J.O. For Carter - Falls Through?

[90sB-BallRocked]

http://www.northjersey.com/sports/nets/13927772.html


Wow, this one is tough to get a handle on. If we could replace Maglore with Sean Williams , I would be all for it. The problem I see is we are already a "soft" team and now your talking about one of the softest players in the league. It is nice to know that Bird is apparently realizing this team is garbage and needs an overhaul. Im still pissed he missed the boat on Bynum. We did not need Odom , and could have had Bynum before he started playing well, now he is basically untouchable, and JO's stock has severely declined

Thanks Bird

[ajizzle]

Wow, great timing... Apparently, great minds think alike.

[90sB-BallRocked]

LOl, what up man?

It is nice to know that we apparently realize we are going no where and at least open to trades

[FreeRon]

That statement doesn't make sense. We RENEWED trade talks. I agree that we're not going very far with the team we have now, but that doesn't mean we've just now realized that. We knew in the offseason this wasn't a championship calibre team, we just didn't find a deal we like. Now the Nets are talking, and I actually like this deal, especially considering Foster might leave in the offseason and this deal might put Murphy's butt on the bench for a while.

[notque]

If it helps at all, I rarely make trades in nba2k, and I made two.

Before the last GS trade, For Dunleavy, Murphy, and Diogu.

And JO for VC.

I want this trade. Very much. We were so good after I traded for VC I quit the season because I thought it wasn't fair...

Please, oh please, oh please, oh please.

[pacerspsycho]

I REALLY like this trade. I do not think it will make us a much better team this year, but VC would put some people in Conseco, unlike Jermaine. I would do that straight up, personally. But then add in Marcus Williams and we have our PG of the future. Magloire we could let go in the offseason if we wanted, or if he was good resign him. While his $4 million contract won't put us under the cap when up, it frees up that much $ to use with the MLE to sign a player we actually could use.

[count55]

While I don't particularly like the players from Jersey, and I'll never actually be a VC fan, it does seem like a lot of value for JO at this point.

I seriously question why New Jersey would do this, though.

[pacerspsycho]

While I don't particularly like the players from Jersey, and I'll never actually be a VC fan, it does seem like a lot of value for JO at this point.

I seriously question why New Jersey would do this, though.

Yeah, I have no clue why NJ would do it,but if they would, that'd be sweet.

[90sB-BallRocked]

NJ wants to break up the "big 3" , plus they now they will n ever compete without an inside presence. JO allows them to have somebody to bang with the KG's of the world

[jeremy1215]

VC, Jamaal Magliore, and Boki Nachbar for JO? I like that deal, it gets us a shooter, and a real SG. Playoffs baby.

Tinsley/Diener
Carter/Rush
Granger/Daniels
Dunleavy/Nachbar
Magliore/Murphy/Foster

That is a great small ball lineup. Nachbar isn't a real PF, but neither is Dunleavy and he is better than Williams right now.

[jeremy1215]

How about this too.

We get:

Marcus Williams
Carter
Collins
Magliore

For:

JO
Tinsley


We trade bad contracts with Tinsley for Collins, but they get a great backup for Kidd, and we get a young PG for the future. Collins is an expiring next year.


Williams/Diener
Carter/Rush
Granger/Daniels
Dunleavy/Williams
Magliore/Murphy/Foster

[Pacersike]

I like it. Not so much because I like the players that are coming back, but more because it is good value.

But if it were up to me, I would offer them Rush to get a younger big(Boone or Sean; not Krstic because he'll need to be resigned) in stead of Magloire.

Rush to give them a decent starting SG and Magloire can be the big next to JO.

[CableKC]

Knowing what we know now about JONeal....if we had the chance to get Sean Williams and some equivelant player to RJeff ( from a 3rd team ) for JONeal but the cost was Jason Collins....then we made a mistake.

The key would have been to get a young PF prospect that we could groom for the future in Sean Williams while getting a very decent player in return ( from a 3rd team ) for RJeff.

I would easily prefer Krstic over Collins.....but Collins has a contract that comes off the book the next season. Although someone will have to calculate whether we hit the Luxury tax or not.....the cost isn't that great.

Based off of this....it looks like TPTB are looking to cut salary for next season. For me.....assuming that we don't pay luxury tax next season.....any contracts that come off after the 2008-2009 season is acceptable. At worst, we trade the player next season as an expiring contract ( which we can get something of value for ) and if it's not traded....it comes off the books in the 2009/2010 season...when we need the cap relief for resigning Granger.

[jeremy1215]

Pacersike were you talking about my trade proposal or just the rumor in general? I would love to dump Tinsley in the deal and groom Williams and Diener to be our point guard rotation for the next few years.

[ajizzle]

VC next to Danny, we could be talking about at least 15 FTAs a night between the both of them, if not more. What would the SL be now?

Tinsley/M.Williams/Diener
Carter/Rush
Granger/Daniels
Dunleavy/S.Williams/Diogu
Foster/Murphy/Magloire/Harrison

That's why I'd like to get either Josh Boone or Sean Williams to help inside. We know Magloire would probably be gone, Foster may leave too, Harrison could be gone... we need another big from NJ.

Overall tho, a basic VC for JO swap is good. We have to pay Vince a tad longer than I'd like, but he does put butts in the seats, and we are still a small market. Make it happen, Larry.

[JarrettJackSG]

From what I heard, Kidd wants an inside presence, and he wants one now.

This could do it. We are not going to get rid of JT in this trade, and I for one would be thrilled to see JT setting up VC all the time.

Besides, we get Marcus in this trade. Risky, but gives us someone better than our backup PG's atm, and someone who has more upside than the rest of our pgs and could develop into at least a 20 minute a night backup.

[CableKC]

That statement doesn't make sense. We RENEWED trade talks. I agree that We're not going very far with the team We have now, but that doesn't mean We've just now realized that. We knew in the offseason this wasn't a championship calibre team, We just didn't find a deal We like. Now the Nets are talking, and I actually like this deal, especially considering Foster might leave in the offseason and this deal might put Murphy's butt on the bench for a while.

Ahhh...I see the flaw in your post. "We", as in us Pacer fans, knew that we wouldn't get far with what we had.....but not TPTB. I think that TPTB honestly thought that they had a good enough team built around JONeal to "simply make the Playoffs"....which I think is their primary goal this season.

The possiblilility that TPTB now realizes that we just aren't that good and that we have players that simply does not fit this team does not surprise me one bit. [/b]

[jeremy1215]

Who would the Nets have at point guard behind Kidd? This would be a great opportunity to dump Tinsley. Marcus Williams would be a good starter for the year, and Tinsley just plain hurts this team and would take shots from Carter and Dunleavy. Granger would need shots too. This team would be loaded, and we don't need shoot first Tinsley to have one of them nights where he just wants to throw the ball off the rim.

[CableKC]

VC next to Danny, we could be talking about at least 15 FTAs a night between the both of them, if not more. What would the SL be now?

Tinsley/M.Williams/Diener
Carter/Rush
Granger/Daniels
Dunleavy/S.Williams/Diogu
Foster/Murphy/Magloire/Harrison

That's why I'd like to get either Josh Boone or Sean Williams to help inside. We know Magloire would probably be gone, Foster may leave too, Harrison could be gone... we need another big from NJ.

Overall tho, a basic VC for JO swap is good. We have to pay Vince a tad longer than I'd like, but he does put butts in the seats, and we are still a small market. Make it happen, Larry.

I think that TPTB want to cut salary for next season....that's why they want an Expiring Contract and ( according to the rumor ) why they wanted Krstic ( for obvious reasons ) and didn't want Collins 12 mil contract ( which I have no problem with ) when they initially talked earlier in the offseason.[/b]

[fdefore]

VC next to Danny, we could be talking about at least 15 FTAs a night between the both of them, if not more. What would the SL be now?

Tinsley/M.Williams/Diener
Carter/Rush
Granger/Daniels
Dunleavy/S.Williams/Diogu
Foster/Murphy/Magloire/Harrison

That's why I'd like to get either Josh Boone or Sean Williams to help inside. We know Magloire would probably be gone, Foster may leave too, Harrison could be gone... we need another big from NJ.

Overall tho, a basic VC for JO swap is good. We have to pay Vince a tad longer than I'd like, but he does put butts in the seats, and we are still a small market. Make it happen, Larry.

i mentioned this in the trade thread but i don't know if i trust sean williams and his baggage (i think keon clark/eddie griffin). but i like boone, has a jeff foster quality to him. to get both he and m.williams (i'm actually not that high on m.williams but given he is on a rookie deal, i think it'd be low-risk) we'd probably have to add in diogu.


PACERS IN: Carter, Boone, M.Williams, Magloire
NETS IN: O'Neal, Owens, Diogu

i'd hesitate because diogu could be a sweetener in moving tinsley or murphy. but i'd consider it.