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Post#1 » by count55 » Fri Apr 18, 2008 1:36 pm

Bill Simmons has identified some Pacers on his LVP.

Bill Simmons wrote:414. Jamaal Tinsley
Gave us an embarrassing off-court incident, a tantalizing fantasy stretch in November/December that was ultimately derailed by an injury, a February filled with "Indiana is actively trying to shop Tinsley but nobody wants to take his contract" stories and then a season-ending injury resulting in another year in which he missed more games than he played. In other words, it was just like every other Jamaal Tinsley season! We're one year away from the Pacers slipping an opiate into his Gatorade, waiting an hour, then forcing him to pee into a cup at gunpoint to get him off their cap.

372. Jermaine O'Neal
Ever since O'Neal punched out Turtle during the Artest Melee, he morphed into C-Webb 2.0. Check out his past four seasons: 122 missed games (and counting), declining stats each season and one of the most damaging contracts in the league. Is it too late to set him up with Tyra Banks? By the way, if you had to rank the most destructive moments to an NBA franchise in the past 30 years in terms of immediate damage and long-term ramifications, the Artest Melee ranks just below Lenny Bias' coke overdose and the Bowie/Jordan pick at this point.


The MVP's.

Bill Simmons wrote:33. Danny Granger
All right, imagine Toronto's team if the Raptors had just taken him over Joey Graham in 2005, which, by the way, WAS THE LOGICAL MOVE! Whoops, I just went all crazy TV analyst on you. My bad.
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Post#2 » by JarrettJackSG » Fri Apr 18, 2008 3:33 pm

why does everyone always forget Dunleavy...



64. Sam Dalembert, Mike Dunleavy Jr. (tie)
Any time two guys play themselves off the All-Overpaid Team in the same season, we have to commemorate the moment, right? You have to give Big Sam credit for being the only reliable rebounder/shotblocker on a playoff team that went 22-11 down the stretch. Meanwhile, check out Junior's numbers in '08: A 19-5-5 every game, coupled with 84 percent FT shooting, 48 percent FG shooting and 42 percent from 3-point territory, making him the official backup for Mike Miller as the "Token White Guy" on our 2008 Olympic team. I have to admit, I'm battling some flabbergastation about the whole thing. I can't be alone.
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Post#3 » by mizzoupacers » Fri Apr 18, 2008 4:05 pm

I kinda chuckled at the Tinsley paragraph.

Mike Wells had this interesting tidbit about Tinsley in his on-line column today:

Coach Jim O'Brien said point guard Jamaal Tinsley probably doesn't figure into the team's future on his radio show with Mark Boyle on Thursday night.


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To my knowledge, that's the first time anyone in the Pacers' organization has come right out and said something like that.

Of course the question is, how in hell are the Pacers going to get rid of Tinsley? Who will take a chronically injured pg with a lousy attitude and an obscenely long contract? I don't know how the Pacers are going to con another GM into taking him.

JO...what a depressing season for him. Can his trade value get any lower? No, I don't think it can. Might as well hang onto him for another season and see if somehow we can get the old JO back, although I've got to tell you, with his injury history and his rotten relationship with Bird, I don't hold out a lot of hope. Still, unless another team makes the Pacers a brain-dead offer this summer, the Pacers are probably better off just waiting another year until his trade value presumably increases as his contract enters its last year. Or even just waiting two years for his contract to expire, so that the team can use that to get out of salary-cap hell.
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Post#4 » by PR07 » Fri Apr 18, 2008 5:30 pm

Best news I've heard all day regarding Tinsley. It will be interesting to see what exactly we plan on doing with him though.
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Post#5 » by xxSnEaKyPxx » Fri Apr 18, 2008 5:56 pm

He is one of my favorite columnists, has anyone read his draft day blogs?
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Post#6 » by count55 » Fri Apr 18, 2008 7:01 pm

DGrangeRx33 wrote:He is one of my favorite columnists, has anyone read his draft day blogs?


He can be funny, as long as he's not talking about either Boston teams or the Colts. He's the biggest freaking cockeyed homer on the planet, and the whole Boston thing gets very tired.
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Post#7 » by pacers33granger » Fri Apr 18, 2008 7:08 pm

count55 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-



He can be funny, as long as he's not talking about either Boston teams or the Colts. He's the biggest freaking cockeyed homer on the planet, and the whole Boston thing gets very tired.


def is bad, but not tommy heinsohn bad. i was kinda annoyed that simmons decided that kg was the mvp over kobe and paul in that column.
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Post#8 » by count55 » Fri Apr 18, 2008 7:12 pm

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def is bad, but not tommy heinsohn bad. i was kinda annoyed that simmons decided that kg was the mvp over kobe and paul in that column.


True, but Heinsohn no longer has a national megaphone to shout through.
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Post#9 » by pacers33granger » Fri Apr 18, 2008 8:52 pm

thats true, which i was very glad to see. couldnt stand tommy and his homerism (i live in new england so i get all celts games)
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Post#10 » by Scoot McGroot » Fri Apr 18, 2008 10:37 pm

I think my only offseason hope is to move Tinsley for most anything. I'd also think we'd need to move either Murphy or JO, but not both.
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Post#11 » by xxSnEaKyPxx » Sat Apr 19, 2008 4:19 am

Scoot McGroot wrote:I think my only offseason hope is to move Tinsley for most anything. I'd also think we'd need to move either Murphy or JO, but not both.

I'd actually prefer to keep both. I think Murphy will be a great compliment to JO now that he has found his way in our offense.
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Post#12 » by ahartleyvu » Sat Apr 19, 2008 4:45 am

Isn't this the same guy who claimed that Reggie Miller wasn't a star?
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Post#13 » by cdash » Sat Apr 19, 2008 6:35 am

He said Reggie wasnt a superstar. Bill Simmons is fantastic. I dont necessarily agree with everything he says, and I do get a little annoyed with the Boston homerisms, but hes funny and actually thinks things through pretty logically.
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Post#14 » by PR07 » Sat Apr 19, 2008 7:05 am

Bill Simmons can be pretty humorous, but you have to take his actual analysis with a grain of salt.
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Post#15 » by ajizzle » Sat Apr 19, 2008 2:20 pm

Simmons is entertaining, to say the least... Just like Rome, Sam Smith, and Kravitz. I like to read their columns if only for a daily chuckle, but very sporatically agree w/ what they write.
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Post#16 » by Scoot McGroot » Sun Apr 20, 2008 6:20 pm

DGrangeRx33 wrote:-= original quote snipped =-


I'd actually prefer to keep both. I think Murphy will be a great compliment to JO now that he has found his way in our offense.



I tend to believe that Murphy only fits in the offense if JO's not there to take his playing time and touches. I really don't see a way for the two of them to co-exist.
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Post#17 » by PR07 » Sun Apr 20, 2008 8:07 pm

^I agree. In theory, they should be able to play well together...but Murphy has played his best basketball as a Pacer with Jermaine O'Neal out of the lineup.

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