sumner on Injury list does this not open up a roster spot ? If so we should be able to sign Lance :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: Official: Sumner Tears Achilles, Out Indefinitely 

Post#13 » by Scoot McGroot » Fri Sep 10, 2021 12:14 am

Pacers Forever wrote:So with Sumner on Injury list does this not open up a roster spot ? If so we should be able to sign Lance :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:



Nope. Still have to carry him on the 15 man roster all season. No season long IR to clear a spot.
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Re: Official: Sumner Tears Achilles, Out Indefinitely 

Post#14 » by Boneman2 » Fri Sep 10, 2021 1:11 am

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Pacers Forever wrote:So with Sumner on Injury list does this not open up a roster spot ? If so we should be able to sign Lance :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:



Nope. Still have to carry him on the 15 man roster all season. No season long IR to clear a spot.


So we only have 14 spots? Damn
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Re: Official: Sumner Tears Achilles, Out Indefinitely 

Post#15 » by Scoot McGroot » Fri Sep 10, 2021 1:39 am

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Pacers Forever wrote:So with Sumner on Injury list does this not open up a roster spot ? If so we should be able to sign Lance :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:



Nope. Still have to carry him on the 15 man roster all season. No season long IR to clear a spot.


So we only have 14 spots? Damn


We still have 15. Sumner just counts as 1. We could waive him and make him an unrestricted free agent to clear the spot.
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Post#16 » by Topofthekey » Fri Sep 10, 2021 8:00 am

The injuries are starting to pile up and the season hasn't even started
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Re: Official: Sumner Tears Achilles, Out Indefinitely 

Post#17 » by Cresy06 » Fri Sep 10, 2021 8:00 am

What a BUMMER.
I was looking forward to him having a break out year...This is really bad for him.

I guess we will need Lamb, maybe by the trade deadline he will have restored his value and we can get something in return.
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Re: Official: Sumner Tears Achilles, Out Indefinitely 

Post#18 » by Topofthekey » Sat Sep 11, 2021 8:47 am

The wiretap article mentioned that the recovery time for this type of injury is usually about 12 months

If that's the case Sumner is basically out for the season
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Post#20 » by Scoot McGroot » Tue Sep 14, 2021 5:28 pm

Topofthekey wrote:The wiretap article mentioned that the recovery time for this type of injury is usually about 12 months

If that's the case Sumner is basically out for the season


Historically, yes. The Athletic wrote up how the process has changed over the years (in regards to the Colts and their signing/drafting of multiple players recovering from Achilles tears/ruptures), and how the recovery timeline has changed. They used to completely immobilize the ankle in a supine position (I believe) for up to 6 weeks before allowing any rehab to begin. This usually led to a MASSIVE loss of muscle tissue throughout that leg, which they believe slowed down the rehab, and guys wouldn’t return to play for more than a year, and wouldn’t return to their old self for multiple years, if ever. However, they’re now immobilizing for only a couple days, and then starting the movement/rehab process almost immediately. They’re now seeing returns to the court (at least for practice/rehab) in 8-12 months with largely a return to normal in under 2 years. For example, we saw Kevin Durant undergo surgery in June of 2019, and he returned to play, and almost immediately as his old self, by December of 2020. He wasn’t healthy enough to return to play by the end of the previous season, or August of 2020 (14 months from surgery). Durant took longer, and returned to play in 16 months from his surgery, and excelled.


I wouldn’t be terribly surprised, though, if Sumner and his agent looked to extend for 1 or 2 years with the Pacers. Any extension would be limited to starting at $2.784m in year one, and a 2nd year would max at just over $3m. For Sumner, this would provide security for his recovery/rehab season next year, and maintain Bird Rights in free agency to open up his options, as well. He would then enter unrestricted free agency for the first time at either age 28, or 29, and hopefully fully healthy to hopefully net his first big money contract.

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