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Game 15 @ New York 9pm 

Post#1 » by ducler » Mon Nov 15, 2021 10:38 pm

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Re: Game 15 @ New York 9pm 

Post#4 » by Pacers Forever » Tue Nov 16, 2021 1:53 am

Pretty even first half. Both teams went through streaks of poor play and good play. Gotta stop Kemba and Rose second half and not let Randle or any of the other slumping Knicks get hot.

Liked Kelan 2-3 in 7 minutes. Needs more minutes. Glad Goga got some run.
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Post#5 » by Wizop » Tue Nov 16, 2021 2:52 am

I'm starting to dislike LeVert. He just doesn't square up.

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Re: Game 15 @ New York 9pm 

Post#6 » by Pacers Forever » Tue Nov 16, 2021 3:13 am

Wizop wrote:I'm starting to dislike LeVert. He just doesn't square up.

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Most of team shot bad tonight @ 37% from 2 vs Knicks 44%. Knicks defense was the biggest factor tonight plus Pacers inability to guard Walker, Rose, and Quickly. 4th quarter was horrible.

I hope Justin Holiday can figure out how to shoot better. 30% Justin tonight is becoming old. Both he and LeVert are shooting 40% for the year. Brogdon 43% Sabonis 55% Turner 55%.
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Re: Game 15 @ New York 9pm 

Post#7 » by Topofthekey » Tue Nov 16, 2021 4:09 am

Didn't watch this game, saw the boxscore

Any correlation between Brogdon and LeVert playing heavy minutes and Walker, Rose, and Quickley all having good games?
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Re: Game 15 @ New York 9pm 

Post#8 » by 8305 » Tue Nov 16, 2021 10:06 am

Wizop wrote:I'm starting to dislike LeVert. He just doesn't square up.

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I think the knock on Caris has been inefficient scorer and and a negative defender. I slept through this one but the box score paints a picture of Caris playing to his rep.
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Re: Game 15 @ New York 9pm 

Post#9 » by pacers33granger » Tue Nov 16, 2021 1:07 pm

Topofthekey wrote:Didn't watch this game, saw the boxscore

Any correlation between Brogdon and LeVert playing heavy minutes and Walker, Rose, and Quickley all having good games?
Not specifically. IQ hit some quick threes, Kimba was hot early on, and Rose has just been really good for New York.

It was offensively that our backcourt duo doomed us. Both played a bit too much hero ball. The ball sticks with them and Lamb. Caris is the worst offender but still the only guy we have who can break a defense down on his own.

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Re: Game 15 @ New York 9pm 

Post#10 » by 8305 » Tue Nov 16, 2021 2:17 pm

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Topofthekey wrote:Didn't watch this game, saw the boxscore

Any correlation between Brogdon and LeVert playing heavy minutes and Walker, Rose, and Quickley all having good games?
Not specifically. IQ hit some quick threes, Kimba was hot early on, and Rose has just been really good for New York.

It was offensively that our backcourt duo doomed us. Both played a bit too much hero ball. The ball sticks with them and Lamb. Caris is the worst offender but still the only guy we have who can break a defense down on his own.

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This sounds like a logical explanation for Myles playing 30 minutes and getting 4 shots?
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Re: Game 15 @ New York 9pm 

Post#11 » by Tom White » Tue Nov 16, 2021 2:36 pm

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Topofthekey wrote:Didn't watch this game, saw the boxscore

Any correlation between Brogdon and LeVert playing heavy minutes and Walker, Rose, and Quickley all having good games?
Not specifically. IQ hit some quick threes, Kimba was hot early on, and Rose has just been really good for New York.

It was offensively that our backcourt duo doomed us. Both played a bit too much hero ball. The ball sticks with them and Lamb. Caris is the worst offender but still the only guy we have who can break a defense down on his own.


I only watched a few minutes of the game. Still going by my rule of they have to give me a reason to watch. But even in a brief viewing I can agree with your assessment of some guys playing hero ball. Brogdon still seems to think it is his birth-right to do whatever he wants on the court. Apparently the coaches are OK with that, so no change from last year. Yes, he puts up some numbers, but from what I've seen those numbers seem to come at a cost.

Did look at the box score though.

How is it that Turner plays 32 minutes and only gets 4 shots? Sometimes I wonder if he is just not working on getting open, or whether the guards are ignoring him. Seriously, almost everyone else got more shots off regardless of playing fewer minutes. Puzzling.
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Re: Game 15 @ New York 9pm 

Post#12 » by Scoot McGroot » Tue Nov 16, 2021 4:09 pm

I watched the game. Some of the issues of Turner’s low shot count were from a bit of hero-ball at times (though not the whole game…mostly just the 4th quarter), lack of ball movement to both sides, and finally, a bit of Turner not playing with his newfound confidence on offense. He had a couple plays where he had the drive lined up, and passed out on the first step and avoiding what would’ve been by far the best offensive opportunity on the possession.

Overall, the offensive flow slowed down in the 4th quarter, and some of it was due to great defense from New York in the 4th (they benched Kemba/Fournier completely). But, even the relatively open shots we were getting just weren’t falling. It was a painful finish.
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Re: Game 15 @ New York 9pm 

Post#13 » by Topofthekey » Tue Nov 16, 2021 5:12 pm

Brogdon, LeVert, and McConnell were 15-42 combined

The problem is in the backcourt
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Re: Game 15 @ New York 9pm 

Post#14 » by Scoot McGroot » Tue Nov 16, 2021 7:37 pm

Topofthekey wrote:Brogdon, LeVert, and McConnell were 15-42 combined

The problem is in the backcourt


To be fair, that's also where many of the best defenders are for NY.
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Re: Game 15 @ New York 9pm 

Post#15 » by pacers33granger » Tue Nov 16, 2021 7:52 pm

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Topofthekey wrote:Brogdon, LeVert, and McConnell were 15-42 combined

The problem is in the backcourt


To be fair, that's also where many of the best defenders are for NY.
Kemba and Fournier are awful defenders. Rose is ok. Barrett is pretty good. Burks is OK. I wouldn't call any of them great though. It was strong team defense that the guards tried to beat with dribbling.

Taj was the main problem as he gave Domas fits and the guards just stopped going inside after a bit.

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Re: Game 15 @ New York 9pm 

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Topofthekey wrote:Brogdon, LeVert, and McConnell were 15-42 combined

The problem is in the backcourt


To be fair, that's also where many of the best defenders are for NY.
Kemba and Fournier are awful defenders. Rose is ok. Barrett is pretty good. Burks is OK. I wouldn't call any of them great though. It was strong team defense that the guards tried to beat with dribbling.

Taj was the main problem as he gave Domas fits and the guards just stopped going inside after a bit.

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4th quarter they benched Fournier and Kemba. Quickley and Barrett were playing top notch defense iat the guard spots.
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Post#17 » by Scoot McGroot » Tue Nov 16, 2021 11:18 pm

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Re: Game 15 @ New York 9pm 

Post#18 » by pacers33granger » Wed Nov 17, 2021 1:28 pm

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To be fair, that's also where many of the best defenders are for NY.
Kemba and Fournier are awful defenders. Rose is ok. Barrett is pretty good. Burks is OK. I wouldn't call any of them great though. It was strong team defense that the guards tried to beat with dribbling.

Taj was the main problem as he gave Domas fits and the guards just stopped going inside after a bit.

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4th quarter they benched Fournier and Kemba. Quickley and Barrett were playing top notch defense iat the guard spots.
Their defense was OK but I wouldn't consider it great. Our guys just tried to do too much. When guards are taking the majority of the clock without a pass it doesn't work unless you've got someone like Harden.

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Re: Game 15 @ New York 9pm 

Post#19 » by Tom White » Wed Nov 17, 2021 2:07 pm

pacers33granger wrote:When guards are taking the majority of the clock without a pass it doesn't work unless you've got someone like Harden.


The way some of the guys like to hang onto the ball and dribble the day away sort of reminds me of Travis Best. NOT a fond memory.
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Re: Game 15 @ New York 9pm 

Post#20 » by Topofthekey » Wed Nov 17, 2021 3:50 pm

Tom White wrote:
pacers33granger wrote:When guards are taking the majority of the clock without a pass it doesn't work unless you've got someone like Harden.


The way some of the guys like to hang onto the ball and dribble the day away sort of reminds me of Travis Best. NOT a fond memory.

Don't even have to go back that far

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