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So with Haliburton and Siakam signed to big money and other guys sighed to 3 year deals like Nembhard, Toppin, and Nesmith is there any way the Pacers can sign Turner? Or do they need to look at a trade? When and how would they pull this off, before the season or by the deadline?

I have the Pacers at $157.7 million for 2025-26 that's without Turner, McConnell, and Jackson and not counting their 2025 #1 pick. Clearly some things will have to change or this team will be in the tax.

So who gets moved? Do you trade Turner and get a younger less expensive center? Or do you move other guys and try to keep Turner?

I've just been assuming he leaves at the end of this contract.

I have Turner staying and the team listening to offers for Nembhard (and Nesmith) when he becomes eligible to be traded in January.

I have Obi Toppin as the primary player to be traded.

Scoot McGroot wrote:I have Obi Toppin as the primary player to be traded.

it's certainly possible that Furphy, Walker, or Freeman will make Toppin expendable but my money remains on trading Nembhard to a team with cap space or an exemption that wants him to start at the point for them. my dream trade is to San Antonio.

Wizop wrote:........my dream trade is to San Antonio.

What, or who, would you hope for in return?

Tom White wrote:

Wizop wrote:........my dream trade is to San Antonio.

What, or who, would you hope for in return?

Sochan

Wizop wrote:

Scoot McGroot wrote:I have Obi Toppin as the primary player to be traded.

it's certainly possible that Furphy, Walker, or Freeman will make Toppin expendable but my money remains on trading Nembhard to a team with cap space or an exemption that wants him to start at the point for them. my dream trade is to San Antonio.

The Spurs have a box of assets to work from they also have 39 year old Chris Paul at pg. He's been known to have some injuries. Trading Hembhard would be difficult this season with his extension set to start next season. I could see the Spurs wanting him.

I'd like to see Turner be resigned but with the guys currently signed and the depth unless there is some kind of deal moving Hembhard and or Toppin I could see Turner being moved. Someone said let him walk, but we know he has value a sweet shooting big man who blocks about 2 shots per game has to be worth something. It seems that Turner gets no respect for what he does and does well, maybe he's the Rodney Dangerfield of the NBA.

Wizop wrote:

Tom White wrote:

Wizop wrote:........my dream trade is to San Antonio.

What, or who, would you hope for in return?

Sochan

That would be a dream trade, do you have Sochan as a SF? They have Harrison Barnes and Keldon Johnson at SF as well. Clearly Sochan would be the one I'd want.

basketballwacko2 wrote:

Wizop wrote:

Tom White wrote:
What, or who, would you hope for in return?

Sochan

That would be a dream trade, do you have Sochan as a SF? They have Harrison Barnes and Keldon Johnson at SF as well. Clearly Sochan would be the one I'd want.

Yes, I have him as a SF for us. I'd give up Nembhard and Nesmith to get him. Nembhard can't be traded until January right when we will be with the Spurs in Paris.

I have mixed feelings. If 1-4 positions become so good together that they can carry the load offensively then Turner becomes expendable since all you need at the 5 position is a defensive stopper and rebounder starting and at backup 5.

On the other hand I like Turner’s ability to defend the rim and his offensive ability. I think he’s still in a maturing process thus a reason to see if he, Siakam, and Tyrese can lead the team even deeper into the playoffs.

I can live with keeping Turner if the players in the 2 and 3 positions can be affordable and can mature quickly. A lot of potential in our youth and I think this upcoming season will determine who will go forward as Pacers.

It’s a Huge season upcoming for Nesmith, Nembhard, Toppin, and Mathurin to show who can make the step up to a next level integral part of a perennial playoff organization. I think the Turner decision depends on if these players can step up and make him expendable or if 1 or more of these players become trade assets and Myles remains.

Wizop wrote:

basketballwacko2 wrote:

Wizop wrote:
Sochan

That would be a dream trade, do you have Sochan as a SF? They have Harrison Barnes and Keldon Johnson at SF as well. Clearly Sochan would be the one I'd want.

Yes, I have him as a SF for us. I'd give up Nembhard and Nesmith to get him. Nembhard can't be traded until January right when we will be with the Spurs in Paris.

So correct me if I'm wrong on Nembhard since he has been extended for trading once he becomes available to trade you have to average this seasons cap hit with next seasons number right. So $2.01 plus $18.1 million is an average of $10.06 million for trading purposes. If it's Nembhard and Nesmith for Sochan and ?? $21 million roughly going out with $5.58 million coming back. What else does SAS put in the deal to make it work?

My issue with this trade is that Nesmith and Nembhard are two of the best defenders the Pacers have.

basketballwacko2 wrote:

Wizop wrote:

basketballwacko2 wrote:
That would be a dream trade, do you have Sochan as a SF? They have Harrison Barnes and Keldon Johnson at SF as well. Clearly Sochan would be the one I'd want.

Yes, I have him as a SF for us. I'd give up Nembhard and Nesmith to get him. Nembhard can't be traded until January right when we will be with the Spurs in Paris.

So correct me if I'm wrong on Nembhard since he has been extended for trading once he becomes available to trade you have to average this seasons cap hit with next seasons number right. So $2.01 plus $18.1 million is an average of $10.06 million for trading purposes. If it's Nembhard and Nesmith for Sochan and ?? $21 million roughly going out with $5.58 million coming back. What else does SAS put in the deal to make it work?

My issue with this trade is that Nesmith and Nembhard are two of the best defenders the Pacers have.

Spotrac hasn't identified Nembhard as having a 'poison pill' contract. But, If I read between the lines on a contract like his, then I think it should apply? If it does,.. I believe, it would be the total value of his extension + the year he has left on this contract, then divide by the total number of years on the extension + the year left on his old contract. So 58,650,480 on his extension + 2,019,699 from his last year on this contract = 60,670,179 / 4 (3 years on the extension + 1 year on current) = 15,167,545.

Scoot is the right?

basketballwacko2 wrote:

Wizop wrote:

Scoot McGroot wrote:I have Obi Toppin as the primary player to be traded.

it's certainly possible that Furphy, Walker, or Freeman will make Toppin expendable but my money remains on trading Nembhard to a team with cap space or an exemption that wants him to start at the point for them. my dream trade is to San Antonio.

The Spurs have a box of assets to work from they also have 39 year old Chris Paul at pg. He's been known to have some injuries. Trading Hembhard would be difficult this season with his extension set to start next season. I could see the Spurs wanting him.

I'd like to see Turner be resigned but with the guys currently signed and the depth unless there is some kind of deal moving Hembhard and or Toppin I could see Turner being moved. Someone said let him walk, but we know he has value a sweet shooting big man who blocks about 2 shots per game has to be worth something. It seems that Turner gets no respect for what he does and does well, maybe he's the Rodney Dangerfield of the NBA.

Agree with you on Sochan,... he does have the 'kit' we seem to want as a big forward capable of defending big forwards. He should also fit very, VERY well in an up tempo passing game and a switching defense. (Much better than he fits in Pops game in SA.) I would have him as a 3 as well. The only thing He would need to go from a combo-forward to the starter is a consistent 3. If we are playing Pascal, the other forward needs to be a threat to shoot. (it's worth a & side note that he did play at La Lumiere in La Porte so we could claim him as an Indiana Schoolboy! )

That is the reason that I don't think Turner gets traded. At the moment,... our team is built around having a player like turner who can face up & shoot the 3 on offense,... and defend the rim on defense. Yeah,.. he needs to work on rebounding. He said it himself in his post season interview & 3 podcasts this summer. But with Pascal playing the post up on offense, you can't have someone else deep in the paint, clogging the area, all the time. You need a center like Myles for the whole team to click on both ends,... if you scan the 24-25 depth charts on hoopshype,... there just aren't any centers who can bring the mix like Myles,... & the ones that could, aren't available or affordable,... usually both.

Also, reading between the lines,... it seems the relationship between Myles, the team, & the FO is the best it's been. for me,... right now, it feels like FA gives us a better picture of what Myles is really worth, & we resign him to something on the lower end of his actual value. Team gets a bit of break on the $'s,... he gets paid in line with his value,.. and gets to stay in a place that really values him & to use his own words,... 'where he is happy & it has become a second home'.

Wizop wrote:

Scoot McGroot wrote:I have Obi Toppin as the primary player to be traded.

it's certainly possible that Furphy, Walker, or Freeman will make Toppin expendable but my money remains on trading Nembhard to a team with cap space or an exemption that wants him to start at the point for them. my dream trade is to San Antonio.

If a trade happens,... I think it will,... I could see Nembhard, Toppin, and one of Walker or Mathurin, in some combination being possibilities? If it were all 3,... I would be expecting someone all star, near all star in return like a Scottie Barnes,... (yes, that is NOT going to happen),... but that does give us some combinations that should interest a lot of teams,... and a fairly wide scope of value to measure against a potential return?

Would I trade a Nembhard & Walker to SA for Sochan? Yeah,.. probably,.. SA might have to throw in a pick, but I could see it? Could also see the possibilities of a number of 3 team trades, consolidating our roster, around a group like this? Once we get a picture of how these guys fit this year,... (expecting a jump from Benn, & a smaller improvement from Jarace),... I think the FO will do right by us.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10131907-1-question-still-facing-every-nba-team-ahead-of-2024-25-season

Grant Hughes
August 24, 2024

Indiana Pacers: Are Bennedict Mathurin and Jarace Walker Trade Chips?

The Indiana Pacers certainly wouldn't undo the Pascal Siakam trade (and subsequent signing), and they're surely glad Andrew Nembhard developed into a starting-caliber guard during his second season.

Those two are locked into high-leverage roles ahead of 2024-25, which leaves Jarace Walker and Bennedict Mathurin, two recent lottery selections, feeling the squeeze.

Walker barely played as a rookie, making it difficult to project his future value. Clarity may not come any time soon, as the Pacers also re-signed forward Obi Toppin after maxing out Siakam on a four-year contract. Walker doesn't really fit next to either of them.

Mathurin was an elite bench scorer in 2022-23, averaging 16.7 points, showing exceptional foul-drawing craft for a player so young and finishing fourth in Rookie of the Year voting. But Nembhard is the more complete player, better passer, superior defender and more sensible fit next to Tyrese Haliburton. That means Mathurin is ticketed for sixth-man duties at best. Even if his skill set suggests that should ultimately be his role, it's worth wondering whether he'll bristle at being marginalized so early in his career.

Indy made the Eastern Conference Finals last year and has two players on max contracts. This is no longer a rebuild. So are Walker and Mathurin going to somehow develop quickly without seeing the floor very much, or should they be moved for win-now players before their value declines?

JMaster5K wrote:

basketballwacko2 wrote:

Wizop wrote:
Yes, I have him as a SF for us. I'd give up Nembhard and Nesmith to get him. Nembhard can't be traded until January right when we will be with the Spurs in Paris.

So correct me if I'm wrong on Nembhard since he has been extended for trading once he becomes available to trade you have to average this seasons cap hit with next seasons number right. So $2.01 plus $18.1 million is an average of $10.06 million for trading purposes. If it's Nembhard and Nesmith for Sochan and ?? $21 million roughly going out with $5.58 million coming back. What else does SAS put in the deal to make it work?

My issue with this trade is that Nesmith and Nembhard are two of the best defenders the Pacers have.

Spotrac hasn't identified Nembhard as having a 'poison pill' contract. But, If I read between the lines on a contract like his, then I think it should apply? If it does,.. I believe, it would be the total value of his extension + the year he has left on this contract, then divide by the total number of years on the extension + the year left on his old contract. So 58,650,480 on his extension + 2,019,699 from his last year on this contract = 60,670,179 / 4 (3 years on the extension + 1 year on current) = 15,167,545.

Scoot is the right?

Andrew a Nembhard is neither Poison Pill Provision nor Base Year Compensation because he was a second round pick. Those restrictions apply solely to first round picks.

JMaster5K wrote:https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10131907-1-question-still-facing-every-nba-team-ahead-of-2024-25-season

Grant Hughes
August 24, 2024

Indiana Pacers: Are Bennedict Mathurin and Jarace Walker Trade Chips?

The Indiana Pacers certainly wouldn't undo the Pascal Siakam trade (and subsequent signing), and they're surely glad Andrew Nembhard developed into a starting-caliber guard during his second season.

Those two are locked into high-leverage roles ahead of 2024-25, which leaves Jarace Walker and Bennedict Mathurin, two recent lottery selections, feeling the squeeze.

Walker barely played as a rookie, making it difficult to project his future value. Clarity may not come any time soon, as the Pacers also re-signed forward Obi Toppin after maxing out Siakam on a four-year contract. Walker doesn't really fit next to either of them.

Mathurin was an elite bench scorer in 2022-23, averaging 16.7 points, showing exceptional foul-drawing craft for a player so young and finishing fourth in Rookie of the Year voting. But Nembhard is the more complete player, better passer, superior defender and more sensible fit next to Tyrese Haliburton. That means Mathurin is ticketed for sixth-man duties at best. Even if his skill set suggests that should ultimately be his role, it's worth wondering whether he'll bristle at being marginalized so early in his career.

Indy made the Eastern Conference Finals last year and has two players on max contracts. This is no longer a rebuild. So are Walker and Mathurin going to somehow develop quickly without seeing the floor very much, or should they be moved for win-now players before their value declines?

Any writer who needs that Indy should trade Walker because they re signed Toppin should be ignored. And maybe catch some rotten tomatoes.

Big forwards are STUPID expensive to acquire, if you’re ever even able to. If you have one, you need to ride it through to the end, especially if they have some natural talent. Walker specifically is under contract for 3 more seasons. Plenty of time.


I absolutely yield that Walker or Mathurin should be made available in trade for major upgrades. But Obi Toppin re signing should hold absolutely zero impact on that decision whatsoever.

basketballwacko2 wrote:So correct me if I'm wrong on Nembhard since he has been extended for trading once he becomes available to trade you have to average this seasons cap hit with next seasons number right. So $2.01 plus $18.1 million is an average of $10.06 million for trading purposes. If it's Nembhard and Nesmith for Sochan and ?? $21 million roughly going out with $5.58 million coming back. What else does SAS put in the deal to make it work?

I'm assuming any trade will be with a team with cap room or an exemption so that we can give more than we receive. I think the Spurs qualify but I could be wrong.

Wizop wrote:

basketballwacko2 wrote:So correct me if I'm wrong on Nembhard since he has been extended for trading once he becomes available to trade you have to average this seasons cap hit with next seasons number right. So $2.01 plus $18.1 million is an average of $10.06 million for trading purposes. If it's Nembhard and Nesmith for Sochan and ?? $21 million roughly going out with $5.58 million coming back. What else does SAS put in the deal to make it work?

I'm assuming any trade will be with a team with cap room or an exemption so that we can give more than we receive. I think the Spurs qualify but I could be wrong.

Detroit is the only team currently below the salary cap.