It’ll be interesting to see how Turner responds next season

HurricaneDij25 · Post #1 » by **HurricaneDij25** » Sun Jul 17, 2022 5:34 am

…After the team tried to sign Deandre Ayton as his replacement.

Post #2 » by **boomershadow** » Fri Jul 29, 2022 12:04 pm

I think Turner is a professional. He can't be too mad the team was looking at other players. He is probably planning for free agency himself. After the last couple of years, he probably wants to check out greener pastures. Nothing wrong with that.

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Ruaidri · Post #3 » by **Ruaidri** » Sat Jul 30, 2022 6:02 am

Turner is in a great spot.

He is by far the most talented and experienced starter on our roster.
He knows his team has money to spend next season.
When he comes to camp, he is cleary the number 1 center and no one is ready to take over his spot.

So all he has to do, is play to the best of his abbillities, show leadership and be lucky not to get injured too badly.
If he gets 65,70 games, play his defense, put his rebounding a little bit up and get 3,4 more shots a night. He will get a bigger contract than he has now. He has the age to get a 4,5 years deal above 100m/125m.

So motivation enough I would say.

Pacers Forever · Post #4 » by **Pacers Forever** » Mon Aug 1, 2022 2:15 am

Ruaidri wrote:Turner is in a great spot.

He is by far the most talented and experienced starter on our roster.
He knows his team has money to spend next season.
When he comes to camp, he is cleary the number 1 center and no one is ready to take over his spot.

So all he has to do, is play to the best of his abbillities, show leadership and be lucky not to get injured too badly.
If he gets 65,70 games, play his defense, put his rebounding a little bit up and get 3,4 more shots a night. He will get a bigger contract than he has now. He has the age to get a 4,5 years deal above 100m/125m.

So motivation enough I would say.

Now that we know that he’s holding out to sign a big contract next season it’s a free agency season for him. As you’re saying he’s going to try and get his everything on the court to increase his worth. I don’t think Rick will let him get too crazy to the detriment of the team as we see from some stars.

Will be interesting to see if his increased effort to be more effective in the offense will boost the Pacers to a team to be reckoned with or if there’s still just a little too much youth and inexperience to contend.

basketballwacko2 · Post #5 » by **basketballwacko2** » Mon Aug 1, 2022 4:16 am

Pacers Forever wrote:
Ruaidri wrote:Turner is in a great spot.

He is by far the most talented and experienced starter on our roster.
He knows his team has money to spend next season.
When he comes to camp, he is cleary the number 1 center and no one is ready to take over his spot.

So all he has to do, is play to the best of his abbillities, show leadership and be lucky not to get injured too badly.
If he gets 65,70 games, play his defense, put his rebounding a little bit up and get 3,4 more shots a night. He will get a bigger contract than he has now. He has the age to get a 4,5 years deal above 100m/125m.

So motivation enough I would say.

Now that we know that he’s holding out to sign a big contract next season it’s a free agency season for him. As you’re saying he’s going to try and get his everything on the court to increase his worth. I don’t think Rick will let him get too crazy to the detriment of the team as we see from some stars.

Will be interesting to see if his increased effort to be more effective in the offense will boost the Pacers to a team to be reckoned with or if there’s still just a little too much youth and inexperience to contend.

If he's wanting $25 million a year with raises and he's playing really well, I can see the Pacers trading him at or near the deadline. If he is healthy and playing well there are teams that will pay a nice return for him.

Topofthekey · Post #6 » by **Topofthekey** » Mon Aug 1, 2022 6:32 am

He'll respond by having a good season. I won't be surprised if he averages a career high in points. If he wants the money, it's going to be probably the most important season of his career so far

Hypothetical scenario: suppose he averages career high in points and rebounds and is a strong contender for DPOY

Do we try to sell high and trade him by the trade deadline?

Or do we commit to trying to re-sign him in free agency?

Pacersike · Post #7 » by **Pacersike** » Tue Aug 2, 2022 7:50 pm

He said he finally numb about it.

If that is true, big things are coming, he has always acted boyish about a lot of things. Africa helped him with his mental problems and both Myles and the Pacers will benefit from it, re-signed or traded.

Post #8 » by **boomershadow** » Tue Aug 2, 2022 10:50 pm

I mean. If contract year ends up being a big motivator for him to play well, so much the better

Wizop · Post #9 » by **Wizop** » Sun Sep 18, 2022 12:05 am

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granger05 · Post #10 » by **granger05** » Fri Sep 23, 2022 5:53 pm

The Athletic has an article with one question for each team: LINK

How do the Pacers move forward with Myles Turner? Turner, who watched his team attempt to acquire Deandre Ayton this summer, is heading into the final year of his contract, and it’s incumbent upon Kevin Pritchard to move him for assets before the trading deadline — or earlier. The Pacers hoped to deal Turner to the Lakers, only to pull back when L.A. refused to include a second future first-round pick. There’s a huge risk, of course, especially if Turner gets injured, but it’s pretty clear neither side is interested in signing him to an extension to remain in Indianapolis. This is a franchise that is in full rebuild mode, and while Turner is still young, it wouldn’t appear there’s a future for him with the Pacers. They must get something in return. — Bob Kravitz

I'm not sure I feel it's imperative to move Turner. I understand the team making a run at Ayton. You don't often get a chance to land a guy that went first overall. Given that Ayton and Myles share an agent, I just find it tough to believe that this would have really rubbed him the wrong way too badly since I'm sure his agent was discussing things with him at each stage. My preference with Myles would be to extend him if possible. He's a piece that's easy to build around and it certainly seems like other teams don't value him the way that we do so I'd expect our contract number is going to be competitive.

There have been these notes about us not wanting to extend him or him not wanting to be extended, but I feel like all of that has come from Kravitz and I don't know how seriously to take it. I think Haliburton and Turner give you two nice pieces that can play two way basketball in the modern NBA. We're missing a star, but we're not going to get that moving Turner and hoarding cap space probably isn't our route either since we're not a destination city.

Wizop · Post #11 » by **Wizop** » Fri Sep 23, 2022 6:00 pm

granger05 wrote:There have been these notes about us not wanting to extend him or him not wanting to be extended, but I feel like all of that has come from Kravitz and I don't know how seriously to take it

I think he's just wrong. I think the Pacers do want to extend him but Turner wants to test the market.

Topofthekey · Post #12 » by **Topofthekey** » Sat Sep 24, 2022 8:41 pm

Other than Jokic and Embiid, Turner will likely remain among the best C playing in the NBA in the next 2 or 3 years

Pacers shouldn't be afraid to bid for him in the FA market. Not sure how much he's going to command as a free agent, but if it's something around $120-140m over 4 years, Pacers should just go ahead and offer it to him, especially if they can front load it

Wizop · Post #13 » by **Wizop** » Sat Sep 24, 2022 8:52 pm

Topofthekey wrote: but if it's something around $120-140m over 4 years, Pacers should just go ahead and offer it to him, especially if they can front load it

That's higher than I'd offer now but if he stays healthy all year that could happen.

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Post #14 » by **boomershadow** » Sun Sep 25, 2022 2:53 pm

It'll be very interesting to see how Turner plays with Haliburton. I've been saying the same thing for years with regards to Turner. His biggest offensive issue isn't that he can't score, it's that he can't create his own shot.

Hopefully with Haliburton we shall see him getting involved more.

Post #15 » by **Scoot McGroot** » Sun Sep 25, 2022 3:05 pm

boomershadow wrote:It'll be very interesting to see how Turner plays with Haliburton. I've been saying the same thing for years with regards to Turner. His biggest offensive issue isn't that he can't score, it's that he can't create his own shot.

Hopefully with Haliburton we shall see him getting involved more.

To be fair, that’s true for 75%ish of players in the nba. :dontknow:

Topofthekey · Post #16 » by **Topofthekey** » Sun Sep 25, 2022 8:44 pm

I don't know. I think scoring just isn't in his DNA

He gets plenty of open-ish looks behind the 3pt line. But he doesn't shoot them with confidence

I think at this point he is more or less what he is. A DPOY level rim protector who contributes 12-14 PPG on offense

He has a very smooth looking shot though, and he's tall enough to shoot over most defenders

He needs to watch more Dirk Nowitzki tapes and develop that fadeaway jumpshot

Post #17 » by **Scoot McGroot** » Mon Sep 26, 2022 3:01 pm

Read on Twitter

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Turner addressing the Ayton stuff for the “only time this season”.

Said he couldn’t address any possible extension talks or if he would consider an extension.

granger05 · Post #18 » by **granger05** » Tue Sep 27, 2022 3:54 pm

New article on the Athletic: LINK, but there's a paywall

So, what's Kravitz's deal? I feel like he's really the one pushing the Turner has to be traded narrative.

heading into his eighth season, both sides have made it clear the relationship is not going to last.

Is he a mouthpiece for management? Is he just making an educated guess? It just seems like he's continuously beating this drum and while stories about Turner getting traded crop up here and there...have they always been from Kravitz and I just wasn't noticing?

Wizop · Post #19 » by **Wizop** » Tue Sep 27, 2022 4:10 pm

granger05 wrote:New article on the Athletic...So, what's Kravitz's deal? I feel like he's really the one pushing the Turner has to be traded narrative.

I just posted a comment on Bob's article saying he used up his prediction luck when he picked the Colts over the Chiefs. I think he's projecting no extension wrongly into no 2023 deal. I don't think they're afraid of "losing him for nothing." I see the best case scenario as Myles winning his bet on himself and earning the raise he wants.

granger05 · Post #20 » by **granger05** » Tue Sep 27, 2022 4:54 pm

Wizop wrote:I just posted a comment on Bob's article saying he used up his prediction luck when he picked the Colts over the Chiefs.

I read through the comments on the article when I was making my post and I very nearly quoted that because it amused me. I didn't realize that was you. Too bad, missed opportunity.

Can some capologist type breakdown what the options for Turner are. I understand his desire to test free agency. That makes perfect sense to me. I also have a sense that we might value him just as much as anybody when it comes to a contract. What are the max values that we could hit with an extension? I understand there's some other option to up his contract prior to extending since we have cap space, but I haven't seen that detailed.

I'd like to see what the max numbers we could offer RIGHT NOW would be just to have a sense of what he may be gambling against. Has there been any reporting about whether we've actually offered an extension or where that stands?