What is Danny Granger worth? ($$$ not trade)

[Jsun947]

I'm a Portland fan and we all know Kevin Prichard is a HUGE Danny Granger fan. Granger just happens to be a RFA when Portland will have approx 25-30 million dollars in cap space for the 2009/2010 season. Portland could offer Danny Granger a contract but of course Indiana could match it to keep Granger.

How much would Portland have to offer Danny Granger for Indiana to NOT match? How much money is he worth to you guys?

[Devilzsidewalk]

> 12 mil annual

[Grang33r]

In all honestly, once the draft gets over with, i think Larry Bird will focus on re-signing Granger long term and we might even see a deal by the start of the season. Granger loves the community and now is pretty much given the team to him, as the leader and as the star. I don't see Granger rejecting offers or asking for Lebron money to stay, i think he will give an offer to the Pacers, Bird will counter, then they will get a bit closer and then sign the dotted line.

I'd imagine i'd be a 6-7 year deal worth in the $75 million range.

[Jsun947]

In all honestly, once the draft gets over with, i think Larry Bird will focus on re-signing Granger long term and we might even see a deal by the start of the season. Granger loves the community and now is pretty much given the team to him, as the leader and as the star. I don't see Granger rejecting offers or asking for Lebron money to stay, i think he will give an offer to the Pacers, Bird will counter, then they will get a bit closer and then sign the dotted line.

I'd imagine i'd be a 6-7 year deal worth in the $75 million range.

Ummm... 7 year contracts extentions don't exist...

"Rookie scale contracts may be extended for up to five seasons beyond the player's last option season, bringing the total contract length to six seasons. All other extensions are limited to five seasons, including the seasons remaining on the current contract. For example, a contract with two seasons remaining may be extended for up to three additional seasons." Via Larry Coon.

More then likely when talking about an extention you are speaking about a 5 year span. (Dwight Howard's is 13 mil, 14.4 mil, 15.8 mil, 17.1 mil, and 18.5 mil for a total of approx 79 million over 5 years)

[Granger da OG]

I could definetly see him getting 12 per.

[Jsun947]

12 per meaning 60 over 5 years or 12 per meaning starting at 12 with 10% raises?

starting at 12
12, 13.2, 14.4, 15.6, 16.8 = 72 mil over 5 years
total of 60
10, 11, 12, 13, 14 = 60 mil over 5 years

Which one?

[PR07]

I can't envision us not matching.

[Scoot McGroot]

Essentially, you're not going to pay more than Indy would be willing to match. The maximum you could offer him is probably not more than we'd be willing to give him as well.


Not saying he's a maximum salary player, but you guys aren't likely to give him a maximum salary as well with Oden, Aldridge, and Roy all likely to get huge money deals, as well as the fact you'd have to get rid of guys you like like Webster, Outlaw, Blake, Jack, Frye, and Sergio, and you'd still have Przybilla on the roster.


Portland isn't going to throw a maximum contract at him, or else they're saying they'd rather have Granger than either Roy, Aldridge, or Oden, and if that's the case, give them to us and we'll give you Granger.



As for what Granger will likely get? I'm looking at Tayshaun Prince and Gerald Wallace and their contracts more so than Richard Jefferson and his deal. Tayshaun got 5 years and $48 million. Gerald Wallace got 6 years and $57 million. Josh Howard got 4 years and $40 million. I highly doubt anyone would repeat a Richard Jefferson and give him a contract like Richard Jefferson's 6 year $76 million deal.

[old school pacer fan]

Essentially, you're not going to pay more than Indy would be willing to match. The maximum you could offer him is probably not more than we'd be willing to give him as well.


Not saying he's a maximum salary player, but you guys aren't likely to give him a maximum salary as well with Oden, Aldridge, and Roy all likely to get huge money deals, as well as the fact you'd have to get rid of guys you like like Webster, Outlaw, Blake, Jack, Frye, and Sergio, and you'd still have Przybilla on the roster.


Portland isn't going to throw a maximum contract at him, or else they're saying they'd rather have Granger than either Roy, Aldridge, or Oden, and if that's the case, give them to us and we'll give you Granger.



As for what Granger will likely get? I'm looking at Tayshaun Prince and Gerald Wallace and their contracts more so than Richard Jefferson and his deal. Tayshaun got 5 years and $48 million. Gerald Wallace got 6 years and $57 million. Josh Howard got 4 years and $40 million. I highly doubt anyone would repeat a Richard Jefferson and give him a contract like Richard Jefferson's 6 year $76 million deal.

The voice of reason. tru dat Scoot


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[xxSnEaKyPxx]

Pacers are keeping Granger at all costs.

[Jsun947]

I'm thinking based on the following facts

*We can be up to 30 million under the salary cap in 09/10
*Paul Allen doesn't give us a rats ass about luxory tax as long as we are winning.
*Granger could be the final piece to a championship puzzle with whoever we get at PG, Roy, Aldridge, and Oden.
*Roy, Aldridge, and Oden are all team first guys anyway. It doesn't mean that they won't get relatively the same contracts.

Teams Core Player salaries next year
Boston is paying its big 3 a total of over 60 million
San Antonio is paying its big 3 a total of 52 million
Lakers are paying its big 3 a toal 51 million
Detroit is paying its big 4 a total of 45 million
Phoenix is paying their big 3 a total of 47 million
Houston is paying its big 2 a total of 36.1 million
After Deron Williams extention Utah will end up paying its big 4 about 50 million in 09/10.
Same with NO and Chris Paul

I don't see why it wouldn't make sense for Portland to spend about 50-60 mil a year on its starting 5 in 3-4 years.

[Scoot McGroot]

I don't see why it wouldn't make sense for Portland to spend about 50-60 mil a year on its starting 5 in 3-4 years.

Well, you'd be closer to spending about $62 million or more just on Granger, Oden, Aldridge, and Roy, meaning there's almost no way you'd be able to add anyone else to the roster.


Paul Allen already went that route of paying $100 million or so in salaries, and all it lead to was no championships and giving up the best young prospect you had in years (JO) for an expensive, already fully-developed 10/10 PF in Dale Davis.

I doubt he's too excited to do it again.



Yes, you guys are going to have salary cap space, but if it's going to cost us $13.5 million to keep Granger, it very well might be worth it. Portland can't offer more money than Indy, nor can they offer him more years than Indy. I highly doubt Indy's going to play hardball with Granger if we're offering $9 million and he wants $10 million. We're pretty flexible with him.

[Jsun947]

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Well, you'd be closer to spending about $62 million or more just on Granger, Oden, Aldridge, and Roy, meaning there's almost no way you'd be able to add anyone else to the roster.


Paul Allen already went that route of paying $100 million or so in salaries, and all it lead to was no championships and giving up the best young prospect you had in years (JO) for an expensive, already fully-developed 10/10 PF in Dale Davis.

I doubt he's too excited to do it again.



Yes, you guys are going to have salary cap space, but if it's going to cost us $13.5 million to keep Granger, it very well might be worth it. Portland can't offer more money than Indy, nor can they offer him more years than Indy. I highly doubt Indy's going to play hardball with Granger if we're offering $9 million and he wants $10 million. We're pretty flexible with him.

That was a very different situation back then. They spent over $100 on washed up about over the hill guys. Thats different then spending 60 million on 4 guys who are all between 21-26 years old and together for the next 5+ years especially when the current good teams will be rebuilding (SA, Dallas, Phoenix, Boston, Detroit, etc).

13.5 million with a 10% increase is maximum money for Granger. Its the same pay that Dwight Howard, Lebron James, Dwayne Wade, etc got. Do you really think Indiana would pay him that much money?

[Scoot McGroot]

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That was a very different situation back then. They spent over $100 on washed up about over the hill guys. Thats different then spending 60 million on 4 guys who are all between 21-26 years old and together for the next 5+ years especially when the current good teams will be rebuilding (SA, Dallas, Phoenix, Boston, Detroit, etc).

13.5 million with a 10% increase is maximum money for Granger. Its the same pay that Dwight Howard, Lebron James, Dwayne Wade, etc got. Do you really think Indiana would pay him that much money?

If it was a matter of letting him go for absolutely nothing and essentially cutting only the $2.4 million of salary from the year before off the cap, it'd be better to pay him that money and make other moves.

Besides, you guys wouldn't offer him a maximum deal unless he improves vastly again this year, at which point we'd be MORE than willing to give him the maximum deal.


Seriously, Granger's valuable enough to us to keep him no matter what the cost. If he signs a maximum salary contract with you, we'll match it and then if we need to, trade him later to save the money and make up the value in him. If you offer him less than a maximum deal, we'll match it, keep him, and thank you for doing the negotiating for us.

[xxSnEaKyPxx]

How much would it take for us to steal Aldridge from ya'll when hes a FA?

[PR07]

Plus, Blazers have potential max contracts to Brandon Roy, Aldridge, and presumably Greg Oden that they will have to worry about in the not too distant future.

[Scoot McGroot]

Jsun is claiming that the Blazers would give Granger a max deal and then sign Oden, Roy, and Aldridge all to max deals, and that they'd then find ways to get enough players to fill out the roster and gladly pay the luxury tax for the next 5-7 years.

[PR07]

Yeah, that's not going to happen.

It's rare that a team with more than 3 MAX players can be able to compete (the Celtics). Once you get 4 players with max contracts, it's nearly impossible to have any depth without having serious luxury tax hell. The Celtics have been able to do this because their starting PG is on his rookie contract, and they were able to sign a lot of vets for cheap. I wouldn't exactly call their depth great either.

Are the Blazers going to let guys like Jarrett Jack, Martell Webster, Travis Outlaw, Sergio Rodriguez, Channing Frye, etc. simply walk? A lot of these guys are going to want to play for contracts at least in the 5-10 million annual contract range I'd imagine. It's not difficult to do the math.

[Grang33r]

I'm thinking based on the following facts

*We can be up to 30 million under the salary cap in 09/10
*Paul Allen doesn't give us a rats ass about luxory tax as long as we are winning.
*Granger could be the final piece to a championship puzzle with whoever we get at PG, Roy, Aldridge, and Oden.
*Roy, Aldridge, and Oden are all team first guys anyway. It doesn't mean that they won't get relatively the same contracts.

I don't want to make this into a bigger comment, but, "final peice" to a championship team? Greg Oden hasn't played a single game in over a year. Portland wasn't even close to reaching the 9th spot in the West this season. They still have a ways to go. Granger won't fill the need at PG, depth and the hustle players you just need to win.

[cdash]

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