Come to Jesus: Simon plans meetings to retool team
Posted: Sat Mar 8, 2008 12:15 am
In a phone interview with Mike Wells, Herb Simon let it be known that he's taking a more active role in the team's situation:
Mike Wells wrote:
Posted: Sat Mar 8, 2008 2:28 am
I was listening to Mike on 1070 am after work, and he did make it seem Herb is ready to do whatever it will take,nice find count.
Posted: Sat Mar 8, 2008 2:32 am
Stolen with pride from PD. 
Posted: Sat Mar 8, 2008 5:14 pm
I may be wrong on this but i seem to recollect him saying just about the same thing year around his time.
Posted: Sat Mar 8, 2008 5:33 pm
No, I dont think that either of the Simons came out and said that last year. Bird did, IRC. I hope so, and it will be interesting to see to what extent they are willing to get rid of some of these players. Are we willing to take back bad contracts... Are we willing to "spend the money" to cut them or buy them out??
Posted: Sat Mar 8, 2008 5:43 pm
J.O. for short contracts and a lottery pick would be fine with me.
Tinsley for any expiring, a-ok in my book.
Quis expires at the end of next season, I suppose he can stick around one more year, or go with either of the two aforementioned players.
Harrison expires at the end of this season, he's gone. It's a shame, he has the physical tools to be a very valuable player.
Ike seems like a good guy, I have no problem with him sticking around, but if he's not in the teams future plans, you might as well try and move him for something, maybe packaged with our 2nd rounder to move into the 20's?
Shawne Williams, I'm torn on. He has too much talent to just give up on. I'm still wondering how much involvement he had in the incident involving the murderer. If he knew nothing about the murder warrant, I can't see how you can hold it against him.
Tinsley for any expiring, a-ok in my book.
Quis expires at the end of next season, I suppose he can stick around one more year, or go with either of the two aforementioned players.
Harrison expires at the end of this season, he's gone. It's a shame, he has the physical tools to be a very valuable player.
Ike seems like a good guy, I have no problem with him sticking around, but if he's not in the teams future plans, you might as well try and move him for something, maybe packaged with our 2nd rounder to move into the 20's?
Shawne Williams, I'm torn on. He has too much talent to just give up on. I'm still wondering how much involvement he had in the incident involving the murderer. If he knew nothing about the murder warrant, I can't see how you can hold it against him.
Posted: Sat Mar 8, 2008 6:01 pm
A no brainer, but I have looked at the teams that would be in the lotto this year, and none would want to make that deal, or dont have the salaries that would match up.Bucky O'Hare wrote:J.O. for short contracts and a lottery pick would be fine with me.
As it would in anyone's books. Similar contract would be acceptable as well.Tinsley for any expiring, a-ok in my book.
Yeah, he expires next season, but he has to go. If you are truly committed to "changing the atmosphere," He has to go as well. As part of a package or to a team at the deadline wanting to dump some salary. I personally would hold on to him until the deadline, when I really try to move him.Quis expires at the end of next season, I suppose he can stick around one more year, or go with either of the two aforementioned players.
Love Hulk, but he has to go. To many emotional problem. Just let him go and be done with it. No big disappointment really. How often to players picked with the last pick in the first round pan out?? Not to often I would imagine.Harrison expires at the end of this season, he's gone. It's a shame, he has the physical tools to be a very valuable player.
100% agree. If he is part of your plans, then freaking play the guy. If not, move him. It is at the point in his career, that he will be labeled, if not already, as a "bust". Move him while you still can if you dont want him, or get nothing for him.Ike seems like a good guy, I have no problem with him sticking around, but if he's not in the teams future plans, you might as well try and move him for something, maybe packaged with our 2nd rounder to move into the 20's?
Williams I move only if I can get back an equal talent. Other wise, I keep him on a short leash.Shawne Williams, I'm torn on. He has too much talent to just give up on. I'm still wondering how much involvement he had in the incident involving the murderer. If he knew nothing about the murder warrant, I can't see how you can hold it against him.
Posted: Sat Mar 8, 2008 6:19 pm
i have a newflash for everyone... **** is going down! i'm not suprised by th is. i have been expecting this for a long time. why do you think our roster is full of people who don't really deserve to be in the league.
it's going to be a firesale this offseason.
O'Neal, Harrison, Daniels and Tinsley are all gone. Bird and Walsh may be gone as well.
I hope we can get an expiring deal for O'Neal and a 1st round pick. How about we send him back to Portland for Lafrentz?
Harrison has been having these kind of melt downs since I was going to school with at Univ Of Colorado. He once lost it and started crying at a game because as he said "couldn't handle the pressure of having the basketball program on his shoulders" it's a shame. I wish he was more like his older brother DJ.
Daniels is injury prone and gets into trouble. I wonder if that is why Dallas was eager to part with him so cheaply.
Tinsley will be gone. Having a good season but can't stay healthy or out of trouble. I say trade him to the Nuggets. They could use him in their up-tempo style.
it's going to be a firesale this offseason.
O'Neal, Harrison, Daniels and Tinsley are all gone. Bird and Walsh may be gone as well.
I hope we can get an expiring deal for O'Neal and a 1st round pick. How about we send him back to Portland for Lafrentz?
Harrison has been having these kind of melt downs since I was going to school with at Univ Of Colorado. He once lost it and started crying at a game because as he said "couldn't handle the pressure of having the basketball program on his shoulders" it's a shame. I wish he was more like his older brother DJ.
Daniels is injury prone and gets into trouble. I wonder if that is why Dallas was eager to part with him so cheaply.
Tinsley will be gone. Having a good season but can't stay healthy or out of trouble. I say trade him to the Nuggets. They could use him in their up-tempo style.
Posted: Sat Mar 8, 2008 9:08 pm
Portland really doesn't need nor want JO. They will have Aldridge and Oden next year.
I'm fine with keeping JO. I know he will be at All-Star level next year. Him with the player Granger has become(not to mention he will get better in the off season) and we have a very nice 1-2 punch, we just need to build around that with our draft pick, hopefully 2 draft picks, and a small trade to tweak are roster.
We really aren't as bad as I think some people think we are.
I'm fine with keeping JO. I know he will be at All-Star level next year. Him with the player Granger has become(not to mention he will get better in the off season) and we have a very nice 1-2 punch, we just need to build around that with our draft pick, hopefully 2 draft picks, and a small trade to tweak are roster.
We really aren't as bad as I think some people think we are.
Posted: Sat Mar 8, 2008 10:39 pm
I am not convinced at all JO will ever play at an All Star level again. I think his body is wearing down. If we could move him and get cap relief I would be satisfied. That is a sad commentary about a once very good player, but it is what it is.
Tinsley just needs to go, he makes me sick.
If anyone is willing to give up much for Marquis or we need him involved to make a deal he is gone.
Hulk is pathetic and lazy. See ya.
Get rid of Ike for his sake. He can be productive, but O'Brien doesn't want to play him.
Tinsley just needs to go, he makes me sick.
If anyone is willing to give up much for Marquis or we need him involved to make a deal he is gone.
Hulk is pathetic and lazy. See ya.
Get rid of Ike for his sake. He can be productive, but O'Brien doesn't want to play him.
Posted: Sat Mar 8, 2008 11:01 pm
JO's trade value is very low in my opinion.
He's been hurt big time 3 out of the previous 4 seasons. The one season out of the four where he managed to earn his paycheck on the court he had a horrible season. He's strictly a jumpshooting big man. He will be 30 years old starting next season all that for the incredible price of $22 million for the next two seasons.
He might make sense in Washington, but even with JO's stock so low they have nothing to offer next season.
Denver would happily trade KMart or Nene or both and a first for him. Of course Indy wouldn't want those two injured players and their monster contracts.
Would you guys take Shaq for him? If Phoenix doesn't make the post-season or loses in the first round I'm sure they would gladly trade Shaq for him.
What a disappointment JO has been.
He's been hurt big time 3 out of the previous 4 seasons. The one season out of the four where he managed to earn his paycheck on the court he had a horrible season. He's strictly a jumpshooting big man. He will be 30 years old starting next season all that for the incredible price of $22 million for the next two seasons.
He might make sense in Washington, but even with JO's stock so low they have nothing to offer next season.
Denver would happily trade KMart or Nene or both and a first for him. Of course Indy wouldn't want those two injured players and their monster contracts.
Would you guys take Shaq for him? If Phoenix doesn't make the post-season or loses in the first round I'm sure they would gladly trade Shaq for him.
What a disappointment JO has been.
Posted: Sat Mar 8, 2008 11:20 pm
I'll say it again. JO's hunger is gone, therefore his conditioning is probably not where it should be for a 29 year old that should be in his prime.
If and when JO is traded, he'll work hard and re-establish himself, much like Pau did with the Lakers this year.
I think the big changes will have a much broader effect on our organization than just the roster. Walsh will be gone.
Next if we have a chance to rid ourselves of O'neal, Tins, Daniels, and after Harrison is gone, our team will be lead by Dunleavy and Granger. This would definitely be a welcoming change.
If and when JO is traded, he'll work hard and re-establish himself, much like Pau did with the Lakers this year.
I think the big changes will have a much broader effect on our organization than just the roster. Walsh will be gone.
Next if we have a chance to rid ourselves of O'neal, Tins, Daniels, and after Harrison is gone, our team will be lead by Dunleavy and Granger. This would definitely be a welcoming change.
Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 8:10 am
I was one of the people who said stick with JO last summer. Looks like I was wrong, his value is lower now than ever. Could we have gotten Bynum and Brown and 2 picks from the Lakers? Who knows, it is not worth the speculation the question is now, "Who would want him?" Or Jamaal?
I know this is not the trade thread, but looking at the possible trading partners I don't see much. Maybe NJ? Who else?
The Pacers should have sat JO last Janurary and got his knee fixed maybe he'd be able to play now, again who knows. JO is gonna have to show us and any other team that he has something left, no team is gonna want him if he can't play. And then the sad case of Jamaal, he was having a great season until his body gave out.
This season has been rough I've been out of the loop and just getting myself back up to speed, when I see all the moves made and we did nothing it's tough to take. Gasol, Wallace, Bibby and Kidd were all dealt and some good young players moved around. In the defense of TPTB it is pretty hard to trade guys that are injured.
This season has shown us a breakout yr for Granger and Dunleavy, Diener and Rush have been nice pickups, but the questions remain, JO and JT can't stay healthy, Daniels and Shawne can't seem to stay out of trouble. Changes must be made, I know that even if I was a billionaire like the Simons are, I'd resent paying some $70 million to this group of players.
Hopefully we can clean house and have that fire sale, get some draft picks, clear some cap space, get a youngster or 2 and keep Danny and Mike.
I know this is not the trade thread, but looking at the possible trading partners I don't see much. Maybe NJ? Who else?
The Pacers should have sat JO last Janurary and got his knee fixed maybe he'd be able to play now, again who knows. JO is gonna have to show us and any other team that he has something left, no team is gonna want him if he can't play. And then the sad case of Jamaal, he was having a great season until his body gave out.
This season has been rough I've been out of the loop and just getting myself back up to speed, when I see all the moves made and we did nothing it's tough to take. Gasol, Wallace, Bibby and Kidd were all dealt and some good young players moved around. In the defense of TPTB it is pretty hard to trade guys that are injured.
This season has shown us a breakout yr for Granger and Dunleavy, Diener and Rush have been nice pickups, but the questions remain, JO and JT can't stay healthy, Daniels and Shawne can't seem to stay out of trouble. Changes must be made, I know that even if I was a billionaire like the Simons are, I'd resent paying some $70 million to this group of players.
Hopefully we can clean house and have that fire sale, get some draft picks, clear some cap space, get a youngster or 2 and keep Danny and Mike.
Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2008 9:59 pm
Before we traded Ron, I suggested trading JO because it was clear the two couldn't coexist; leading me to believe it was one or the other. Recollect the value JO had back then.
Besides if you read between the lines of a comment made by JO earlier this season, he basicaly said we are asking too much for him. Since when did it become the players business in regards to his counter-package, unless he was in on the other sides negotiaitions. JO timed it when he came out about missing an extended portion of the season, right before the trade deadline.
JO's actions lead me to believe he personally destroyed his value this season. A big $#@% you, to the organization that got rid of his second father.
Besides if you read between the lines of a comment made by JO earlier this season, he basicaly said we are asking too much for him. Since when did it become the players business in regards to his counter-package, unless he was in on the other sides negotiaitions. JO timed it when he came out about missing an extended portion of the season, right before the trade deadline.
JO's actions lead me to believe he personally destroyed his value this season. A big $#@% you, to the organization that got rid of his second father.
Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 10:30 am
Boneman2 wrote:
JO timed it when he came out about missing an extended portion of the season, right before the trade deadline.
JO's actions lead me to believe he personally destroyed his value this season. A big $#@% you, to the organization that got rid of his second father.
I don't know if he did it on purpose or if he just doesn't know when to shut up. But if JO loves Thomas that much I bet we can deal him to the Knicks in the off season.
