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Once again I give my hopes up on Pacers and trade deadline

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Once again I give my hopes up on Pacers and trade deadline 

Post#1 » by fredjones20 » Thu Feb 21, 2008 8:14 pm

Once again, I seem to give my hopes up on the Pacers and the deadline. Granted I am posting this when a trade could be done but just hasnt gone through the league office yet, but with this day in age and the internet and espn specials its pretty sure to say that Pacers haven't made any moves or any big moves today.

I just can't seem to see why we are scared to pull triggers on trades. With the trades over the summer that seemed to be going on with the Lakers with JO, we should of done it. As much as I think JO is a good player, we are not going to get value for him I think now until 09/10 when his contract will be expiring. Even if we keep this team intact I hope we can get a good draft pick, being it does not look like we will make the playoffs and start this summer and really get rid of the pieces that seem to be holding us back(JO, Tinsley) It was interesting to hear on Mike and Mike this morning talking about how teams tend to do little trades on the deadline to set up for larger trades in the summer, well I dont see us doing that or even trying to make a move to improve the team.

With the attendance where it is, if I were the Simon's I would tell Bird try to bring in some names that will help not only the team, yet the franchise as a whole and bring basketball back to the state of Indiana(at least in the Pro sense of it)

Maybe I am just frustrated with the Pacers doing so well when growing up and just being horrible now. I watched the Cavs game last night and really couldnt stand to watch it after a while, with Murphy taking 3's (yea he hits some...but then misses more)

Maybe we need a time machine and go back to the Palace Brawl and have some fan take out that idiot who threw the cup at artest and ruined the pacer franchise (in my mind)
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Post#2 » by Grang33r » Thu Feb 21, 2008 8:35 pm

I look at it the positive way.

-We know there is demand for Jermaine O'Neal and one of the teams most interested has been Golden State who have ALOT to offer yet they are not. They never wanted to touch Brendon Wright or Marco Belinelli. If they just miss the playoffs or lose out in round one, it will make them that hungrier for a defensive guy like O'Neal because defense is the only thing holding them back from being an elite. I'm not surprised they didn't give us too much for JO because JO is hurt, if he gets hurt with GSW and they dealt 3 guys to get him, they'd be in a world of trouble.

-We know Bird is active. He was working the phones and despite Indy Star reporting that Dunleavy, Williams and Granger were "untouchables" but teams were calling, who knows, maybe their untouchable now, but in the summer Bird can re-visit the deal? It just seems like Bird is out there trying and making the calls.

-Foster has ALOT of value. He's one player i felt we should have dealt today but fillers and a first round pick. But, he does have value as ESPN reports and maybe Bird did want a 1st round pick and teams didn't offer it, can't hate on Bird for not pulling that trigger.

-We keep the same roster that keeps losing, but here's the kicker. We're pretty much guaranteed a top 10 pick (and im being nice, we could easily get a top 7). We can draft a nice player with our pick who can help us right away. Then, make the deals. O'Neal would bring in a ton of people. We can deal Diogu or Daniels, and maybe even decide to keep Foster. Who really knows.

I think we can make our deals in the summer time and on top of that have a high pick.

If we traded O'Neal for whoever (GS deal, NYK deal, Carter) we wouldn't be picking in the top 14....

I think Bird wants a top pick and he wanted to test the waters. I mean, i honestly can not blame one of the most active teams in the league at the deadline for not trying. We'll see what he does this summer but i expect a very active time for our club.
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Post#3 » by IndieRuso420 » Thu Feb 21, 2008 8:41 pm

None of this would have happened had the Pacers followed my advice a few years ago, trading Ron Artest after he won DPOY for Joe Johnson.
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Post#4 » by xxSnEaKyPxx » Thu Feb 21, 2008 9:48 pm

Well said Grang33r. Agreed 100%.
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Post#5 » by Edub » Thu Feb 21, 2008 10:07 pm

i'm just disappointed that we are going to be lottery bound this year... i'm can't accept that we didn't make a deal. it's silly.
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Post#6 » by PR07 » Thu Feb 21, 2008 10:11 pm

You don't make a deal for the sake of making a deal. We need to get JO and Tinsley healthy first and then go from there. It wouldn't hurt to get a really good player in the draft either, that's what I'm looking forward to at this point.
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Post#7 » by Charcoal Filtered » Thu Feb 21, 2008 10:34 pm

The biggest plus is that TPTB did not do anything stupid and I am thankful for that.
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Post#8 » by Pacersike » Thu Feb 21, 2008 11:04 pm

I agree. Better no deals than some hasty deal just to make some changes.
Get JO and tinsley healthy, then trade them. And give Diogu some minutes.
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Post#9 » by fredjones20 » Thu Feb 21, 2008 11:05 pm

i agree with the foster statement...that is always a plus to know that he is worth what he is
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Post#10 » by Scoot McGroot » Thu Feb 21, 2008 11:14 pm

We might have to wait out some of these contracts, but the beauty is that with the makeup of our roster, all of our players will essentially gain value every year we hold onto them.


All of a sudden, all those 4 year contract guys (Dunleavy, Murphy, Tinsley) will now be 3 year guys and a lot more palatable to the fiscally sensitive. Sure, their dollar amounts will increase, but the length will tremendously decrease. Knowing that you only have to live with Murphy for 2 and a half years instead of 3 and a half is a huge difference.

The only guys this might hurt is Jeff Foster. Sure, he's got a pretty good contract and has some value, but he might be viewed as a rental type player next year since he's expiring after next season, which could make it harder to get a young prospect or pick in return for him.


However, the more willing we are to live out some of our mistakes, the closer we get to rebuilding. We made our bed. Now we have to lie in it.
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Post#11 » by CableKC » Thu Feb 21, 2008 11:28 pm

Since my confidence in the Pacers FO is very low.....doing nothing doesn't surprise me. Since I'm not expecting anything to be done....I don't get disappoointed.

See....it's all a matter of perspective.....if you think TPTB are incapable of doing anything worthwhile.....when they do nothing...you can be relieved that they didn't do anything stupid in the first place.

BTW....I'm calling it now.....I think that if we miss the Playoffs this season that Bird is going to be replaced.
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Post#12 » by PR07 » Thu Feb 21, 2008 11:46 pm

I'm not sure we can really afford to lose Jeff Foster right now. He's really our only strong interior defender with JO out. We'd go from bad to league laughingstock. We aren't that good defensively as is. Plus, he's a fan favorite with a fan base that is already turned off. Every team needs a guy like Feisty.
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Post#13 » by CableKC » Thu Feb 21, 2008 11:50 pm

PacersRule07 wrote:I'm not sure we can really afford to lose Jeff Foster right now. He's really our only strong interior defender with JO out. We'd go from bad to league laughingstock. We aren't that good defensively as is. Plus, he's a fan favorite with a fan base that is already turned off. Every team needs a guy like Feisty.

I'm glad that we kept both Foster and Marquis. I want to use them as Expiring contracts before the 2008-2009 trade deadline so that we can at least have a chance to be involved in some major trade next season.
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Post#14 » by JarrettJackSG » Thu Feb 21, 2008 11:51 pm

Really happy that we did nothing after we found out we had to take Cardinal with Miller
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Post#15 » by cdash » Thu Feb 21, 2008 11:59 pm

I dont think Bird gets replaced if we dont make the playoffs. I dont think there is much hope that we do, and I'm likewise not sure if making the playoffs would even be a good thing. If we make it as the 8th seed, we end up costing ourselves 3-5 places in the draft, not to mention we get the pleasure of being ransacked by Boston or Detroit. Not sure what that solves. Its probably better that we dont make the playoffs.
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Post#16 » by CableKC » Fri Feb 22, 2008 12:05 am

cdash wrote:I dont think Bird gets replaced if we dont make the playoffs. I dont think there is much hope that we do, and I'm likewise not sure if making the playoffs would even be a good thing. If we make it as the 8th seed, we end up costing ourselves 3-5 places in the draft, not to mention we get the pleasure of being ransacked by Boston or Detroit. Not sure what that solves. Its probably better that we dont make the playoffs.

Tell this to TPTB. Remember.....TPTB mantra HAS ALWAYS been to "simply make the Playoffs". We may end up short and be out of the Playoff race by 2 or 3 games....but they will always try to make the Playoffs.

I can look at what we have accomplished over the last 4 seasons and wonder what can be done to fix it. Let's look at the evidence........the FO made a trade that have landlocked our ability to gain any financial flexibility for the next 3 seasons and have alienated many fans with the many questionable players that we have acquired/resigned in the last 4 seasons. The end result is that we are dead last in attendance.

Looking at this from a Business perspective....the last point is the most damning. Assuming that we aren't making as much $$$ as before....if I were the owner of a business that wasn't as profitable as before...I would probably consider cleaning house in the FO so that we can change whatever vision that we have for the immediate future since the current one doesn't seem to be working.
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Post#17 » by count55 » Fri Feb 22, 2008 12:06 am

Right, wrong, or indifferent, I actually think Bird's job is in absolutely no jeopardy for at least another year. I also think that, barring something bizarre like a full-fledged player revolt, that Jim O'Brien's job is safe for next year as well.

I believe they're going to see what happens this year (read: continue to try unsuccessfully to make the playoffs), then continue to try to deal JO and Tinsley, as well as perhaps Daniels and Diogu, in the offseason.

They'll take their high draft pick, and the come to Jesus will occur at the end of next season. If we still look like we look now, then the Simons will probably make a move.

I think, regardless of opinions around here, Bird's job is probably one of the safer jobs in the league.
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Post#18 » by fredjones20 » Fri Feb 22, 2008 12:22 am

I would think as well that bird is safe unless something unexpected were to come...but if they dont make the playoffs next year i would say he has to go

maybe we can get isiah?? (absolute joke)
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Post#19 » by CableKC » Fri Feb 22, 2008 12:29 am

count55 wrote:They'll take their high draft pick, and the come to Jesus will occur at the end of next season. If we still look like we look now, then the Simons will probably make a move.

You totally lost me here.......what are you trying to say here?
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Post#20 » by joew8302 » Fri Feb 22, 2008 1:05 am

I agree with you guys that Bird and O'Brien's job is safe, but I am not sure if that is a good thing. I certainly disagree with quite a few things Jim O'Brien has done in managing this team, but at the same token I don't think you can boot him after one year. Give him players that can play and see what he can do. If he underachieves then boot him. But booting the coach of a bad team for not winning solves nothing, and it will make the job less attractive to potential candidates than it already is.

Bird I have about had it with. I know he has his defenders on here that will back him to the end, but is it just a coincidence that when the amount of power he has goes up the win total goes down? I think not. Don't get me wrong, Ron Artest going bipolar didn't help and Jackson and Tinsley being Jackson and Tinsley hurts too. But man, someone has to pay for driving this team into the ground.

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