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So, what do we do with the 6th pick? 

Post#1 » by Cresy06 » Wed May 18, 2022 3:14 pm

Kevin Pritchard said he would try to be aggressive and look at all the options on the board.
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So what would you do?

Which Prospect would you draft?
Would you keep him or trade him?
Trade up or down?

Personally, I would try to package the 6th pick with Brogdon and try to move up, or try to get a talented young player to pair up with Haliburton and keep Turner as your defensive presence.
Alternatively, draft Agbaji or Murray and move Brogdon for another pick.

Whats your move?
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Re: So, what do we do with the 6th pick? 

Post#2 » by Hoop Hunter » Wed May 18, 2022 5:07 pm

One of Murray, Sharpe or Ivey should be there at 6, unless there workouts are outstanding and they all move up. I like Murray.

If we make a trade I'd want another pick, not move up. I'd move up for Smith, but I don't see that happening. I don't care for Banchero or Chet.
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Re: So, what do we do with the 6th pick? 

Post#3 » by granger05 » Wed May 18, 2022 7:44 pm

I feel that there is a group of 4 players (Chet, Jabari, Banchero and Ivey) that are in one tier and then Sharpe and Murray are in the next tier down. I don't feel like there's a big enough gap between the tiers that I'd want the team to give up much to move up. It also wouldn't surprise me if Murray or Sharpe moved ahead of anybody in that first group. There's plenty of time before the draft so this may not even be the obvious first six players by the time things roll around. I could see somebody else being our favorite over these guys as well where a trade back would look attractive.

I think the draft is just such a crap shoot. I assume we'll take the BPA wherever we are which I think is the right thing to do. I think the guys that look like a core for us in Hali, Turner, Duarte and maybe IJax are pretty flexible pieces that you can slot in around pretty easily. I read that Kravitz piece/interview with Pritchard on the Athletic and it read like the standard piece using the media as a mouthpiece. It was just all management buzzwords. I'm sure we'll be proactive and synergize. Basically, it didn't really say much of anything other than assuring whatever audience it was intended for that everybody is working really hard and doing all of the stuff that you (specifically, you, the internet person reading this) want them to do.

One thing I did see in that piece was that they hoped to retain Jalen Smith. I assumed it was a foregone conclusion that he was gone. I don't want to derail the discussion on the 6th pick though so I'll just say that I had hoped we'd move up, but I do feel like we're on in the last slot before a pretty big tier break so better to be on this side of things than the other. I'd be fine with any of the projected top 6. I think my preferred order would be Jabari, Ivey, Chet, Paolo, Sharpe, Murray. One of them will be there for our pick.
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Re: So, what do we do with the 6th pick? 

Post#4 » by Topofthekey » Wed May 18, 2022 8:39 pm

In a vacuum, my preferred route is to trade Brogdon + #6 for a good young player who can join Haliburton and the rest in forming our young core

Problem is, I can't think of a suitable trade target. I can't think of a team who would give us a good young player that we like for Brogdon and #6

In terms of trading up, I think the teams picking #1-3 are all going to be very comfortable with just using their pick, so I don't think they'd trade their pick unless it's an overpay, which we shouldn't be doing

Kings at #4 is interesting. There's a legitimate chance that they'll want to trade the pick for more win-now help. I think they'd happily do something like Brogdon + #6 for #4. The question is, is there a need for Pacers to give up value to move up to #4? Unless there's someone they love, I lean towards no. Just stay at #6 and pick BPA
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Re: So, what do we do with the 6th pick? 

Post#5 » by Wizop » Wed May 18, 2022 8:57 pm

I don't see trading up. I don't think we could get Smith, Banchero, or Holmgren and I don't see enough of a difference between Ivey, Sharpe, and Murray to make me want to give something away to move up to be able to choose between them.

I do also like Mathurin and Sochan and even Griffin if he shows he can defend at his workout so I wouldn't hate if we talked about moving down for example the Spurs have 9 and 20. I'd also gladly move Brogdon or Hield (preferably Brogdon) for a pick in the 1 to 25 range.

it'll be very interesting to see who will fall to 31. Minott, Miller, Baldwin, Liddell, and even TJD could be there. aren't Oshae, Duarte, Sharpe, and Miller all from Canada?
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Re: So, what do we do with the 6th pick? 

Post#6 » by basketballwacko2 » Wed May 18, 2022 10:22 pm

Cresy06 wrote:Kevin Pritchard said he would try to be aggressive and look at all the options on the board.
(Per wiretap)

So what would you do?

Which Prospect would you draft?
Would you keep him or trade him?
Trade up or down?

Personally, I would try to package the 6th pick with Brogdon and try to move up, or try to get a talented young player to pair up with Haliburton and keep Turner as your defensive presence.
Alternatively, draft Agbaji or Murray and move Brogdon for another pick.

Whats your move?


No one in the top 5 is trading down, so the only thing you can do with this rotten pick is use it or trade it. I don't like the way this thing has played out if the Pacers don't get Keegan Murray they might as well trade down because there is not much left after the top 5, Smith, Banchero, Holmgren, Ivey and Murray.

Trade Brogdon, maybe trade Turner and Hield as well. Get ready for a 20 win season!

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Re: So, what do we do with the 6th pick? 

Post#7 » by basketballwacko2 » Wed May 18, 2022 10:30 pm

Topofthekey wrote:In a vacuum, my preferred route is to trade Brogdon + #6 for a good young player who can join Haliburton and the rest in forming our young core

Problem is, I can't think of a suitable trade target. I can't think of a team who would give us a good young player that we like for Brogdon and #6

In terms of trading up, I think the teams picking #1-3 are all going to be very comfortable with just using their pick, so I don't think they'd trade their pick unless it's an overpay, which we shouldn't be doing

Kings at #4 is interesting. There's a legitimate chance that they'll want to trade the pick for more win-now help. I think they'd happily do something like Brogdon + #6 for #4. The question is, is there a need for Pacers to give up value to move up to #4? Unless there's someone they love, I lean towards no. Just stay at #6 and pick BPA



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Re: So, what do we do with the 6th pick? 

Post#8 » by Wizop » Wed May 18, 2022 11:27 pm

basketballwacko2 wrote: there is not much left after the top 5, Smith, Banchero, Holmgren, Ivey and Murray


Sharpe, Maturin, Sochan, Duren, and Griffin are my next 5 and I'd be happy with any of them. Would I slide lower in the top 10 to get another first? If I had to decide today, I think I'd slide before taking Murray but stay put to take Sharpe.
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Re: So, what do we do with the 6th pick? 

Post#9 » by basketballwacko2 » Wed May 18, 2022 11:37 pm

Wizop wrote:
basketballwacko2 wrote: there is not much left after the top 5, Smith, Banchero, Holmgren, Ivey and Murray


Sharpe, Maturin, Sochan, Duren, and Griffin are my next 5 and I'd be happy with any of them. Would I slide lower in the top 10 to get another first? If I had to decide today, I think I'd slide before taking Murray but stay put to take Sharpe.


Sharpe was hyped coming out of HS but didn't play a game for KY in 2021-22, now he may be great at some point and he turns 19 on May 30th. None of these guys screams "can't miss" prospect to me.

The Pacers management may not want to tank in 2022-23 but I don't think they can help it, 22 wins is what I see coming.
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Re: So, what do we do with the 6th pick? 

Post#10 » by Wizop » Thu May 19, 2022 12:00 am

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Sharpe was hyped coming out of HS but didn't play a game for KY in 2021-22, now he may be great at some point and he turns 19 on May 30th. None of these guys screams "can't miss" prospect to me.

The Pacers management may not want to tank in 2022-23 but I don't think they can help it, 22 wins is what I see coming.


I don't think there are can't miss prospects. Whether Sharpe is a good option would be determined after working him out.

I'll take the over on 22. We did 25 this year.
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Re: So, what do we do with the 6th pick? 

Post#11 » by basketballwacko2 » Thu May 19, 2022 12:20 am

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Sharpe was hyped coming out of HS but didn't play a game for KY in 2021-22, now he may be great at some point and he turns 19 on May 30th. None of these guys screams "can't miss" prospect to me.

The Pacers management may not want to tank in 2022-23 but I don't think they can help it, 22 wins is what I see coming.


I don't think there are can't miss prospects. Whether Sharpe is a good option would be determined after working him out.

I'll take the over on 22. We did 25 this year.



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Re: So, what do we do with the 6th pick? 

Post#12 » by Pacers Forever » Thu May 19, 2022 3:27 am

granger05 wrote:I feel that there is a group of 4 players (Chet, Jabari, Banchero and Ivey) that are in one tier and then Sharpe and Murray are in the next tier down. I don't feel like there's a big enough gap between the tiers that I'd want the team to give up much to move up. It also wouldn't surprise me if Murray or Sharpe moved ahead of anybody in that first group. There's plenty of time before the draft so this may not even be the obvious first six players by the time things roll around. I could see somebody else being our favorite over these guys as well where a trade back would look attractive.

I think the draft is just such a crap shoot. I assume we'll take the BPA wherever we are which I think is the right thing to do. I think the guys that look like a core for us in Hali, Turner, Duarte and maybe IJax are pretty flexible pieces that you can slot in around pretty easily. I read that Kravitz piece/interview with Pritchard on the Athletic and it read like the standard piece using the media as a mouthpiece. It was just all management buzzwords. I'm sure we'll be proactive and synergize. Basically, it didn't really say much of anything other than assuring whatever audience it was intended for that everybody is working really hard and doing all of the stuff that you (specifically, you, the internet person reading this) want them to do.

One thing I did see in that piece was that they hoped to retain Jalen Smith. I assumed it was a foregone conclusion that he was gone. I don't want to derail the discussion on the 6th pick though so I'll just say that I had hoped we'd move up, but I do feel like we're on in the last slot before a pretty big tier break so better to be on this side of things than the other. I'd be fine with any of the projected top 6. I think my preferred order would be Jabari, Ivey, Chet, Paolo, Sharpe, Murray. One of them will be there for our pick.

I agree that there’s a lot of court time upcoming for most of the prospects and the results could change front office minds and directions throughout the league. Especially on the lesser known prospects.

So teams will now be able to see up close prospects strengths and weaknesses in their game and teamwork. Also importantly how they compare in competition with other prospects solidifying whether they belong in the NBA or on a 2 way. Minds will be changing or convictions will be strengthened.
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Re: So, what do we do with the 6th pick? 

Post#13 » by Scoot McGroot » Thu May 19, 2022 1:32 pm

I’m starting to think the cost of moving up to the top 3 will be too prohibitive. At that point, maybe it might be worth trading down from 6 a little, and see if we can move that 31 up as high as possible in the meantime. Like, San Antonio has 9 and 20…that could be interesting in a trade down from 6, and then try and use 20 and 31 to move up a little into the 15 or 16 range? I’m thinking to make the kinds of moves that could bring back 2 of the caliber guys of Sochan/Eason/Branham/Liddell/Branham.

Granted, if Ivey/Sharpe, or someone else that Indy thinks could be a star falls to 6, then just make the pick.
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Re: So, what do we do with the 6th pick? 

Post#14 » by boomershadow » Thu May 19, 2022 1:57 pm

I think I want Murray.

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Post#15 » by Wizop » Thu May 19, 2022 2:22 pm

Scoot McGroot wrote:I’m starting to think the cost of moving up to the top 3 will be too prohibitive. At that point, maybe it might be worth trading down from 6 a little, and see if we can move that 31 up as high as possible in the meantime. Like, San Antonio has 9 and 20…that could be interesting in a trade down from 6, and then try and use 20 and 31 to move up a little into the 15 or 16 range? I’m thinking to make the kinds of moves that could bring back 2 of the caliber guys of Sochan/Eason/Branham/Liddell/Branham.

Granted, if Ivey/Sharpe, or someone else that Indy thinks could be a star falls to 6, then just make the pick.


The Houston pick may be in play but I'm on this page too. I'm starting to prefer Sharpe to Murray and if Murray is the last of the top 6 standing at our pick I'd be talking to the Spurs about letting them have him if Sochan is still on the board at 9.

I think there is a good chance Liddell is still there at 31. However, he did knock the physical testing out of the box yesterday. I agree getting Branham will take a higher pick but I like the options at 31. also, Branham is less of a fit if the 6 gives us Ivey or Sharpe. I think I'd try to move Brogdon and the Cavs pick and keep the 31.
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Re: So, what do we do with the 6th pick? 

Post#16 » by Topofthekey » Thu May 19, 2022 2:27 pm

I agree. I don't think it's worth it to trade up into the top 3. The top 3 teams are all rebuilding teams who would be satisfied with getting one of Holmgren or Banchero or Smith. It'll likely take an overpay for them to be willing to let go of their pick

There's no clear cut standout talent in the draft anyway, so it doesn't look like there's that big a dropoff between #3 and #6 for example

On the flip side though, this also works both ways. In a draft where there is a huge dropoff going from #3 to #6, it will be likely be next to impossible to trade up from #6 to #3. OTOH, in a draft where the dropoff isn't huge, like in this draft, the option to trade up should be available. Even if it'll likely take an overpay to do it, at least it'll be available

I can see a deal if Pacers secretly thinks there's a franchise talent available at in the top 3 that is worth the overpay

It all hinges on the work of Carlisle and team, whether they can dig deep enough and see something that other teams don't
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Post#18 » by 8305 » Fri May 20, 2022 1:32 am

I think it could be worthwhile to trade up to pick 4.
If Ivey is available at 4 I think he would be viewed as BPA. Thing is he’s a bad fit with Kings. Good chance they would rather have Murray. An exchange of pick 4 and pick 6 could get the Kings additional value and Murray. If Brogdan or value obtained for him could be packaged with pick 6 for pick 4 (Ivey) I think you do that. I think Ivey’s upside is worth it. Murray will be a nice player but, Ivey could be the best player in this draft.
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Post#19 » by Pacers Forever » Fri May 20, 2022 2:54 am

I didn’t see Ivey play but a couple of times. From reading a few general threads in here other teams fans are in love with him some more than the top 3 prospects. I saw one comment about how the Kings screwed up trading Hali and could have had him and Ivey as a Kings back court duo.

If he’s really that good I kinda find it hard for the Magic to pass on him. Houston doesn’t really need him as much as they’re even open to trading back it’s been reported. Thunder is set at guard. Sacramento already has a speedy guard in Fox. Pistons will snag him if they can to pair with Cunningham.

For the Pacers to get Ivey which I’m torn about if he’d cut into Duarte’s development would be too costly.

My first move would be to see how high of a pick we could get for Brogdon. Obviously he must be moved. I’m just not sure if the contract we’d take back to offset salary to obtain a higher draft pick is worth it. So he may have to be moved unrelated to trying for a high draft pick.

So in that case I’m all for collecting valuable assets or young experienced players and trading down or even partially out of the draft if too many teams are wanting #6.
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Re: So, what do we do with the 6th pick? 

Post#20 » by Wizop » Fri May 20, 2022 1:18 pm

Pacers Forever wrote:My first move would be to see how high of a pick we could get for Brogdon. Obviously he must be moved. I’m just not sure if the contract we’d take back to offset salary to obtain a higher draft pick is worth it. So he may have to be moved unrelated to trying for a high draft pick.


I don't see Brogdon getting us into the top 5 as anyone above us could just stay put and take Ivey or Sharpe. I do, however, think we'll try to move up for a pick somewhere in the middle of the first round.
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