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If the Pacers are willing to take throw out one more year and drop a lot of salary, heres a good trade:

Oneal and Murphy for Marbury and Rose http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade...radeid=4577262

Lets be honest, no ones taking Murphy without Oneal. Issue is that in NY it isnt Thomas running the show, its Walsh now

This could lead to another good pick in next year's draft. This year we're already going to get a pretty good pick at 10 or 11

This deal or similar has been discussed ad nauseum. The Knicks aren't going to take on salary like this. They may conceivably take JO based (a) the belief that he might get healthy & be effective and (b) his contract ends in the summer of Lebron. However, there's absolutely no way they take Murphy.

Plus, at this point, JO would not be a sweetener that would get any team to take Murph. Essentially, his market value is that of a guy with a bloated contract and serious health questions.

This HAS been discussed ad nauseam, and I still think that the only way the Knicks trade for O'Neal is if they can get rid of either Zach Randolph or Eddie Curry in the process.

I'd rather just keep O'Neal than take on either one of those two. At least JO only has two years left on his contract.

Mayyyybe if the Knicks gave us all kinds of sweeteners, starting with this summer's lottery pick, I'd be OK with either Randolph or Curry.

If the Knicks offered a deal centering on JO for Marbury, I'd probably be OK with that, since there's probably a good chance that the JO-Bird relationship has gone past the point of no return. But I'm not confident that the Knicks would offer us that.

Would Donnie Walsh really want Jermaine O'Neal? That is the question.

Would we really want Stephon Marbury?

A. We don't need a disgruntled player in the locker room

B. If we buy him out, that's a lot of money thrown down the drain, and I can't really see the Simons going for that.

I'd honestly rather have Jermaine for an extra season than Starbury.

I'd push the Knicks for Jermaine O'Neal, Jamaal Tinsley, Ike Diogu, and the #11 for Stephon Marbury, Eddy Curry, and the #5.

PacersRule07 wrote:Would we really want Stephon Marbury?

A. We don't need a disgruntled player in the locker room

B. If we buy him out, that's a lot of money thrown down the drain, and I can't really see the Simons going for that.

I'd honestly rather have Jermaine for an extra season than Starbury.

I'd push the Knicks for Jermaine O'Neal, Jamaal Tinsley, Ike Diogu, and the #11 for Stephon Marbury, Eddy Curry, and the #5.

I'd like to change Curry for M.Rose.

Curry is not a good defense player, and he may has some heart
problems.

Teams are terrified to trade for Curry; his contract is (I think) the only contract in the league that isnt insured...which means someone out there thought his heart issues were serious enough that they werent going to insure his contract. I'd just assume not deal with the Knickerbockers. I am in the camp that wants to keep JO and let him build up some value as opposed to giving him away for 20 cents on the dollar this summer.

There's a few non-insured contracts in the league. Quentin Richardson is another one, due to his back.


There are some questions as to whether or not Curry got his contract insured in the end. Nothing conclusive ever came out saying yes or no, but some Knicks fans like to point to a random article that came out right after Curry's first year in NY started where a writer in NY essentially hinted that the contract ended up getting insured (but also acknowledged that he had absolutely no concrete evidence or knowledge either way; it was just a gut feeling).

Curry is one year removed from a 19.5 and 7 season. He's 26 years old, and his contract isn't too bad. I haven't seen anything that makes me that worried about his heart issues. I'd be much more worried about someone like TJ Ford, whom several people on this board have wanted to bring in.

I think you'd have to do that trade. You get an interior presence to replace Jermaine in Curry, you get financial relief in dumping Tinsley and adding Marbury, and you get a higher draft to get a better shot at landing a star (and a franchise PG perhaps).

I dont like Curry, I'd rather not have him here. He may score near 20 per game, but the man hes guarding scores about 30 per game. He isnt a very good rebounder, he has to have X amount of shots or he sulks, his conditioning is questionable, etc. I think there are better JO deals out there that we could find.

I agree with cdash.

I don't think you can consider Eddy Curry as a smart rebuilding move. He is a black hole offensively that averages more turnovers than assists, blocks, and steals combined. He can't do anything defensively. He can play about 30-35 minutes a game at max, and has had serious work ethic issues, weight issues, and attitude issues. Sure, his contract is relatively affordable, but to me, he's an overall negative.

At least with a TJ Ford, you know it's going to take a serious knock to the floor to end his career. With Eddy Curry, you just never know. His heart could go at any moment with no warning. To me, that's a much bigger issue. Add in that Ford's contract is insured while Curry's likely isn't.

I'll agree to disagree, I consider Curry one of the better centers in this league. Certainly, more talented than anyone we've had at that spot for a while. Yes, there are motivation and conditioning issues. However, this trade isn't about just adding Curry, we basically trade JO and the #11 for Starbury and the #5; and then Tinsley and Ike for Eddy Curry. I don't know about you, but I'd make both of those trades, especially the latter.

As for Ford's injury history, he takes a big hit every year! Ever year we hear, "TJ Ford's Career in Jeapordy". I don't really see how one can really prefer his medical history to Curry. Maybe Curry is a ticking timebomb, but I haven't seen or heard of him having any problems.

Honestly, all kidding aside, I think Jeff Foster benefits a team more than Eddy Curry.

Eddy Curry's greatest asset is his ability to score at the C position-- outside of that, he is an average defender and a below average rebounder.

I don't know if we should go for the previous listed deal, though-- ironically enough, a healthy JO would be a perfect complement to Curry's game.

Indydave wrote:Eddy Curry's greatest asset is his ability to score at the C position-- outside of that, he is an average defender and a below average rebounder.

I don't know if we should go for the previous listed deal, though-- ironically enough, a healthy JO would be a perfect complement to Curry's game.

Saying that Curry is an average defender is mighty generous. There is a reason why Dunleavy has career nights whenever we play the Knicks. The only thing that Curry is very good at is scoring in the Low-Post. He needs a rebounding/shotblocking/solid help Defender Big Man to play next to. Honestly, he would do very well if he was paired with a PF/C that can complement all the things that he does not do. All DW has to do is pair him with a Center like Diop, Dampier or even Foyle and his deficiencies would be masked.

DannyGranger wrote:If the Pacers are willing to take throw out one more year and drop a lot of salary, heres a good trade:

Oneal and Murphy for Marbury and Rose http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade...radeid=4577262

Lets be honest, no ones taking Murphy without Oneal. Issue is that in NY it isnt Thomas running the show, its Walsh now

This could lead to another good pick in next year's draft. This year we're already going to get a pretty good pick at 10 or 11

I'm a spy for the knicks. We wouldn't make that trade. Oneal good days are gone. We'd only do a Zach for O'Neal swap.