Jamaal Tinsley

[PatrickJNYC]

Is he in the dog house or injured ? I really think he's underrated like Hedo Turkeglu who's finally having an all star year. Will the Pacers stick with Jamaal who will be 30 years old in February or ship him for a prospect like when you did Great job by fleecing Portland by getting Jermaine O'Neal.

Hope to see Tinsley play soon, he's from Brooklyn, like me.

[bballpacen]

I would love to "fleece" some one and get any kind of prospect for JT, let alone one that ends up like JO. But that wont happen....

[Scoot McGroot]

Tinsley's talent is always swept under the rug because he always seems to take himself out of games, or put himself in the doghouse with the coach, or he's injured.


Talent has never been an issue. Preparedness and focus always have been.

[lunarblues]

would indiana be interested in trading with atlanta. we could use tinsley and you could use energy off your bench in childress. (childress is a RFA so you could SnT him for better prospects). and zaza is a cheap big who would probably do better with a change of scenery.

Change in Team Outlook: -2.3 ppg, -3.5 rpg, and +7.1 apg.
Incoming Players
Jamaal Tinsley
6-1 PG from Iowa State
12.5 ppg, 3.9 rpg, 8.6 apg in 34.2 minutes
Marquis Daniels
6-5 SG from Auburn
8.2 ppg, 2.6 rpg, 2.0 apg in 19.9 minutes
Outgoing Players
Tyronn Lue
6-0 PG from Nebraska
6.4 ppg, 1.1 rpg, 1.8 apg in 16.4 minutes
Josh Childress
6-8 SG / SF from Stanford
11.4 ppg, 5.1 rpg, 1.3 apg in 29.6 minutes
Zaza Pachulia
6-11 C / C from Georgia (Foreign)
5.2 ppg, 3.8 rpg, 0.4 apg in 15.2 minutes

Indiana Trade Breakdown
Change in Team Outlook: +2.3 ppg, +3.5 rpg, and -7.1 apg.
Incoming Players
Tyronn Lue
6-0 PG from Nebraska
6.4 ppg, 1.1 rpg, 1.8 apg in 16.4 minutes
Josh Childress
6-8 SG / SF from Stanford
11.4 ppg, 5.1 rpg, 1.3 apg in 29.6 minutes
Zaza Pachulia
6-11 C / C from Georgia (Foreign)
5.2 ppg, 3.8 rpg, 0.4 apg in 15.2 minutes
Outgoing Players
Jamaal Tinsley
6-1 PG from Iowa State
12.5 ppg, 3.9 rpg, 8.6 apg in 34.2 minutes
Marquis Daniels
6-5 SG from Auburn
8.2 ppg, 2.6 rpg, 2.0 apg in 19.9 minutes

[PacerGuy]

would indiana be interested in trading with atlanta. we could use tinsley and you could use energy off your bench in childress. (childress is a RFA so you could SnT him for better prospects). and zaza is a cheap big who would probably do better with a change of scenery.

Change in Team Outlook: -2.3 ppg, -3.5 rpg, and +7.1 apg.
Incoming Players
Jamaal Tinsley
6-1 PG from Iowa State
12.5 ppg, 3.9 rpg, 8.6 apg in 34.2 minutes
Marquis Daniels
6-5 SG from Auburn
8.2 ppg, 2.6 rpg, 2.0 apg in 19.9 minutes
Outgoing Players
Tyronn Lue
6-0 PG from Nebraska
6.4 ppg, 1.1 rpg, 1.8 apg in 16.4 minutes
Josh Childress
6-8 SG / SF from Stanford
11.4 ppg, 5.1 rpg, 1.3 apg in 29.6 minutes
Zaza Pachulia
6-11 C / C from Georgia (Foreign)
5.2 ppg, 3.8 rpg, 0.4 apg in 15.2 minutes

Indiana Trade Breakdown
Change in Team Outlook: +2.3 ppg, +3.5 rpg, and -7.1 apg.
Incoming Players
Tyronn Lue
6-0 PG from Nebraska
6.4 ppg, 1.1 rpg, 1.8 apg in 16.4 minutes
Josh Childress
6-8 SG / SF from Stanford
11.4 ppg, 5.1 rpg, 1.3 apg in 29.6 minutes
Zaza Pachulia
6-11 C / C from Georgia (Foreign)
5.2 ppg, 3.8 rpg, 0.4 apg in 15.2 minutes
Outgoing Players
Jamaal Tinsley
6-1 PG from Iowa State
12.5 ppg, 3.9 rpg, 8.6 apg in 34.2 minutes
Marquis Daniels
6-5 SG from Auburn
8.2 ppg, 2.6 rpg, 2.0 apg in 19.9 minutes

Like in a a Don Johnson song.... "HEARTBEAT!!!"

[JazzItUp13]

Tinsley is so underrated by the fans. Sure he doesn't always make the best decisions but he's a truely gifted passer with amazing handles and know's how to create his own shot (when he wants to)...

[PacerGuy]

Tinsley is so underrated by the fans. Sure he doesn't always make the best decisions but he's a truely gifted passer with amazing handles and know's how to create his own shot (when he wants to)...

He creates plenty of shots alright: from local Bars & Strip Clubs!!!
Under-rated - try R-Rated!
(Where id Tony Bruno & his: "I'm so Done With" when you need it.......?)

[xxSnEaKyPxx]

Tinsley has become a really good player for the Pacers. His off the court issues and his ego is what puts him in the dog house. If he never got in trouble off the court, and would realize he is not meant to be a scorer, then he would be an All-Star easily.

[Scoot McGroot]

Tinsley and Daniels for Childress, Pachulia, and Lue? Hell yeah!! I'd do that in a second.

However, I feel like we'd have to take on a bad contract if we're giving up Tinsley and getting Childress. Pachulia and Lue are both serviceable as well, and expiring. That's a damned good deal for the Pacers. Not sure I see the incentive for Atlanta in that deal though.

[xxSnEaKyPxx]

Tinsley and Daniels for Childress, Pachulia, and Lue? Hell yeah!! I'd do that in a second.

However, I feel like we'd have to take on a bad contract if we're giving up Tinsley and getting Childress. Pachulia and Lue are both serviceable as well, and expiring. That's a damned good deal for the Pacers. Not sure I see the incentive for Atlanta in that deal though.

Atlanta needs a solid PG.

Honestly, I'm not sure I would want this deal though. Childress does nothing for us. Lue wouldn't be a great starting PG, Pachulia is a slower version of Murphy(might be wrong, but from what I have seen he shoots jump shots). I don't know, I just don't see the point in trading our starting PG(whos played well this year) and our 6th man for two more bench players and a backup quality PG.

[ajizzle]

^Two words: CAP SPACE!!!

[Scoot McGroot]

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Atlanta needs a solid PG.

Honestly, I'm not sure I would want this deal though. Childress does nothing for us. Lue wouldn't be a great starting PG, Pachulia is a slower version of Murphy(might be wrong, but from what I have seen he shoots jump shots). I don't know, I just don't see the point in trading our starting PG(whos played well this year) and our 6th man for two more bench players and a backup quality PG.

Since when has Tinsley been a solid, reliable PG?


This deal is tremendous for Indy. Childress could be the SG of the future here in Indy, and would probably challenge Dunleavy for a ton of minutes and really push Rush. I, for one, feel that Rush will not re-sign with us this off-season and is going to go to his preferred destination after he helped him back in the NBA. No hard feelings, it happens. Childress could handle the SG spot long term and would be a great complement to Granger.

Lue is expiring, and is a very serviceable PG for the rest of the season to platoon with Diener and Owens until we can find a better solution, long term.

Pachulia is a very serviceable center and is more like a Jeff Foster, but with a better jump shot. He's exactly between a Jeff Foster and a Troy Murphy; no range out to 3, but can defend centers, and pick up rebounds as well.



The main incentive is to get true players at positions of need, and to clear Tinsley's salary off the books at the end of the year, with the ability to pick up a solid young SG/SF (more of a SG) in Josh Childress.



This is a tremendous deal for Indy, especially if you're like me and feel that Tinsley is NOT going to lead the Pacers anywhere and you're just looking for a way to sell high on Tinsley.


I'd also look to sell high on Dunleavy. He's playing very well, and might be coming into his own in this league, but a guy like Childress could really replace him pretty well and at a much lower cost. But I'm ok with keeping Dunleavy.


Now, Murphy. I'd move him for anything close to an expiring right now.

[IndyPacers67]

Sign me up for Childress. Josh reminds me of Andrei Kirilenko, he's be an outstanding player for JOB. I'd do this deal so fast, and I'm a big Marquis fan.

[fdefore]

Since when has Tinsley been a solid, reliable PG?

truly but when compared with lue, aj, speedy and acie tinsley looks like death and taxes. you take on tinsley for a couple seasons and let acie grow more into the role.

This deal is tremendous for Indy. Childress could be the SG of the future here in Indy, and would probably challenge Dunleavy for a ton of minutes and really push Rush. I, for one, feel that Rush will not re-sign with us this off-season and is going to go to his preferred destination after he helped him back in the NBA. No hard feelings, it happens. Childress could handle the SG spot long term and would be a great complement to Granger.

really? maybe i haven't watched enough of childress' game.

Lue is expiring, and is a very serviceable PG for the rest of the season to platoon with Diener and Owens until we can find a better solution, long term.

he can defend and shoot. he'll do.

Pachulia is a very serviceable center and is more like a Jeff Foster, but with a better jump shot. He's exactly between a Jeff Foster and a Troy Murphy; no range out to 3, but can defend centers, and pick up rebounds as well.

hadn't really thought about it that way but the dude is sorta a hybrid of the two. not going to make an allstar team, not a lockdown defender and not an elite scorer but enough of both to make sense.

The main incentive is to get true players at positions of need, and to clear Tinsley's salary off the books at the end of the year, with the ability to pick up a solid young SG/SF (more of a SG) in Josh Childress.

This is a tremendous deal for Indy, especially if you're like me and feel that Tinsley is NOT going to lead the Pacers anywhere and you're just looking for a way to sell high on Tinsley.

ultimately i think we need to find a player that can be an elite scorer to put at the 2 or 3 (like reggie, jordan or pierce). thats the biggest thing that we're lacking -- someone who under any circumstances is willing to put the team on his back and put the game away. danny and mike are too passive and are inconsistent because they let the game come to them. if jim's system is ever going to work we need that. i don't really think of childress in that role. but agree that this would be a good deal for the pacers.

I'd also look to sell high on Dunleavy. He's playing very well, and might be coming into his own in this league, but a guy like Childress could really replace him pretty well and at a much lower cost. But I'm ok with keeping Dunleavy.

i really like the way that dunleavy has evolved this season but i agree that he may have reached his maximum value and that we should do a very un-pacer-like thing and sell high instead of missing the boat entirely.

Now, Murphy. I'd move him for anything close to an expiring right now.

unfortunately that would require mullin or bird becoming GMs elsewhere...

[Scoot McGroot]

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ultimately i think we need to find a player that can be an elite scorer to put at the 2 or 3 (like reggie, jordan or pierce). thats the biggest thing that we're lacking -- someone who under any circumstances is willing to put the team on his back and put the game away. danny and mike are too passive and are inconsistent because they let the game come to them. if jim's system is ever going to work we need that. i don't really think of childress in that role. but agree that this would be a good deal for the pacers.

See, I think a Kevin Martin is the type of player that would best serve us here in Indy, but we really don't have anything we can do to pick him up. We don't have much to offer Sacramento to give up the young scoring stud at SG.

[fdefore]

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See, I think a Kevin Martin is the type of player that would best serve us here in Indy, but we really don't have anything we can do to pick him up. We don't have much to offer Sacramento to give up the young scoring stud at SG.

well right. i guess my point was just about childress being a long-term answer.

[Scoot McGroot]

Sorry, I was just thinking on paper.


I agree, we need a scoring fiend somewhere on the roster. How we get one is tough, but we need one.



Either way, I think Childress could be a long-term solution at SG, or as 6th man.

[mizzoupacers]

We have a winner:

^Two words: CAP SPACE!!!

I don't think Childress is a long-term answer, at least not if the question is "Do you see him as a starter on a good NBA team?"

Childress, Pachulia, and Lue are all role players at best, unless your team is just not in a very good situation (like the Pacers).

I do think that for the right money, Childress and Zaza could fit in long-term as guys in our rotation. Pachulia has lost most of his minutes to Horford, but he's not a bad player. I wouldn't mind having him on our team.

Really, though, at this point I think the Pacers need to take any trade they can get for Tinsley that improves the payroll situation, even if we don't get much talent back. Time for the Pacers to cut their losses and start looking to the future. There is no future in keeping your money tied up in guys you don't want.

[old school pacer fan]

Why is EVERYBODY talking about getting rid of Tinsley's contract ?.

Tinsley is somewhat underpaid for a starting PG., now if you realy want to shed some cap space package Granger and Murphy for a exspiring and draft picks , or Dunleavy and Murphy, lol , no one in thier right mind { except Bird } is going to take the second pair, so replace Dunleavy with Granger and you might get a bite.

S Williams , given the minns and chance Granger gets will be much better.

We are not going nowhere with what we got , so play S Williams and get him up to speed. IMO, S Willaims will be better than both Granger and Dunleavy in time.

[count55]

Why is EVERYBODY talking about getting rid of Tinsley's contract ?.